Would you kill a fellow SD.net member?

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Post by KrauserKrauser »

Sorry everybody, but if it was a choice between my survival and yours? I know myself alot better than I know anyone else here, so i win out in that contest.

I'll feel the remorse and horror afterwards, as long as I get to have the afterwards.
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First, I doubt it will matter to any of us that the people we are killing are other SD.Net members anymore than if it was randomly selected people.

Second, yes, there is at least one active/semi-active white supremacist on the board, but he doesn't ever post openly about it.

Moral and ethical justifications for deciding who lives are awesome, but if I was sent into Battle Royale my sense of self-preservation would kick in and I'd wait in ambush to get akilling. Besides, there are plenty of members who both a. are also willing to kill, and b. have experience with weapons, so I'd probably die anyway.
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petesampras wrote:
Pablo Sanchez wrote:There's several people on the board who probably deserve to die. Not naming any names.
You have decided that some people deserve to die from interacting with them on an internet discussion forum - the primary purpose of which is to argue about sci-fi !?!

That is f***ing scary, dude.....
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I would get as many people together as I could and attempt to defeat the system. They'd blow up my head but I'd probably die anyway and at least that way I could die knowing I'd not killed those who didn't deserve to die (as anyone who'd organize such a thing and who might therefore be in the line of fire would).
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Actually - in a corollary to my previous post, I don't care quite as much about whether I survive or not as I do that whoever DOES 'win' and survive the ghastly affair does their very damn best to prevent it from happening to any other people. Ever.
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No, I won't kill. I'm sorry, but the people who put the collar on me will have to deal with the semi-disappointing result of me just keeling over dead.

No one here deserves death. I don't care if they're racist, homophobe, white supremecist trash with delusions of global genocide. Unless they actually go through with their delusions, or actively attempt to go through with their delusions, no one here deserves to die merely on the basis of their feelings and/or opinions.

Unless someone's directly attacking me (which, sadly, is entirely a possibility in this scenario), I will make no move whatsoever to hunt down and kill another.

Yes, everyone's saying that "Oh, in a life or death situation, you'll think differently." No, I won't. It's just a goddamn collar around my neck, and even if I mentally comprehend that that collar will kill me if I don't kill, my body/self-preservation instinct simply won't take just collar around my neck as a threat to my life. Someone trying to bash my head in with a rock, yes, that I'll react to because that is quite unambiguously threatening. But a collar? No.

I won't kill, and in the end, I'll most likely die from the collar.
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Interesting that some people here value the life of some internet people higher than their own.
Personally i don´t.
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Is there any particular reason you decided that this scenario would involve SD.net members?
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wolveraptor wrote:Is there any particular reason you decided that this scenario would involve SD.net members?
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Probably so that we'd have some personal interest in it? I dunno.

Personally, I would kill to survive. Then I'd spend the rest of my life getting over it, probably.
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I would hide out and kill the last guy
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So, all things being equal, my odds of survival are 4000:1. However, my odds are significantly less than that, given a) I have no combat or weapons training, while many members do; and b) if I don't score kills often enough, I die anyway.

Fuck it, I'm a dead man anyway; why bother killing anyone? I think I'll go find a nice quiet hole to die in. I'd offer a free kill, but I don't trust Random SDnetter #2157 to score a clean hit.
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I wouldn't go out on a killing spree unless those others were trying to kill me (such as a group of people deciding that I don't deserve to live because I'm young and don't have dependants and the other stuff that comes with age). What I would do is either wait out and let everyone else die (I am young, extremely healthy moreso than most, I'd gamble me outliving people just by dealing with the element) but someone or a group of people probably will start killing other people in which case I will have to defend myself.
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I wouldn't go out on a killing spree unless those others were trying to kill me (such as a group of people deciding that I don't deserve to live because I'm young and don't have dependants and the other stuff that comes with age). What I would do is either wait out and let everyone else die (I am young, extremely healthy moreso than most, I'd gamble me outliving people just by dealing with the element) but someone or a group of people probably will start killing other people in which case I will have to defend myself.
I wouldn't say you deseve to die at all. That has a different connotation. It would be unfortunate for any of most to die. Would you say that all people are of equal moral consideration, regardless of the circumstances?

Is the only doctor in an African village of equal moral worth to the town drunk? Is the MOther of five, who, without her care, would die, of equal moral consideration to the town drunk?

It's not that you deserve to die at all. It's that a lot of dependents equal a lot more suffering if that person bites it. It's a natural conclusion from Utilitarian principles that you ought to act such that you minimize the net harm and suffering. If you have no choice but to kill someone, you shouldn't kill the person who, by killing him, would end up resulting in mor suffering.
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I honestly don't know. Do we have any idea how long a "no kill" period is before the collar kills the wearer? I presume we can't get away with shooting in someone's general direction but missing them on purpose.
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Darth Servo wrote:I honestly don't know. Do we have any idea how long a "no kill" period is before the collar kills the wearer? I presume we can't get away with shooting in someone's general direction but missing them on purpose.
I think we're just supposed to think of these collars as magical - in that they "just know" when we've killed someone, and they can kill their wearer in an indefensible way. I don't think we're supposed to be able to cheat the system anyway - it removes whatever point this hypothetical had in the first place.
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Magus wrote:
Darth Servo wrote:I honestly don't know. Do we have any idea how long a "no kill" period is before the collar kills the wearer? I presume we can't get away with shooting in someone's general direction but missing them on purpose.
I think we're just supposed to think of these collars as magical - in that they "just know" when we've killed someone, and they can kill their wearer in an indefensible way. I don't think we're supposed to be able to cheat the system anyway - it removes whatever point this hypothetical had in the first place.
Well, in Battle Royale doesn't one of the characters have the necessary expertise to disable the collars?
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Short answer to the OP.


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petesampras wrote:
I've no idea who patkelly is. Are you saying there are active white supremacist members on this board? The quote - "people on the board" - to me implies active members, rather than some trolls who showed up a while ago and got banned. Most of the heated debate I see is about sci-fi. If you think someone deserves to die because they don't believe the death star blew up Alderan, or something like that, that is f***ing scary.
Well, the OP specifically mentioned everyone. If I'm not mistaken banned members are still apart of the board population count because their accounts are not deleted.

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Die. Battle Royale is a fucked up dose of mental damage. A person who survived this would anyway be mentally damaged to the extent probably equal to the most gruesome psychotic post-war syndromes.
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Lord of the Abyss wrote:anything but make sure my death is fast ( who knows how those collars kill ? ).
Assuming it's the same mechanism as the movie? It blows a great big hole in your neck and carotid artery.
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Magus wrote:What would occur if nobody killed anybody? Would we all just fall over dead the same instant?
Ghetto edit since I noticed this:

If nobody killed anyone then all the collars would go off and everyone dies.

IIRC:

1.) If you try to remove the collar, it goes off.
2.) If you try to leave the island or move through an out of bounds zone, it goes off.
3.) If more than one person is left when the time limit runs out, all the remaining collars go off.
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SylasGaunt, thanks for helping me explain that. The reason I think of putting SD.net members into this kind of scenario is mainly because I heard someone posted about emo-teen doing all kinds of stupid stuff in the movie.

This is also a morality question, when you are forced to kill so you can live, will you do it? Would you forsaken your morality and commit an act of murder, just to save yourself?

This is a question in which we are faced with challenge our belief. Are you willing to commit suicide to avoid yourself in this madness, or would you enjoy this ‘game’?

In the movie, this scenario is even worst. The people are faced with decision to murder their classmates or friends very dear to them. Sure, there are some seriously messed up people who are willing to kill and enjoy it. Others just want to live on.

Which is more important to you? Your life or your belief?


Sure, we got people here who may laugh at things people do to protect their belief, and wish to challenge them that.

What happens when your own belief is challenged? Human instinct to simply survive, or your morality to ensure you did not take away another human life, any one at all? Who is willing to sacrifice his own life for his belief?

What happens when you are FORCED to kill someone you loved? (Think this may apply to sir nitram and lady tevar. No offense intended.) Will you take your life together? Or kill yourself so that the person you loved and is very dear to you live?

Also, some board members are VERY close friends with each other, would you kill them for your own sake?

Sure, many here did not believe in life after death, but when you are faced with the death prospect directly in front of you, what would you do?

End your own life, and a sudden blank to you? Would you want that to happen?

No one likes to die, but if this kind of scenario happens, and I can't do anything to stop it, I will gladly kill myself, knowing I have never taken a life for my own selfish need to survive. Forced myself to defend what I think is right, under so much pressure of natural instinct.



P.S. I do not mean this to be a joke AT ALL. I hope that all members are willing to take a look into their heart and tell me truthfully what you really think.
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Stas Bush wrote:Die. Battle Royale is a fucked up dose of mental damage. A person who survived this would anyway be mentally damaged to the extent probably equal to the most gruesome psychotic post-war syndromes.
Well, being mentally fucked-up being worse than being dead is a matter of opinion.
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Survival is job one. Someone may not have a family or dependents now, but that doesn't mean they won't in the future-- making ethical determination based on what might be can be tricky, though. And it could be argued about the fittest surviving, etc... except in this case, it is pretty lopsided, since the survivor will really be represnted by who is best with their weapons and hunting down other people. This, in a way, assures that the meanest will survive.

Probably within the first day we'll be down to about 200-300 people, because many of us will want to shoot two or three people, depending. Some will refuse to take a life and allow themselves to be killed first. Even if we take one life for each person, we are divided by half within the first 24 hours. I freely admit, if I have the opportunity and the position, I hose down as many of the competition as possible in this rediculous scenario.

Then it gets down to the hunt. And, to be perfectly honest, once it boils down to a handful of those of us in the Mess who've gotten to live out 'people hunting' for a living, frequently sanctioned by various government agencies, things get really fucking interesting-- and bloody.

My money's on Wilson, personally.
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