Which factions can defeat star wars universe EASILY?

[ray245]

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This question has been asked many times, and periodically comes up. So I'm stickying it in order to try and reduce new members posting the same question over and over...

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As many people know and accepted the fact that star wars is pretty strong in the science fiction. However, there are factions that can be on par or stronger than star wars.

However, are there any factions that this board ADMITS that, no matter what star wars tried to do, there's simply no way for them to win the war against another science fiction universe?

A curbstorm if you will, where wars is simply too weak against its foe. Are there such powerful universe?

[Luke Starkiller]

Off the top of my head: The Culture, the Timelords, the Daleks, the Xelee (sp?). This topic shows up every couple months. No doubt you'll have a biggish list in five minutes.

[Admiral Valdemar]

The Idirans, the Homomda and the Inhibitors spring to mind, to add to that list.

[18-Till-I-Die]

Civilization could probably pull it off by sheer numbers and their massive speed advantage (i seriously doubt that HTLs can track and fire at something moving at FTL). But they also have superior firepower, in that they can target planets from intergalactic ranges and strike within minuets with planet-killing weapons, such as Negaspheres and mobile war-planets used as kinetic projectiles. Theoretically they could destroy the GE from their own galaxy without ever leaving.

It's worth noting that Civilization, and by that same token Boskonian, ships maneuver at FTL speeds in real-space, and so it would be nearly impossible for a sublight weapon like a Turbolaser to actually hit them. They consider light-speed to be a 'crawling' speed, a TL bolt travels significantly slower than light-speed, judging by the movies. Even IF it's traveling at C, they would still be able to literally run circles around a TL bolt at 'parsecs per hour' speed.

[Ar-Adunakhor]

The Necrons and most Hyperion-verse civs.

[Imperial Overlord]

Hyperion vese civilization would lose. Their FTL is far too slow and I haven't seen evidence for their ships having enough firepower to take on Wars (although ground warfare would be murder). BDZ for the win. The far future part of the Hyperion vese with its time bending badassness would probably win though.

[Lord of the Abyss]

The prehuman cultures of Acts of Conscience by William Barton. They had weapons that could destroy worlds and stars instantly over intergalactic ranges. From the descriptions, they could have destroyed all civilization in the Star Wars galaxy in a single salvo.

[NecronLord]

The Necrons

Depends. If they're using their semi usual operating procedure, it'd probably come down to their shapeshifting trickster god punching Palpatine's face through the far wall of his office and taking over. In an 'fight overtly until one side falls over' thing, the necrons don't have nearly the numbers or logistics to win, and the firepower's extremely questionable given most calcs.

Of course, there's always their multi-galactic Empire of dooom from sixty million years ago, which should be able to do it. But generally they don't deserve to be included here.

[Big Orange]

Other sci-fi civiliastions that will totally crush the Galactic Empire:

The Culture, the Homomdans, Idirans, quite likely the machine civilisation that V'Ger came from, the Q, the People, the Xeelee, the Daleks, the Time Lords, maybe the human empire fighting against the Xeelee (possible parity with the GE) and perhaps the unknown guys who imprisoned Satan.

[18-Till-I-Die]

From the Skylark series...take your pick.

The two main human characters, Dr. Seaton and his archnemesis, a sociopath named DuQuesne, both had ships...that's single shits...that could quite easily destroy a galaxy by the end of the series. They could, together, actually destroy the Star Wars galaxy and build a new one in it's place. They...actually did that in the book .

The Chlorians had beam weapons easily in the BDZ range that could strike targets over intergalactic distances in real-time, meaning they were most likely FTL. It's worth noting that the Chlorians posed a threat to Seaton and DuQuesne despite their own vastly powerful ships. They kind of got the Chlorians thanks to a sneak attack (of sorts, it's hard to explain without going into detail).

Needless to say, any of the three above folks could take on the SW galaxy and win. Indeed they most likely could take on the Culture and win, and the Culture utterly pwns the GE.

[18-Till-I-Die]

Ghetto edit...

Fuck i cant spell.

"Single SHIPS"...not "shits"

I fail spelling.

[Darth Wong]

This is about the tenth time someone has posted this question. And we always hear the same answers, and then the thread is forgotten.

[Admiral Valdemar]

I can only presume such threads are made in order to get some new answers, of which I see few here. Maybe a sticky should be made to enlighten newbies to the fact that, shock horror, the SW GE is not the be all, end all of science fiction civilisations.

It's almost like an unofficial litmus test for the power of a SF civilisation, whether it can rival Palpy's offering or not. A better thread could be made if asked on the specifics of how such opponents go about rivalling or beating the GE in detail.

[NecronLord]

This is about the tenth time someone has posted this question. And we always hear the same answers, and then the thread is forgotten.

Humm. Stickied this one, replacing this one.

[ray245]

Oh...sorry about that...don't know that this has been posted before.

Is there link to older threads with the same topic?

[Ar-Adunakhor]

Hyperion vese civilization would lose. Their FTL is far too slow and I haven't seen evidence for their ships having enough firepower to take on Wars (although ground warfare would be murder). BDZ for the win. The far future part of the Hyperion vese with its time bending badassness would probably win though.

Apologies, I was referring to the TechnoCore, the Futureworld powers, and possibly the Ousters before Hyperion. The Hegemony has nowhere near the ship numbers to touch Wars.

Depends. If they're using their semi usual operating procedure, it'd probably come down to their shapeshifting trickster god punching Palpatine's face through the far wall of his office and taking over. In an 'fight overtly until one side falls over' thing, the necrons don't have nearly the numbers or logistics to win, and the firepower's extremely questionable given most calcs.

Of course, there's always their multi-galactic Empire of dooom from sixty million years ago, which should be able to do it. But generally they don't deserve to be included here.

I assumed it was "win by any means you can," thus opening up assassinations and star-killing, but defer to you on all things Necron.

[Faram]

Futurama verse?

Really fast ships, craycy weapons and time travel.

[Imperial Overlord]

Apologies, I was referring to the TechnoCore, the Futureworld powers, and possibly the Ousters before Hyperion. The Hegemony has nowhere near the ship numbers to touch Wars.

The TechnoCore and the Ousters couldn't possibly compete with Star Wars. Fifty Archangel class warships which are laughably slow by Wars standards are a massive investment for the Pax and more than enough to destroy the Ousters in a genocidal war. They display no where near the firepower of an ISD and use a fusion torch drive for sublight maneuvering. Completely pathetic compared to a power than has more than 25,0000 ISDs and can build Death Stars in secret. The modern version of the TechnoCore never demonstrates forces larger or more powerful than the fake Ouster fleet, which is again totally outmatched by a few Wars vessels. It's only the far future time bending quicksilver mojo which outpowers SW.

[Ar-Adunakhor]

Apologies, I was referring to the TechnoCore, the Futureworld powers, and possibly the Ousters before Hyperion. The Hegemony has nowhere near the ship numbers to touch Wars.

The TechnoCore and the Ousters couldn't possibly compete with Star Wars. Fifty Archangel class warships which are laughably slow by Wars standards are a massive investment for the Pax and more than enough to destroy the Ousters in a genocidal war. They display no where near the firepower of an ISD and use a fusion torch drive for sublight maneuvering. Completely pathetic compared to a power than has more than 25,0000 ISDs and can build Death Stars in secret. The modern version of the TechnoCore never demonstrates forces larger or more powerful than the fake Ouster fleet, which is again totally outmatched by a few Wars vessels. It's only the far future time bending quicksilver mojo which outpowers SW.

Good point on the Ousters, and I was counting on the combination of spacetime rifts and Uber Bombs of Human Doom to win for the core, but stupidly forgot that not only do Wars ships have hulls of supermetal which could possibly block the deathwaves the same way rock does, but they could just crew them with non-humans.

My bad, amended to only the futerverse Hyperion civs.

[PayBack]

Hope this isn't considered a necro, but as an aside, where does the info regarding the power of the daleks come from? The TV series or books?

[NecronLord]

Hope this isn't considered a necro, but as an aside, where does the info regarding the power of the daleks come from? The TV series or books?

Both.

They're declared able to 'crack planets like eggs' in the TV series, they're shown to do it in the books and audio tapes.

[PayBack]

Cheers... without the latter I'd have taken the former as hyperbole

One last question if you don't mind... how do they do it? With ships? Is it something they do easily or is it something rare (as the DS is to the GE)?

[PayBack]

EDIT: BTW I will be trying to find this out for myself after work so don't think I'm being a lazy shit trying to get it handed to me on a plete

[fgalkin]

Apologies, I was referring to the TechnoCore, the Futureworld powers, and possibly the Ousters before Hyperion. The Hegemony has nowhere near the ship numbers to touch Wars.

The TechnoCore and the Ousters couldn't possibly compete with Star Wars. Fifty Archangel class warships which are laughably slow by Wars standards are a massive investment for the Pax and more than enough to destroy the Ousters in a genocidal war. They display no where near the firepower of an ISD and use a fusion torch drive for sublight maneuvering. Completely pathetic compared to a power than has more than 25,0000 ISDs and can build Death Stars in secret. The modern version of the TechnoCore never demonstrates forces larger or more powerful than the fake Ouster fleet, which is again totally outmatched by a few Wars vessels. It's only the far future time bending quicksilver mojo which outpowers SW.

Good point on the Ousters, and I was counting on the combination of spacetime rifts and Uber Bombs of Human Doom to win for the core, but stupidly forgot that not only do Wars ships have hulls of supermetal which could possibly block the deathwaves the same way rock does, but they could just crew them with non-humans.

My bad, amended to only the futerverse Hyperion civs.

There is no reason to believe that the Uber Bomb of Doom would not kill humans shielded by rock. The TechnoCore wanted them dead, so they lied to them about it.

Also, remember that a FORCE:Space assault carrier can destroy a planet, and a force of cruisers can destroy a sun.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Exonerate]

The Idirans, the Homomda and the Inhibitors spring to mind, to add to that list.

Revelation Space Inhibitors? I think not. They're incapable of FTL travel, that alone would put them at a severe disadvantage. They've demonstrated planet-killing abilities, but that takes time, and doesn't take into account possible planetary defenses.