Did Luke Force Push Vader?

NeoGoomba · Post by **NeoGoomba** » 2007-02-09 06:44pm

I just caught this on HBO. In ESB, in the early stage of their duel, it seems that Luke fleetingly gains the upper hand on Vader when he knocks him off the carbon freezing chamber. When Vader goes off, he flies backward at an angle while yelling an "Ooomph", as if he was knocked off with pretty decent force. Does the novelisation or anything else say if Luke used the Force to slam Vader off the platform, or did he just kick/shove Vader off?

Tychu · Post by **Tychu** » 2007-02-09 11:54pm

i just read the novel. but i dont remember them saying luke force pushed him.

i do remmber saying that Luke catches him off guard and he pretty much loses his balance going down the stairs or to some degree on that

Sephirius · Post by **Sephirius** » 2007-02-10 03:51pm

if memory serves, he gave Vader a huge boot to the chest at that point.

Burak Gazan · Post by **Burak Gazan** » 2007-02-10 03:58pm

Vader was backpedalling and "appeared" to lose his balance and fall. This drew Luke down to the lower level, where he proceeded to get his ass kicked, literally out the window

Out-of-universe explanation, George hadn't thought of that sort of Jedi/Sith combat ability just yet

Tychu · Post by **Tychu** » 2007-02-10 05:45pm

Burak Gazan wrote:Vader was backpedalling and "appeared" to lose his balance and fall. This drew Luke down to the lower level, where he proceeded to get his ass kicked, literally out the window

Out-of-universe explanation, George hadn't thought of that sort of Jedi/Sith combat ability just yet

im sure the ability was there (Dagobah training happens before the Luke/Vader Round 1 fight) but i think that it was thought that two people using the force would cancel that out at the time

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Burak Gazan · Post by **Burak Gazan** » 2007-02-10 06:21pm

im sure the ability was there (Dagobah training happens before the Luke/Vader Round 1 fight) but i think that it was thought that two people using the force would cancel that out at the time

In-universe, I'm certain it was, we just didnt see it until the prequels

As to cancelling, I'm not 100% sure but that might be a matter of concentration and focus. We saw Dooku tossing Obi-Wan around more than once, not to mention Maul pushing his ass off the edge of the melting pit. Obi-wan and Anakin DID blow each other to opposite ends of the room during the final duel, so that would sorta qualify as "canceling out"

Eframepilot · Post by **Eframepilot** » 2007-02-10 07:37pm

Vader gave Luke a Force nudge into the carbon freezing pit, so the ability definitely existed in TESB.

Burak Gazan · Post by **Burak Gazan** » 2007-02-10 08:35pm

From the scene, it looked like Vader (who had been backing him up at saberpoint) just took a swing at him and Luke lost his balance and fell into the pit. Vader then used the Force to activate the chamber, and Luke used it to leap out in time

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2007-02-12 04:02pm

I haven't seen this in a long time, but I could swear Luke side-kicks Vader in the chest to knock him over that edge.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2007-02-12 04:24pm

LordShaithis wrote:I haven't seen this in a long time, but I could swear Luke side-kicks Vader in the chest to knock him over that edge.

He does indeed

Burak Gazan · Post by **Burak Gazan** » 2007-02-12 04:48pm

Isolder74 wrote:
LordShaithis wrote:I haven't seen this in a long time, but I could swear Luke side-kicks Vader in the chest to knock him over that edge.
He does indeed

Isn't that scene in Jedi? Where they dueling before the Emperor and Luke finishes a block then side-kicks Vader who awkwardly tumbles end over end down the stairs to land on his ass?

Ziggy Stardust · Post by **Ziggy Stardust** » 2007-02-12 05:05pm

Considering how far Darth Vader goes when Luke kicks him, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a Force nudge involved. After all, considering how heavy Darth Vader's armor is, I really don't think it's possible for a simple kick to do that.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-02-12 05:12pm

Tychu wrote:and with that i have become the next step in my ww w.stardestroyer.net training and become......i hope this thread has an edit....... ......... Jedi Master

meh. Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the dark side.

Lord Relvenous · Post by **Lord Relvenous** » 2007-02-12 06:19pm

At first I thought he Force pushed him too, but after reviewing the scene, it seems much more likely that Vader just fell off of the edge. In the few seconds leading to that fall, Luke was on the attack and Vader was giving ground quickly. That momentum seems to carry into the fall. This is even more likely a scenario if Vader was concentrated solely on Luke's attacks and the blocking and misdirecting of his lunges. Remember, Vader didn't want to kill Luke and it takes more concentration to avoid damage than it does to cause it.

Anguirus · Post by **Anguirus** » 2007-02-16 11:14pm

Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong scene, but I thought that Luke shoved a venting pipe at Vader and startled him, causing him to backpedal and fall.

Lord Relvenous · Post by **Lord Relvenous** » 2007-02-17 03:26am

Anguirus wrote:Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong scene, but I thought that Luke shoved a venting pipe at Vader and startled him, causing him to backpedal and fall.

Later in that scene, the vent move occurs about three minutes before our discussed topic.

Anguirus · Post by **Anguirus** » 2007-02-19 08:26am

Oh, okay.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2007-02-19 03:21pm

Isolder74 wrote:
LordShaithis wrote:I haven't seen this in a long time, but I could swear Luke side-kicks Vader in the chest to knock him over that edge.
He does indeed

Yes, he does. Except he does it in ROTJ, and not ESB. *I think the only hit Luke actually lands on Vader is the lightsaber hit to the right shoulder.

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