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Creation of the Universe by Spoken Word "Proven"

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I ran a couple searches and it didn't appear this had been posted before. I'm frankly left dumbfounded by the stupidity of this.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=54131
Research: God Did Speak World Into Existence
Student's scientific documentation offers evidence of biblical account

Posted: February 11, 2007
9:35 p.m. Eastern


A science student in Kentucky says when the Bible records God spoke, and things were created, that's just what happened, and he can support that with scientific experiments.

"If God spoke everything into existence as the Genesis record proposes, then we should be able to scientifically prove that the construction of everything in the universe begins with a) the Holy Spirit (magnetic field); b) Light (an electric field); and c) that Light can be created by a sonic influence or sound," Samuel J. Hunt writes on his website.

"There are several documented and currently taught laboratory experiments that accurately portray the events in Genesis in sequential order, the most important being that of sonoluminescence," he wrote.

That, he described to WND, is the circumstance in which sending a sonic signal into bubbles in a fluid causes the bubbles to collapse and they release photons, or create light.

That aligns with one of the earlier descriptions of the creation by God, when, in Genesis 1:1-3, the Holy Spirit moved upon the face of the deep, which generally is considered water, and said "Let there be light," he explained.

God was sending a sonic influence into the waters, and basically creating light, Hunt said. He's documented his theory, and the experiments he believes back it up, in his "Episteme Scientia, the Law of All That Is."

Researchers at institutions no less than UCLA and the University of Chicago have verified the production of light from bubbles when sound is passed through a liquid, called sonoluminescence.

Hunt said he was spurred on in his work because the advanced physics and other courses he was taking were advancing propositions that sometimes didn't match up.

"The further I went, the more my questions seemed to be being answered in the Genesis record," he told WND.

His abstract states, "An examination of the sequential mathematical and experimental dual proof of the Genesis record of origins underlying the institution of all that is in the universe – from waves to matter to the mind."

Hunt said science has been proving the Genesis account in classrooms for centuries, "in spite of the fervency to promote evolution and big bang theories."

A student at Western Kentucky University in Bowling Green, Hunt said his questions started very simply.

"I asked my professors in physics and chemistry, 'What if I could scientifically prove that all matter was spoken into existence and that all matter could be manipulated by sound just as Genesis says? Wouldn't that mean God exists and created the universe?" he asked.

"Nobody's every done that before," was the response.

His 84-page treatise, now published, addresses that, he said.

Hunt said he believes every event in Genesis can be observed to be happening daily.

"Either you experience a universe of chaos or a universe of order and processes that produce immediate and calculable results," he wrote. "The results of my research support and prove that everything that exists was spoken into existence from waves to matter to mind."

"My professors think my application of accepted laws and theories may bend the rules a bit, but the ideas are thought-provoking and progressive," he said.

The website describes the integration of several mathematical systems including "Phi, Pi, L-systems, Penrose tiling, and an all-encompassing Koch curve."

The outline, available at scienceprovescreation.com, already has sold more than 1,700 copies.

Hunt said his goal was to be able to provide experiments that would explain the Genesis creation story – in the order the Bible records events happened.

"Some of my teachers are like, 'That's complete hogwash,'" he said, "while others say, 'That's pretty interesting.'"

His goal is to bring a unity to the Christian community, "just like the founders of our nation expected and wanted from the Constitution."

The documentation of his processes, Hunt believes, could end debate.

"People want to know the truth, to have something to stand on that's not trickery and deceit," he said. "This gives people something real to touch, hang on to."



Hunt's own website is: http://www.scienceprovescreation.com/
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So what created the water then huh HUH???

Although not as elaborate I have seen the claim that the universe was created by Gods voice and it created the big bang, or the account of Genesis. I couldn't really tell because he kept throwing out excuses for both creationism and shoehorning God into the natural explanation of the universe.
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I hate these people.
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The Holy Spirit is a magnetic field, eh? So those biomagnet things are really mystical healing rocks? Coilguns use the might of GOD to throw things? :)
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"And yea, the Holy Ghost did shout at the water, and verily did the formed bubbles collapse to create tiny amounts of light. And God saw the light, that it was really rather nifty, and went on to do more productive things."
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That's quite interesting though, equating the Holy Spirit to fucking magnetism. That must be why he has problems with iron chariots :lol:
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The really funny thing is that this guy probably thinks he's a genius for coming up with this tripe. "Oooh, you can use soundwaves to heat things up to luminescence! This proves that the universe was spoken into existence!" I guess he's so ignorant he doesn't know what "non sequitur" means. I also like the way he makes it seem as if this is some new research, when people have known about this behaviour since before any of us were born.
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Silly Boy wrote:"Some of my teachers are like, 'That's complete hogwash,'" he said, "while others say, 'That's pretty interesting.'"
As if the two are mutually exclusive. He doesn't believe he could come up with something that's interesting while still being scientific bullshit?
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The Holy Spirit is magnetic! HAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Ok, so other scientists have already shown that sound can make like when interacting with water. How exactly does he propose that sound then creates mass, reorders and structures it into a desired form. If he'd really proved these things, I doubt he would be so concerned with saying, "I've proved Genesis", as shouting "I've just solved the problems of Famine, clean energy production and lack of materials as well as creating a new form of production. Bow down before me and give me shit loads of money, I am fucking God"

Instead, he's trying to sell his research paper to gullible idiots who want genesis to be true.
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Hey Srynerson, your first clue to this being something that guarantees you will be, as you put it, "left dumbfounded by the stupidity", is contained in the URL; "worldnetdaily"...
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Everyone knows sound can't travel in a vacuum. God can't speak anything into being unless something already existed. Obviously God is a fraud while some other entity really created the universe. I nominate Azathoth. God is just another face of Nyarlathotep conceived for playing sadistic games with mankind.
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So does this mean we can fight off the rapture with high powered electro-magnets?
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Heh, clever marketing idea.
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Spyder wrote:So does this mean we can fight off the rapture with high powered electro-magnets?
Praise the Lord and pass the EM munitions!
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Kentucky has several colleges that are fully funded by churches, specifically the more fundamentalist churches. I'm not sure if Western Kentucky University is one of them, but I'd not be surprised.


And they say WVians are stupid hicks who'll believe anything... :roll:
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I remember a similarly retarded "proof" posted on the GameFaqs forums (yeah, I know) before. Only the idiot fundie didn't even bother with experiments like in this case.

I went something like this:

-Nobody grows up in 100% ideal conditions.
-Because of this, everybody is less than their genetic potential.
-That perfect version in all of us is God.
-Therefore, uh, God exists!

Imagine that going on for pages and pages, with diagrams and lots of scientific-sounding words thrown in.
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Rye wrote:The Holy Spirit is magnetic! HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Does that mean I now should start praying to my fridge magnets?
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The guy in that article definately blurs the line between reality and fiction your grandmother e-mails you because she thought it was funny.
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Frank Hipper wrote:One of the the worst of extremist right, theocratic bullshit websites.
That's why I check it almost every day - it's funnier than The Onion. :D
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Jim Raynor wrote:-Nobody grows up in 100% ideal conditions.
-Because of this, everybody is less than their genetic potential.
-That perfect version in all of us is God.
-Therefore, uh, God exists!
That reminds me of something I heard someone else use (not seriously).

Basically, the gist of the argument was this:

- God is perfect
- One of the properties of something being perfect is that it exists, since not existing is a pretty serious flaw.
- Therefore, God exists.

Fortunately that argument can be shot down easily, since you can't actually define something into existance. If you could, don't you think I'd have defined the perfect games console into my living room already?


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Lusankya wrote:Basically, the gist of the argument was this:

- God is perfect
- One of the properties of something being perfect is that it exists, since not existing is a pretty serious flaw.
- Therefore, God exists.

Fortunately that argument can be shot down easily, since you can't actually define something into existance. If you could, don't you think I'd have defined the perfect games console into my living room already?
You do realise that someone actually used that argument (or a variation on it) in all seriousness, right? Not only that, but it's one of the most famous and most used arguments in history for the existence of God. It's the ontological argument first proposed by Saint Anselm in the 11th Century.

It's been thoroughly debunked as far back as Immanuel Kant, but theists keep using it anyway. My personal favourite counterargument goes thusly:

1) The more impressive a creation the most impressive the creator.
2) God is the most impressive creator ever.
3) A creation is more impressive the greater the handicap on its creation was.
4) The greatest handicap of all would be for the creation's creator not to have existed.

5) Thus, God does not exist.
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Ghetto edit: I am being unfair, actually. Immanuel Kant gave what is considered to be one of the earliest thorough and complete trashing of this as a cogent argument in his Critique of Pure Reason, but he was hardly the first person to take issue with it. The first that I can think of was Gaunilo, a contemporary of Anselm's, who pointed out that using the same argumentative form you could prove that a perfect island exists, or a perfect anything for that matter.

The problem is that it's much easier to become convinced that ontological arguments don't work than it is to figure out exactly what's wrong with them. (Russell's charge, not mine.) Gaunilo and others were the first to catch on to this, but it wasn't until Kant that we had a definite counterargument that picked out exactly where Anselm and company went wrong. His claim is that existence is being mistaken for a predicate and thus misapplied within the argument for reasons which I am too tired to cogently describe.

There was quite a lively debate for centuries though about this form, despite how ridiculous the form seems. Descartes and Leibniz had a famous exchange over it, and more recently Kurt Goedel and Alvin Platinga - amongst others - have been proposing variations of the ontological argument that are actually quite interesting to study, although many of them don't even purport to prove the existence of God in the same way that Anselm and the fundamentalist brigade claim they do.
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