Rebels find the Federation first.

[Batman]

Remember the rebel base at dantooine?

You mean the one that was hours away from the REST of the Star Wars galaxy and its resources?

How about a Rebel base in some random Milky Way galaxy planet?
Hey, they can even mine for raw materials and set up infrastructure.

Because naturally the Rebellion finding the wormhole means they'll a)have access to in the first place and b) automatically send through a full force colony expedition kitted out to make use of said materials.

[glass]

I've read a lot about how the Empire would spank Star trek like a red haired bastard step child but what if the Rebels found the wormhole first?

Maybe they did? It would explain why the Empire was waiting for the rebels to come to them in RotJ, rather than actively searching for them.

OTOH, 'Palpatine was a pillock' also explains it quite nicely and is more parsimonious.


glass.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

The trouble with going to the Fed universe is that the Rebels still have to start from scratch. Sure they have more raw materials now, but they have to build everything. I doubt the Feds have anything that hte Rebels can use on the fly to build the stuff they use like hull armour and what not.

Cloaking devices in Star Trek might be too inefficient for Rebel use. Reactor power for Star Wars vessels are many orders of magnitude greater and cloaks in Star Trek have if I'm not wrong a power draw that is akin to some exponential factor.

Otherwise, the Federation perhaps gets to have a corvette or a frigate for defence.

[PayBack]

Would not the rebels have access to (SW) rapid fabrication technology also? And if so wouldn't that mean raw materials are of greater value than they otherwise would be?

[Batman]

Would not the rebels have access to (SW) rapid fabrication technology also? And if so wouldn't that mean raw materials are of greater value than they otherwise would be?

Why would they?

[PayBack]

Because AFAIK you can use raw materials in rapid fabricators to make things up to and including death stars. Which I would have thought meant you could also make ships in a fairly short time span. You can't without rapid fabricators, and thus the raw materials are of little use short term.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Are you refering to the Star Wars equivalent of a Replicator which the Empire most notably used in the World Devastators?

If I recall, certain minerals like Phrik were still mined regardless either for cost or something. The Star Wars economy pretty much rests on droids doing most of the work.

[Ritterin Sophia]

If I recall, certain minerals like Phrik were still mined regardless either for cost or something. The Star Wars economy pretty much rests on droids doing most of the work.

Yeah, I sorta remember an industrial planet worked by droids with only a single human to monitor things, most of it was controlled by Artificial Intelligence.

[PayBack]

Are you refering to the Star Wars equivalent of a Replicator which the Empire most notably used in the World Devastators?

If I recall, certain minerals like Phrik were still mined regardless either for cost or something. The Star Wars economy pretty much rests on droids doing most of the work.

Yeah that's pretty much what I meant by raw materials though.

[Batman]

I reiterate my question-the Rebels, especially those in the AQ, would have access to those why?

[Ted C]

Assuming that duplicators are sufficient to help kick start the building of infrastructure in another galaxy, the Rebel Alliance might find it useful to establish a base in the Milky Way that would serve as a sort of long-term back-up plan. It would take years for this base to amount to anything compared to the resources available in the Alliances holdings in Imperial territory, but it would still have some value as a safe retreat.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

I reiterate my question-the Rebels, especially those in the AQ, would have access to those why?

Considering how industrialised the galaxy is and the fact the Rebels have access to Mon Calamari and in the latter years Sullust, both worlds of which notably have entire industries that are capable of supporting the shipyards there, there stands a chance the Rebels have access to such devices. Sorosuub is one of the big industrial conglomerates in the Galaxy, though not exactly the largest. One would expect that duplicators are in widespread use.

Or the REbels could always raid some Imperial Depot to get it.

[PayBack]

I reiterate my question-the Rebels, especially those in the AQ, would have access to those why?

Sorry your question was ambiguous, I thought you were asking why the raw materials would be otherwise more useful.

As to why they'd have access to to rapid fabrication technology, I didn't think it was that rare considering it's use to build cities.

[Batman]

I reiterate my question-the Rebels, especially those in the AQ, would have access to those why?

Sorry your question was ambiguous, I thought you were asking why the raw materials would be otherwise more useful.

Oh, raw materials WOULD be useful-if the Rebels could make use of them in a timeframe to matter.

As to why they'd have access to to rapid fabrication technology, I didn't think it was that rare considering it's use to build cities.

Which means the Rebels
a) have them handy,
b) they happen to be the scale you need to industrialize a barren planet, and
c) are in a position to be sent to the AQ
why?
The Rebels no doubt have the THEORETICAL capability to do so. To establish such capabilities in the AQ even ignoring the OP condition of there being one transport is going to take a loooot of time.

[PayBack]

I'm not sure why having them handy is an issue? Hyperdrive means most things can be made handy in short order.

Also AFAIK they only tend to be used on a larger scale. Though my not being aware of small replicators doesn't mean they don't exist. Also I would have thought most rebel resources would be mobile out of neccesity.

Why is there only one transport?

[Batman]

I'm not sure why having them handy is an issue? Hyperdrive means most things can be made handy in short order.

IF the Rebel Alliance can lay their hands on them,

Also AFAIK they only tend to be used on a larger scale. Though my not being aware of small replicators doesn't mean they don't exist. Also I would have thought most rebel resources would be mobile out of neccesity.

limiting the base resources they got in the AQ.

Why is there only one transport?

because the OP says so.

[PayBack]

IF the Rebel Alliance can lay their hands on them,

I wish you wouldn't go round in circles, saying they'd need them handy pretty much works on the assumption on them having them. If someone asked me if I had some cigarettes, I wouldn't say I don't have them handy if I didn't have any at all.

limiting the base resources they got in the AQ.

And? I was suggesting that having rapid fabricators would make raw materiels more useful. I'm not sure how the above statement is relevant.

because the OP says so.

Yes the wormhole is found by a single transport, I didn't realise no more than one could make use of it.

[Batman]

IF the Rebel Alliance can lay their hands on them,

I wish you wouldn't go round in circles, saying they'd need them handy pretty much works on the assumption on them having them.

Which is an ASSUMPTION. Do we know they CAN lay their hands on them?

limiting the base resources they got in the AQ.

And? I was suggesting that having rapid fabricators would make raw materiels more useful. I'm not sure how the above statement is relevant.

On hindisght, neither am I.

because the OP says so.

Yes the wormhole is found by a single transport, I didn't realise no more than one could make use of it.

That's because apparently that's not what the OP says. I was under the impression that only that one transport makes it across but upon rereading the OP that does not appear to be the case.

[Coalition]

I'd expect the Rebellion comes in, looks around, and leaves when they realize they can't hope to get any useful materials in the amount of time likely available. (while starting a whole host of galactic legends about duplicate ships being in far apart regions in farily short time - hyperdrive, indestructible freighters - shielding, and demigods with the power of annihilation at their command - turbolaser 'oops')

Which means they have to turn to another source; such as semi-legal galactic corporations. The Rebellion sells the coordinates to the wormhole to a galactic corporation in exchange for Empire credits and useful materials, and the corporations gets a brand new galaxy to expand into, as a monopoly. Their semi-legal status means they don't want the Empire sniffing around anyway, so they will keep the secret.


The other option is that the ST galaxy becomes a refuge for escapists who want to leave the Empire behind, and find somewhere to hide. No need to constantly avoid Imperial sweeps, just settle down.

[PayBack]

Which is an ASSUMPTION. Do we know they CAN lay their hands on them?

No we don't, hence the ? in my original QUESTION. "Would not the rebels have access to (SW) rapid fabrication technology also?"

[Batman]

Which is an ASSUMPTION. Do we know they CAN lay their hands on them?

No we don't, hence the ? in my original QUESTION. "Would not the rebels have access to (SW) rapid fabrication technology also?"

Not the same thing. The Rebels inevitably have THEORETICAL access to it, what with it being all over the galaxy. That doesn't necessarily mean they can get HOLD of it, and/or in the numbers/amounts to matter for any timeframe worth speculating about.

[PayBack]

Hmmmm seems a bit like semantics to me... I'd have thought it fairly obvious when asking if they had access to it, that I meant, can they get hold of it in numbers/amounts that matter. Otherwise the question would have been pointless.

Anyway.. that still leaves what, 3+ years to obtain, transport it and put it to use. And before you start, I'm not claiming it's doable, it's only a point to consider.

[Batman]

Well as this thread is about what the Rebels would be able to do with the Alpha Quadrant once they run across it the base assumption is it's about what would they be able to do with it given the resources the actually have, or can realistically be extrapolated to have access to. NOT what they would THEORETICALLY be able to do IF etc.

[PayBack]

Well as this thread is about what the Rebels would be able to do with the Alpha Quadrant once they run across it the base assumption is it's about what would they be able to do with it given the resources the actually have, or can realistically be extrapolated to have access to. NOT what they would THEORETICALLY be able to do IF etc.

OMG What are you, a fucking policeman? IIRC It was said in this thread that about the only thing the feds could supply is raw materials. I asked two simple questions. Wouldn't the rebels have access to rapid fabricators (I meant actually get their hand on them and use them in the AQ), and if so wouldn't that make raw materials more useful than they otherwise would be. Thus making the aforementioned raw materials not as useless as they first seemed.

IT'S ONLY THEORETICAL UNTILL SOMEONE ANSWERS MY FUCKING QUESTION. Are you desperate for attention or something?

If the answer to my first question is no, then the point ends. If it's yes then it's worth taking into account. Sorry I'll read the rules again as I missed the one stating all posts have to be approved by Batman.

[Edward Yee]

Perfectly fair to bring up these theoreticals -- if some of them are really out of bounds, the OP can refine the criteria to exclude them.

My "what happens next" would be that there's no difference on SW's end if Leia's (even temporary, since the wormhole can be presumed two-way) absence doesn't affect the post-ANH timeline enough to change the outcomes of Hoth and Endor.