Quin Gon and Palpatine

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2007-01-27 07:02am

The reason I believe Anakin would have been more stable under Qui-Gon's teaching is because Qui-Gon would have taught him to listen to the living force (as they called it in TPM) and wouldn't have been conflicted by the "do whats right/do what the jedi say is right", he'd have done what the force felt was right.

Quite probably would have picked up on Anakins dreams about his mother being omens rather than just dreams earlier on, due to his pragmatism and trust in the force. Possibly saving Anakins mother and stopping him on the road to the dark side earlier on. He may still have been head strong and whiney, but he wouldn't have been quite such a messed up kid.

I can also see his advice being a bit more practical than "learn to let go of your attachments". Which frankly is bullshit.

Baal · Post by **Baal** » 2007-01-27 05:24pm

Ted C wrote:If Darth Sideous' conversation with the TradeFed commanders early in TPM is any indication, Palpatine didn't know that the Chancellor had sent Jedi to settle the problem, let alone which ones. Darth Wong has a pretty good theory about Palpatine's probable plan in his discussion of TPM.

That conversation is a sucker job on the Trade Fed. Palpatine knew all about the Jedi as he told the Queen during the cut off converastion.

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2007-01-27 05:32pm

Baal wrote:
Ted C wrote:If Darth Sideous' conversation with the TradeFed commanders early in TPM is any indication, Palpatine didn't know that the Chancellor had sent Jedi to settle the problem, let alone which ones. Darth Wong has a pretty good theory about Palpatine's probable plan in his discussion of TPM.
That conversation is a sucker job on the Trade Fed. Palpatine knew all about the Jedi as he told the Queen during the cut off converastion.

AFAIK, Palpatine only mentions the Chancellor's "ambassadors" when he speaks to the Queen and her Council, he gives no indication that they are Jedi. This doesn't mean he is unaware that the ambassadors are Jedi, but his conversation with Amidala doesn't prove he does.

Baal · Post by **Baal** » 2007-01-27 05:35pm

Another item to consider is that Qui Gon was the first Jedi to commune from the Afterlife. Even Yoda was amazed that he did this. So he possessed a unique connection with the force.

To me Qui Gon was more open to change while Yoda and Mace were ultimate examples or preparing to fight the last war all over again.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2007-01-27 11:44pm

Baal wrote:Another item to consider is that Qui Gon was the first Jedi to commune from the Afterlife. Even Yoda was amazed that he did this. So he possessed a unique connection with the force.

To me Qui Gon was more open to change while Yoda and Mace were ultimate examples or preparing to fight the last war all over again.

Agreed on this point. Qui Gon was more a Gray Jedi than a straight up Jedi. He was the poster boy of what the Force wanted a Jedi to be, while his pupil, Obi Wan, was the poster boy of what the Jedi wanted the Jedi to be.

000 · Post by **000** » 2007-01-28 12:01am

Qui-Gon was hardly the first Jedi to ghostify. Quite a few Jedi managed to pull it off over the years, including Pernicar and Ulic Qel-Droma.

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2007-01-28 12:15am

000 wrote:Qui-Gon was hardly the first Jedi to ghostify. Quite a few Jedi managed to pull it off over the years, including Pernicar and Ulic Qel-Droma.

It could be argued that RoTS renders those non-canon.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2007-01-28 12:45am

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:
000 wrote:Qui-Gon was hardly the first Jedi to ghostify. Quite a few Jedi managed to pull it off over the years, including Pernicar and Ulic Qel-Droma.
It could be argued that RoTS renders those non-canon.

Not necessarily. After all, Qui-gon managed to manifest the ability without any prior training; it is possible that other Jedi could have accomplished the feat before him, and simply never passed on the secret as he did.

Sam Or I · Post by **Sam Or I** » 2007-01-28 12:57am

Noble Ire wrote:
Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:
000 wrote:Qui-Gon was hardly the first Jedi to ghostify. Quite a few Jedi managed to pull it off over the years, including Pernicar and Ulic Qel-Droma.
It could be argued that RoTS renders those non-canon.
Not necessarily. After all, Qui-gon managed to manifest the ability without any prior training; it is possible that other Jedi could have accomplished the feat before him, and simply never passed on the secret as he did.

Similar to a lost art of some sort. I buy that.

Tychu · Post by **Tychu** » 2007-01-28 02:20am

The Original Nex wrote:
Baal wrote:
Ted C wrote:If Darth Sideous' conversation with the TradeFed commanders early in TPM is any indication, Palpatine didn't know that the Chancellor had sent Jedi to settle the problem, let alone which ones. Darth Wong has a pretty good theory about Palpatine's probable plan in his discussion of TPM.
That conversation is a sucker job on the Trade Fed. Palpatine knew all about the Jedi as he told the Queen during the cut off converastion.
AFAIK, Palpatine only mentions the Chancellor's "ambassadors" when he speaks to the Queen and her Council, he gives no indication that they are Jedi. This doesn't mean he is unaware that the ambassadors are Jedi, but his conversation with Amidala doesn't prove he does.

i havent watched TPM in a while but correct me if im wrong, and if the cut off conversation that your talking about is "I have assurances from teh Chancellor, his ambassadors did arrive".
this conversation happens after Sidious was talking with Nute Gunray about the abassadors being Jedi.

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2007-01-28 11:21am

Tychu wrote:
The Original Nex wrote:
Baal wrote: That conversation is a sucker job on the Trade Fed. Palpatine knew all about the Jedi as he told the Queen during the cut off converastion.
AFAIK, Palpatine only mentions the Chancellor's "ambassadors" when he speaks to the Queen and her Council, he gives no indication that they are Jedi. This doesn't mean he is unaware that the ambassadors are Jedi, but his conversation with Amidala doesn't prove he does.
i havent watched TPM in a while but correct me if im wrong, and if the cut off conversation that your talking about is "I have assurances from teh Chancellor, his ambassadors did arrive".
this conversation happens after Sidious was talking with Nute Gunray about the abassadors being Jedi.

Upon review, you are correct, sir.

Baal · Post by **Baal** » 2007-01-29 12:15am

The Original Nex wrote:
Tychu wrote:
The Original Nex wrote: AFAIK, Palpatine only mentions the Chancellor's "ambassadors" when he speaks to the Queen and her Council, he gives no indication that they are Jedi. This doesn't mean he is unaware that the ambassadors are Jedi, but his conversation with Amidala doesn't prove he does.
i havent watched TPM in a while but correct me if im wrong, and if the cut off conversation that your talking about is "I have assurances from teh Chancellor, his ambassadors did arrive".
this conversation happens after Sidious was talking with Nute Gunray about the abassadors being Jedi.
Upon review, you are correct, sir.

Does not tell you anything though. Palpatine/Sideous said what he needed to say to each person he was talking to.