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Doctor Who - The Master to return?

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http://www.gallifreyone.com/news.php#ne ... FAxhxRkkXc

Was looking at Outpost gallifrey's news, and I found this
With the popular cult telefantasy series Life on Mars returning for a final time on BBC1 this Tuesday, the Independent on Sunday newspaper have a profile and interview with the lead actor, John Simm, which starts off with the statement:

"Travelling back through the years for hit show 'Life on Mars' has given the actor more fame than he knows how to cope with. But now he reveals to Liz Hoggard a new role that will mean seeing a Doctor."

During the course of the interview the article goes on to seemingly confirm a rumour first raised in the Sun by saying the following:

"Although the BBC is planning a spin-off to Life on Mars - called Ashes to Ashes, set in the 1980s and starring [Philip] Glenister, Simm is bowing out. 'My instinct tells me not to hang around too long.'

"He'd like to do some comedy 'in warm weather - preferably on a beach. I always seem to be doing drama in horrible brick locations.' And for years he's been dying to play a proper villain or a serial killer. The problem is Simm still looks 35 going on 15, but finally he's got the chance: he's just been cast in Dr Who - as the Master, the Doctor's evil nemesis. He'll be quite brilliant, of course, but heaven knows how he'll cope with a whole new horde of obsessive Tardis fans."
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I think I heared this was yet anouther Sun story. So, as always. Take with several hundred zillion billion truckloads of salt.
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Ok, I take it that the Sun is a dodgy newspaper in the UK. But what about the Independent?

Generally outpost gallifrey gives good info. There is also another rumour that someone else will play another Time Lord, however that seems to have been from the Sun as well, so I will hold off that one.
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That's the UK Newspaper industry for you, they all steal stories from each other without ever confirming it :P
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From Wiki, so take it with a pinch of salt
He is expected to be in the BBC science fiction series Doctor Who, where he is reported to be playing the Master, the Doctor's evil nemesis. The casting was first rumoured in the UK tabloid The Sun, which claimed that Simm would appear in a major twist at the end of the forthcoming third series.[2] He has since been interviewed by the Independent newspaper (on 11th February 2007), where he discussed the new series of Life On Mars. The article confirmed the casting, though there was not any direct quotes on the subject from Simm.[3] However, the casting has not yet been confirmed by the BBC.
But it seems like Simms confirmed he will be playing the Master when interviewed by the Independent, rather than just copying off what the Sun wrote. I suggest we wait for the BBC to confirm it, but if he independently confirmed it, it sounds a bit more credible than if it just came from a tabloid, so I am optimistic.

The original article from the Sun
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If any one is interested, it also mentioned Shakespearean actor Sir Derek Jacobi, 68, will play another Who foe — The Professor. This guy is apparently a Time Lord as well.

If this is the case, I vote for "Professor Chronatis" who appeared in the Tom Baker story Shada, which wasn't finished, but they released it on VHS with Baker doing the narration to fill in the unfilmed parts. Professor Chronatis of course turned out to the Time Lord criminal Scaleeven ? sp, a TL who developed vast mental powers and was imprisoned on Shada before he escaped.
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If any one is interested, it also mentioned Shakespearean actor Sir Derek Jacobi, 68, will play another Who foe — The Professor. This guy is apparently a Time Lord as well.
The Beeb has already confirmed Derek Jacobi. (he's the one meant to be play "The Professor" or some such,
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Claudius to play an evil time lord, COOL!
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The Yosemite Bear wrote:Claudius to play an evil time lord, COOL!
Hey, just have a look at him in Dead Again and as the wicked King Claudius in Kenneth Branaugh's lavish 4-hour film of Hamlet. Oh, Sir Derek can do evil, alright...

I suppose it was inevitable that the Time Lords would start creeping back into the new series. Personally, I'd have done their reintroduction a bit differently, held it off for a few more years, but we'll just see how this works out.
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There was a Time Lord called the Professor? According to Wikipedia, The Doctor was called that by one of his companions, Ace.
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The news actually sounds quite reliable (note, the Sun was the first to call the Cyberman - Dalek confrontation, long before anyone was willing to believe it). Other sources seem to be pretty much confirming it.

Personally? I think it's all the right ingredients for awesome pie. :)
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As much as I would love to have a new story featuring the master once again, I just really hope they handle his re-introduction carefully.
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The Master never did seem to be the type to listen to the TimeLords, so I can see how he'd ignore the call to the TimeWar.

Especially if that meddlesome Doctor was in the TimeWar. Let the fools fight, and the Master shall pick up the pieces of the aftermath.
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Vympel wrote:There was a Time Lord called the Professor? According to Wikipedia, The Doctor was called that by one of his companions, Ace.
There was also the Time Lord known as Professor Chronotis, who was lodging himself as a physics professor at Cambridge for his retirement (his dorm rooms were his TARDIS), who in actuality was Salyavin, an escapee from the Time Lords' prison world, Shada.

It would be more interesting if this Professor, rather than just a straight-out villain (or just another incarnation of the Master) was simply an antagonist; a man who may or may not hold the Doctor to blame for the destruction of their people. Perhaps a last survivor of the High Council. Or maybe from a faction of surviving Time Lords who are attempting to establish a new order but are wary of how the Doctor would react to their plans.
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And once more it's back the well.... :?
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Didn't Jacobi play the Master in Scream of the Shalka?
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DIdn't the Master get killed once and for all in the 8th Doctor's TV movie?
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2000AD wrote:DIdn't the Master get killed once and for all in the 8th Doctor's TV movie?
Yes. But he got killed "once and for all" before that, too. As have the Daleks, a number of times.

This is scifi, mate. There's no such thing as permanent unless the writers demand it. :)

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I haven't been following Dr. Who for that long but do the Time Lords ever encounter each other on a non-linear time line.

That kind of stuff seems to be really popular in various time travel stories so couldn't the current Dr. Who encounter a version of the Master (or other Time Lord for that mater) from before the Time War?

I would think it would be very difficult to have a whole society of time travelers bouncing around time and space encountering each other in different relative times.
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Tsyroc wrote:I haven't been following Dr. Who for that long but do the Time Lords ever encounter each other on a non-linear time line.

That kind of stuff seems to be really popular in various time travel stories so couldn't the current Dr. Who encounter a version of the Master (or other Time Lord for that mater) from before the Time War?

I would think it would be very difficult to have a whole society of time travelers bouncing around time and space encountering each other in different relative times.
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I believe the Time War worked by kind of retroactively destroying a lot of things, but I'm not sure. One way or another the Doctor sees going back to Gallifrey as impossible.
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mr friendly guy wrote:From Wiki, so take it with a pinch of salt
He is expected to be in the BBC science fiction series Doctor Who, where he is reported to be playing the Master, the Doctor's evil nemesis. The casting was first rumoured in the UK tabloid The Sun, which claimed that Simm would appear in a major twist at the end of the forthcoming third series.[2] He has since been interviewed by the Independent newspaper (on 11th February 2007), where he discussed the new series of Life On Mars. The article confirmed the casting, though there was not any direct quotes on the subject from Simm.[3] However, the casting has not yet been confirmed by the BBC.
But it seems like Simms confirmed he will be playing the Master when interviewed by the Independent, rather than just copying off what the Sun wrote. I suggest we wait for the BBC to confirm it, but if he independently confirmed it, it sounds a bit more credible than if it just came from a tabloid, so I am optimistic.

The original article from the Sun
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If any one is interested, it also mentioned Shakespearean actor Sir Derek Jacobi, 68, will play another Who foe — The Professor. This guy is apparently a Time Lord as well.

If this is the case, I vote for "Professor Chronatis" who appeared in the Tom Baker story Shada, which wasn't finished, but they released it on VHS with Baker doing the narration to fill in the unfilmed parts. Professor Chronatis of course turned out to the Time Lord criminal Scaleeven ? sp, a TL who developed vast mental powers and was imprisoned on Shada before he escaped.
an old foe makes me think about "The Monk" that appeard in the Daleks master plan in the Hartnell Era.
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and is this old man maby "The Monk"
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Tychu wrote:an old foe makes me think about "The Monk" that appeard in the Daleks master plan in the Hartnell Era.
now im just a new Whovian from America. but what ever happend to "The Monk" the guy with the Tardis that had the cloaking device that works?
and is this old man maby "The Monk"
Chamelion circuit —not cloaking device (thank you, Phil Segal, for that bit of bullshit).

The Monk, a.k.a the Meddler a.k.a. Mortimus, ended up stranded on an ice planet after the Doctor removed a critical component he needed for his own TARDIS to outrace the Daleks to Kembel. We never saw him again except in the Virgin Books DW novel No Future (Paul Cornell).
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Oh yeah, and I heard a rumour that Sir Derek Jacobi will regenerate into John Simm.
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Tsyroc wrote:I haven't been following Dr. Who for that long but do the Time Lords ever encounter each other on a non-linear time line.
It isn't unheard of (afterall, the doctor has met himself), but it doesn't generally happen. ISTM that there are two time dimensions, the first of which is relatively easy to travel in. The second applies to time travellers, so they still have a 'before' and 'after'. Occasionally some mishap leads to travel in this dimesion too, but it is rare and difficult (and possibly dangerous).

That's my $0.02, anyway.


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Time lords are forbidden to "cross their own time lines" and hence meet themselves at an earlier time. However this law seems to be a legal limitation rather than a limit of the laws of physics, as Time Lords have done it numerous times when it suited them to.
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