Need help with Darkstar's follower!

[Pint0 Xtreme]

Well, he replied right away!

My mistake. I meant RoTS. Excuse my typo.

My response

That artillery piece thingie onboard the Venator?
It begs the question of how do you figure it was a HTL hit, rather than a hit by the same artillery piece thingie from CIS ship since they were shown subsequently firing at each other!

Or... perhaps the explanation is as simple as the shielding on the ships cushioning the blow of the turbolasers?

[Darth Wong]

Really? Because there are accounts that have 0 posts that were registered as far back as 2005. Hell, I never made any posts with my account until about a year after I registered.

Wow. You're right. Wierd in light of this. Oh well. Mike never said his purges were air tight.

I allowed lurkers to live this time. The software knows the last time you logged on, even if you never posted. So if somebody has been logging on regularly, even if he never posts, I let him live in the latest purge. I don't really have to do that, but I figured I was already nuking more than a thousand users as it was.

[Darth Servo]

Well his latest blog entry pertains to this very thread. But there's really nothing in it that he couldn't have got off the boards publically.

And quotes me verbatum. Should I feel honored or what?

[DPDarkPrimus]

Where's his blog? I lost the URL.

[Socar15]

http://www.st-v-sw.net/weblog/

[Surlethe]

Where's his blog? I lost the URL.

You can also go to it through his website. There's a link right on the main page.

[DPDarkPrimus]

Where's his blog? I lost the URL.

You can also go to it through his website. There's a link right on the main page.

For some reason I thought it was on a seperate URL.

[Darth Servo]

For some reason I thought it was on a seperate URL.

I believe thats his "Canon Wars" page. I could be wrong.

By the way, aren't we supposed to break any and all direct links to Scooter's page?

[DPDarkPrimus]

Hah, he disabled comments?

[Socar15]

Hah, he disabled comments?

Where? There are comments being made on the most recent entries.

[Darth Servo]

Hah, he disabled comments?

Go down to the bottom of the specific blog entry. Click where it says "x comments"

"x" being the current number.

[DPDarkPrimus]

Hah, he disabled comments?

Go down to the bottom of the specific blog entry. Click where it says "x comments"

"x" being the current number.

Ah, my mistake. I was looking through some older entries- they didn't have comments added.

Geez, he goes on for so long about the most arbitrary things- is it any wonder I gave up on reading more recent ones?

[Darth Servo]

Geez, he goes on for so long about the most arbitrary things- is it any wonder I gave up on reading more recent ones?

He goes on about things that happened years ago as if they happened in this thread. He whines about someone putting Stewart Davies address (which Stewie supplied through his own will) into Google maps to see what kind of place it was.

He takes Chee's statements about multiple layers of canon and actually says it supports his completely separate literal parallel universe nonsense.

Really Darkstar (and we all know you're reading this), when you need to write pages and pages and pages "explaining" how both the people at SW.com and ST.com didn't really tell you that you were wrong about canon, that alone is proof that they DID do preciesly that. All your verbose typing will only further prove you're in full blown damage control mode to shore up your little fantasy.

[Darth Servo]

I allowed lurkers to live this time. The software knows the last time you logged on, even if you never posted. So if somebody has been logging on regularly, even if he never posts, I let him live in the latest purge. I don't really have to do that, but I figured I was already nuking more than a thousand users as it was.

Ah, well then Darkstar's top secret account wouldn't have been purged since lurking here is his #2 activity. #1 of course is writing up his latest disertation on the rabid warsie conspiracy.

[DPDarkPrimus]

Geez, he goes on for so long about the most arbitrary things- is it any wonder I gave up on reading more recent ones?

He goes on about things that happened years ago as if they happened in this thread. He whines about someone putting Stewart Davies address (which Stewie supplied through his own will) into Google maps to see what kind of place it was.

I saw that one. Now that was hilarious. Anyone who knows the story about Stewie would agree.

[Vympel]

The fact that he harps about the treatment of the biggest fool to grace the entire sci-fi internet scene since, well, himself, as if it's somehow says something about SD.net, is simply wonderful evidence of how reliant he is on his readership being a bunch of sycophantic ass-munchers who wouldn't check a story for themselves if their very life depended on it.

Anyway- as to the debate you're having with that schmuck- the format of that forum is terrible. I can't make anything out at all.

[Darth Servo]

The fact that he harps about the treatment of the biggest fool to grace the entire sci-fi internet scene since, well, himself, as if it's somehow says something about SD.net, is simply wonderful evidence of how reliant he is on his readership being a bunch of sycophantic ass-munchers who wouldn't check a story for themselves if their very life depended on it.

Anyway- as to the debate you're having with that schmuck- the format of that forum is terrible. I can't make anything out at all.

Its amazing how he keeps harping on the same old incidents year after year (he STILL tries to say Wayne Poe dreams about killing him based on that short story Wayne once wrote). We only need to look at his LATEST blog entry or antics to get a good laugh.

[MagnusTheReD]

Anyway- as to the debate you're having with that schmuck- the format of that forum is terrible. I can't make anything out at all.

I know- this place is probably the largest site for artwork hosting ( almost 40 MILLION works!), and still they can't get themselves a decent board!

About that tard, he replied 14 hours ago, it's just that I was away from home for about the same time, and came back just a few hours ago.
I'll post his so called rebuttal now, but if you'll excuse me, I'll reply to it tomorrow- I don't have the mental resilience to keep track of his BS right now.

Here it goes (his text in bold):

I used RSA's comments as a refrence. I also did not directly quote your arguements and ask people to dissect them for me. I merely asked for suggestions. There's a difference there. Debate on your own. I use st-v-sw.net as a source. You are free to use the information presented on SDN as a source if you wish. However, asking others who are not present at this site to dissect MY replys to give you ammunition is not an "honest debate tactic".

The wide-beam setting on kill:

Voyager Episode "Cathexis", said by Tuvok: "this phaser is on wide-beam dispersal and set to kill." No one says, "That's impossible."

And since you can INFER that the Empire uses chemical weapons, isn't it logical for me to INFER that phasers have the ability to kill while on wide-beam?


"RotJ supports high GT level, every second novel supports high GT levels, what further evidence do you need?"

Uh, no they don't. They are not exchaning gigaton level blasts in RoTJ. We do not see massive explosions, except when a) a Star Destroyer explodes in the background, probably from a reactor going critcal.

b) The Executor slams into Death Star and explodes in a mssive fireball.

c) The Death Star destroys two rebel cruisers.

We do see a rebel frigate and a Star Destroyer exchanging fire at point blank range, with apparent minor damage on both sides (And fighters flying in between their turbolaser blasts).

I also would ike to give you this quote:

"Moonshadow was coming up and turning to port, its port-side batteries firing against Direption's aft shields. Red and blue laser and ion cannon fire pumped terajoules of energy into the shields, but somehow they stayed up."

This is from X-Wing: Isard's Revenge. It states that the main weapons of two ISD IIs are throwing out terajoules of energy. Not gigatons.


"I have specifically pointed out for you that DS TL's couldn't hit starfighters because they were anti-capship weapons! That's the reason they can't hit starfighters- they aren't designed for it!"

They are long range weapons, though. It has an enormous amount of firepower there. It could've thrown out broadsides of energy and overwhelmed the fighters. Right? Or were they just waiting for them to get close because the gunners were bored?

"And what do you do? Come here and claim that because theTL's on the DS were anti-capships they are somehow supposed to hit starfighters!
Your ignorance of anything military is just staggering."

Ad hominem and irrelevant.


"Nowhere have I implied that TL's travel at c. TL's aren't lasers, they don't travel at c.
This is direct observation of filmed material - that's what we see in the movies- why do they need it? Don't know."

Where do we see it in the movies? I see turbolaser blasts being exhanged, but I see no evidence whatsoever of the visible portion being merely a tracer.

"Oh yeah, because combat in jungle against the native specie which heavily outnumbers you is such an arbitrary affair!"

It should be when you have armor, balsters and walking tanks.

"Just remember that according to the novelization, Stromies were basically slathering Ewoks by the hundreds until Chewbacca took over that AT-ST!"

And even where Chewie WASN'T, the Ewoks kicked the crap out of the stormies with sticks and pieces of rock. Remember the ones in front of the bunker that were keeping Han and Liea pinned down?

"False on all three points- prove that phasers output MJ's of energy, show when we saw them "vaporising" metal an humans."

In "The Mind's Eye" Data states the a phaser rifle they are examining outputs at "1.05 MJs of energy per second", which is above standard Satrfleet effeciency. However, Data then says it shoudl be firing at 86.5% effeciency. Do the math and then comes to .908 MJs (or .91 if you round) per second. That means that in three seconds it can put out 2.724 MJs.

We see people vaporized in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, as well as TOS.

See this series of pictures: (those links are hotlink proof, so don't bother, they are dead)

[link]

[link]

[link]

We also have Picard's line in ST: FC when talking to Lily.

then we ahve this picture from TNG: [link]

Which clearly shows it being used to cut through metal.


Mass charge?

Here.
(this one is good, do check it)
[link]


"IIRC, it happened only once, in a dialogue, and I have to ask you whether the target was stationary or unaware of the attack. Because it's not something to be proud of when you hit a stationary target from that distance!
The rule is that ST ships engage each other from ranges not exceeding several kilometers, and still manage to miss!"

Gee, maybe they miss because the other ships are actually taking evasive action, unlike Star Wars ships...

And they hit a lot more then they miss. There is no rule that states "Stre Trek ships always miss"

In the episode "The Wounded", the USS Phoenix engaged a Cardassian warship at roughly 300,000 kilometers and was fired on at 200,000 while taking evasive manuvers. The Phoenix fires torpeoes at roughly 200,000 kilometers and destroys the Cardassian ship, who was well aware of the Pheonix's presence.

"As I said before, in the past he was confronted by LucasArts officials telling his his interpretation of canon is wrong!
So Dorkstar just accused him in dishonesty, and have never taken any measures to correct his mistakes!"

Evidence, please.

"Any examples to this alleged bias?"

He refuses to accept, despite numerous occasions in the X-Wing novels and other EU books, that X-Wings and other warhead carrying craft can engage and destroy capital ships.

"Why? Unlike Dorkstar's shitty, SW vs ST obsessed site, SD.net got more to it than just sci-fi! It got discussion boards for politics, news, and all other thing from... you know, REAL LIFE! Does st-vs-sw.net got anything to improve your further growth as a person?"

I read it for entertainment and information. I ahve other boards where I go to discuss politics. Furthermore, this is a red herring arguement, having nothing to do with the topic at hand.

"I have already pointed out that according the protorp's yield is depended solely on the warhead."

There is no evidence of them switching out warheads for different targets. I nfact, in the X-Wing books they take on capital ships with the same kind of torpedoes that they use against TIEs. There is nothing to indicate that they switched over to a different kind of warhead.

"Overridden by movies with kiloton blasts over the DS."

Where?

"I'm not sure what the hell are you talking about.
There was no capship fire exchanges in AoTC!"

I meant RoTS. Excuse my typo.

Well, that's it. Although he claims he'll repost those dead links, it was 14 hours ago...
So, see all ya tomorrow!

[Ritterin Sophia]

I'm really getting sick of this, 'It says terrajoules not gigatons!' argument, do these morons not realize that the energy released by a kiloton of TNT is 4.184 TJ?!? Suprise, Suprise; a two-hundred gig blast is 836,800,000 TJ, but Terrajoules nonetheless!

[Ritterin Sophia]

Ghetto Edit: energy released by a single kiloton blast is 4.184 TJ?!?

[Darth Servo]

I used RSA's comments as a refrence.

Which proves you're an idiot who can't tell pseudoscience from the real thing.

I also did not directly quote your arguements and ask people to dissect them for me. I merely asked for suggestions.

Thats all Magnus did too. Its not like this debate is going to be published or that there will be any royalties for it, so copyping someone else's words isn't that big a deal as long as the guy gives credit where credit is due.

There's a difference there. Debate on your own. I use st-v-sw.net as a source.

And a bad one at that. But the fact that he used it AT ALL shows he is NOT "debading on his own".

You are free to use the information presented on SDN as a source if you wish. However, asking others who are not present at this site to dissect MY replys to give you ammunition is not an "honest debate tactic".

Care to explain WHY citing others ideas from a bbs is different from citing their ideas from a non-interactive webpage?

The wide-beam setting on kill:

Voyager Episode "Cathexis", said by Tuvok: "this phaser is on wide-beam dispersal and set to kill." No one says, "That's impossible."

People on Trek NEVER say "thats impossible" when someone says something incredibly stupid. According to OVEG, Cathexis was done by Brannon Braga, so 'nuff said. And don't even try and bring up the infallible vulcan bullshit.

Oh, and he's lying through his teeth. Tuvok uses wide beam STUN in that episode and the setting is Voyager's miniscule bridge. Not exactly what you'd see out in the trenches. The word "kill" doesn't appear anywhere in the script.

Besides, even IF Tuvok had claimed a wide beam kill, all the characters are having their brains fucked with, why should we take ANYTHING said in that episode at face value?

And since you can INFER that the Empire uses chemical weapons, isn't it logical for me to INFER that phasers have the ability to kill while on wide-beam?

Because Imperial chemical weapons have actually been USED and such weapons exist in REAL LIFE. Wide-beam kill on the other hand remains Dragoon's one-handed exercise.

Uh, no they don't. They are not exchaning gigaton level blasts in RoTJ. We do not see massive explosions, except when a) a Star Destroyer explodes in the background, probably from a reactor going critcal.

The DVD version clearly shows that said explosion was caused by a Mon-Cal TL shot.

We do see a rebel frigate and a Star Destroyer exchanging fire at point blank range, with apparent minor damage on both sides (And fighters flying in between their turbolaser blasts).

Which AGAIN, are LIGHT TRENCH GUNS. What is it going to take to get this asshole to realize the HEAVY guns are on the TOP of the Star Destroyers, not the sides.

They are long range weapons, though. It has an enormous amount of firepower there. It could've thrown out broadsides of energy and overwhelmed the fighters. Right? Or were they just waiting for them to get close because the gunners were bored?

"Long range" does NOT mean "highly agile" I recommend investment in a basid dictionary.

"And what do you do? Come here and claim that because theTL's on the DS were anti-capships they are somehow supposed to hit starfighters!
Your ignorance of anything military is just staggering."

Ad hominem and irrelevant.[/b]

Pointing out that the Trekkie's argument is completely retarded is quite relevant and NOT an ad-hominem. Again, this guy needs an education.

Where do we see it in the movies? I see turbolaser blasts being exhanged, but I see no evidence whatsoever of the visible portion being merely a tracer.

Asteroid glowing white hot BEFORE the visible portion of the bolt reaches it.

It should be when you have armor, balsters and walking tanks.

See my earlier list of advantages the Ewoks enjoyed. Also, in addition to the AT-ST, the Ewoks also managed to capture those blasters.

And even where Chewie WASN'T, the Ewoks kicked the crap out of the stormies with sticks and pieces of rock. Remember the ones in front of the bunker that were keeping Han and Liea pinned down?

Let's see this tard do any better with 30 pound rocks landing on his head.

"False on all three points- prove that phasers output MJ's of energy, show when we saw them "vaporising" metal an humans."

In "The Mind's Eye" Data states the a phaser rifle they are examining outputs at "1.05 MJs of energy per second", which is above standard Satrfleet effeciency. However, Data then says it shoudl be firing at 86.5% effeciency. Do the math and then comes to .908 MJs (or .91 if you round) per second. That means that in three seconds it can put out 2.724 MJs.

Funny how we don't see the surrounding atmosphere heated at a rate of 1.05 MW. Besides, Data is an idiot.

Exhibit A
Exhibit B
Exhibit C
Exhibit D

We see people vaporized in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, as well as TOS.

Disappearing into thin air =/= vaporization.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tec ... .html#Ugly
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tec ... Beam1.html

See this series of pictures: Which clearly shows it being used to cut through metal.

And in most of those scenes the guy had to stand there for several minutes.

Mass charge?

Here.[/b]
(this one is good, do check it)

Ah, mass charge SUPPORTED BY ARTILLERY, TANKS, LONG RANGE WEAPONS, etc. All the things that would simply run over a group of Federation red shirts with hand guns. It never ceases to boggle my mind how these morons actually think Trek has superior ground forces to SW.

Gee, maybe they miss because the other ships are actually taking evasive action, unlike Star Wars ships...

Wallowing about like a beached whale is not what sane people call "evasive actions". The "evasive action" in Best of Both Worlds constituted a slow turn to the left.

In the episode "The Wounded", the USS Phoenix engaged a Cardassian warship at roughly 300,000 kilometers and was fired on at 200,000 while taking evasive manuvers. The Phoenix fires torpeoes at roughly 200,000 kilometers and destroys the Cardassian ship, who was well aware of the Pheonix's presence.

Trekkies seem to delibrately ignore the fact that single ship-to-ship combat is VASTLY different from fleet actions.

As I said before, in the past he was confronted by LucasArts officials telling his his interpretation of canon is wrong!
So Dorkstar just accused him in dishonesty, and have never taken any measures to correct his mistakes!

Evidence, please.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Hat ... ocron.html

He refuses to accept, despite numerous occasions in the X-Wing novels and other EU books, that X-Wings and other warhead carrying craft can engage and destroy capital ships.

In spite of the fact Rebel pilots LAUGH at the idea of an X-wing vs ISD matchup in TESB?

I read it for entertainment and information. I ahve other boards where I go to discuss politics. Furthermore, this is a red herring arguement, having nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Ah, hypocracy at work. Citing Darkstar pseudo science is OK but reading SD.net makes one a sociopath.

I have already pointed out that according the protorp's yield is depended solely on the warhead.

There is no evidence of them switching out warheads for different targets. I nfact, in the X-Wing books they take on capital ships with the same kind of torpedoes that they use against TIEs. There is nothing to indicate that they switched over to a different kind of warhead.

Bullshit. In TPM, we see vastly different yields on Proton torps from the Naboo starfighters. The torp that hit the big radar produced a MUCH larger explosion than the ones that hit the reactor.

AOTC: Slave-1 has both missles and mines, and again, the missles are of a different type than proton torps, rockets on the various artillery pieces.

ROTS: BUZZ DROID missles.

Other weapons: Concussion missles, heavy space bombs.

"Overridden by movies with kiloton blasts over the DS.

"
Where?

X-wings vaporizing a few cubic meters of metal, resulting in Luke getting "a little cooked'

I meant RoTS. Excuse my typo.

Confusing one movie with another is a bit more than a typo.

[Batman]

@Generall Schatten: Yep. A MT is 4.18E15J, thus a KT would be 4.18E12J or 4.18 TJ.

I used RSA's comments as a refrence. I also did not directly quote your arguements and ask people to dissect them for me. I merely asked for suggestions. There's a difference there. Debate on your own. I use st-v-sw.net as a source. You are free to use the information presented on SDN as a source if you wish. However, asking others who are not present at this site to dissect MY replys to give you ammunition is not an "honest debate tactic".

Quick question there-did you admit some replies were directly lifted from here? If you did NOT, he has something of a point-while I personally don't mind you quoting me you doing so without stating that you ARE quoting IS a tad dishonest.

The wide-beam setting on kill:
Voyager Episode "Cathexis", said by Tuvok: "this phaser is on wide-beam dispersal and set to kill." No one says, "That's impossible."

How, exactly, does that equal wide-beam kill? Even if it does, at which ranges? Besides, that's dialogue, and we all know how reliable Trek character statements are.

And since you can INFER that the Empire uses chemical weapons, isn't it logical for me to INFER that phasers have the ability to kill while on wide-beam?

Except the Imps using BC weapons is explicitely stated to be the case in the EU, whereas the only evidence for widebeam kill is one VOY statement that can be interpreted that way when we see widebeam stun used exactly twice, one of those being shipboard phasers and the other at point-blank range, widebeam kill NEVER, and geometry says that even if widebeam kill works it takes a fuckton more power than standard kill does and affects the phaser's endurance accordingly.

"RotJ supports high GT level, every second novel supports high GT levels, what further evidence do you need?"
Uh, no they don't. They are not exchaning gigaton level blasts in RoTJ. We do not see massive explosions,

Why should we? Not only do DEW NOT necessarily create massive fireballs (in fact in a vacuum even explosives don't, you need an atmosphere for that) but as the majority of those hits will be dealt with by the shields, why should there be any explosions at all?

We do see a rebel frigate and a Star Destroyer exchanging fire at point blank range, with apparent minor damage on both sides (And fighters flying in between their turbolaser blasts).

How, exactly, does this allow us to quantify the firepower of those blasts even ignoring that they were likely dealt with via shields? Oh, and those were trench guns on the part of the ISD, not HTLs. Which the dinky Nebulon B doesn't even have.

I also would ike to give you this quote:
"Moonshadow was coming up and turning to port, its port-side batteries firing against Direption's aft shields. Red and blue laser and ion cannon fire pumped terajoules of energy into the shields, but somehow they stayed up."
This is from X-Wing: Isard's Revenge. It states that the main weapons of two ISD IIs are throwing out terajoules of energy. Not gigatons.

No it doesn't. Not only is there no upper limit on how MANY terajoules those were as General Schatten pointed out, not only is it from an EU novel that is OVERRIDDEN by the ICS, but nowhere does it explicitly say that those were the MAIN batteries.

"I have specifically pointed out for you that DS TL's couldn't hit starfighters because they were anti-capship weapons! That's the reason they can't hit starfighters- they aren't designed for it!"
They are long range weapons, though. It has an enormous amount of firepower there. It could've thrown out broadsides of energy and overwhelmed the fighters. Right?

Wrong, as all that energy would be hitting empty space. Which particular part of 'they could not hit them' escapes this guy? By this reasoning battleships should have used their main guns against attacking aircraft because hey, they have shitloads of firepower, they should be able to overwhelm them, right?

Or were they just waiting for them to get close because the gunners were bored?

Again, what's so hard to understand about they couldn't freaking hit them in the first place?

"And what do you do? Come here and claim that because theTL's on the DS were anti-capships they are somehow supposed to hit starfighters!
Your ignorance of anything military is just staggering."
Ad hominem and irrelevant.

No, and no.

"Nowhere have I implied that TL's travel at c. TL's aren't lasers, they don't travel at c.
This is direct observation of filmed material - that's what we see in the movies- why do they need it? Don't know."
Where do we see it in the movies? I see turbolaser blasts being exhanged, but I see no evidence whatsoever of the visible portion being merely a tracer.

Does that mean he admits there is an invisible portion that travels faster than the visible one?

"Oh yeah, because combat in jungle against the native specie which heavily outnumbers you is such an arbitrary affair!"
It should be when you have armor, balsters and walking tanks.

It was until Chewie hijacked the AT-ST. And tanks are quite hampered in their abilities in forested terrain. Besides those were APCs at best, not tanks.

"Just remember that according to the novelization, Stromies were basically slathering Ewoks by the hundreds until Chewbacca took over that AT-ST!"
And even where Chewie WASN'T, the Ewoks kicked the crap out of the stormies with sticks and pieces of rock.

In a few select situations. By and large, they were being slaughtered.

Remember the ones in front of the bunker that were keeping Han and Liea pinned down?

So?

"False on all three points- prove that phasers output MJ's of energy, show when we saw them "vaporising" metal an humans."

We see people vaporized in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, as well as TOS.

No we don't. We see them made to glow funnily and go away.

We also have Picard's line in ST: FC when talking to Lily

Who naturally was talking about actual vapourization when every single incident we have of phasers supposedly vapourizing things shows them not to.

"IIRC, it happened only once, in a dialogue, and I have to ask you whether the target was stationary or unaware of the attack. Because it's not something to be proud of when you hit a stationary target from that distance!
The rule is that ST ships engage each other from ranges not exceeding several kilometers, and still manage to miss!"
Gee, maybe they miss because the other ships are actually taking evasive action, unlike Star Wars ships...

Which should be irrelevant at those ranges with even modern-day weapons leave alone supposedly lightspeed ones. The reason Wars ships don't generally bother to dodge is because against energy weapons at those ranges, you can't.

And they hit a lot more then they miss. There is no rule that states "Star Trek ships always miss"

That they miss AT ALL at those ranges is pathetic to begin with.

In the episode "The Wounded", the USS Phoenix engaged a Cardassian warship at roughly 300,000 kilometers and was fired on at 200,000 while taking evasive manuvers. The Phoenix fires torpeoes at roughly 200,000 kilometers and destroys the Cardassian ship, who was well aware of the Pheonix's presence.

And that contradicts the 99+% of Trek where they duke it out at ranges modern day fighter pilots would consider point-blank how?

"Any examples to this alleged bias?"
He refuses to accept, despite numerous occasions in the X-Wing novels and other EU books, that X-Wings and other warhead carrying craft can engage and destroy capital ships.

And that shows a pro-Wars bias how? Besides, as the movies and ICS' clearly show capital ship shield resilience is WAY out of the league fighters can take on except in ridiculously large numbers or using absurdly powerful torpedoes, and the movies and ICSs override the EU novels.
Not that I can recall Mike ever outright refusing to accept that in the first place.

"Why? Unlike Dorkstar's shitty, SW vs ST obsessed site, SD.net got more to it than just sci-fi! It got discussion boards for politics, news, and all other thing from... you know, REAL LIFE! Does st-vs-sw.net got anything to improve your further growth as a person?"
I read it for entertainment and information. I ahve other boards where I go to discuss politics. Furthermore, this is a red herring arguement, having nothing to do with the topic at hand.

He may be a lying dipshit by and large but he's right there.

"Overridden by movies with kiloton blasts over the DS."
Where?

Watch the fucking movie.
Now to see how many replies happened while I was composing this...

[Darth Servo]

"Why? Unlike Dorkstar's shitty, SW vs ST obsessed site, SD.net got more to it than just sci-fi! It got discussion boards for politics, news, and all other thing from... you know, REAL LIFE! Does st-vs-sw.net got anything to improve your further growth as a person?"

I read it for entertainment and information. I ahve other boards where I go to discuss politics. Furthermore, this is a red herring arguement, having nothing to do with the topic at hand.

He may be a lying dipshit by and large but he's right there.

No, he's being a hypocrite. Dragoon flames Magnus for referencing SD.net and being a loser nerd for doing so. Magnus returns the favor regarding Darkstar's POS, pointing out that for every "geeky" aspect about SD.net, Darkstar's site is far worse--twice the geed, far less than half the intelligence. Dragoon whines about this being irrelevant anyway. Dragoon is just being a sore loser, "How DARE someone treat me the way I've been treating him."

[Darth Servo]

ghetto edit: "twice the geek", not "geed" damn typos.

[Darth Wong]

I've noticed that Darkstar's kiddie acolytes always do that; they attack anyone here via association with this site, even though they shamelessly link their arguments to someone who doesn't have a tenth of my qualifications, who has been told he was flat-out wrong by reps of both Paramount and Lucasfilm, and who has never been able to convince anyone but other kiddies.

Really, the way these people argue, you'd think that there's some kind of shame associated with working in groups rather than working alone, even though that's the way anything useful gets done in real-life. Besides, they themselves are also working in groups, albeit groups with far less educated people in them.