Wars Weapons Range

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-08-02 07:24pm

From Rebel Stand, pg 302
[q]Wedge raised his voice to carry over the babble, to quiet it. "The purpose of the Starlancer project is to dictate exactly when the Yuuzhan Vong in this system make their all out push agaist us. They 'know' that the weapon threatens them; they have the example of Anakin Solo's lambent-based lightsaber to compare it to, and to be offended by. They 'know' that we've appropriated their technology, and this galls them. They 'know' that once it's ready to fly, we can destroy their worldship in orbit around Coruscant; we faked up a low-power demonstration of this by positioning one of our capital ships outside the Coruscant system and firing off a laser battery attack at that worldship to coincide with the firing of our fake weapon array. So they 'know' that as soon as we float the fully operational version, they have to hit us with everything they've got.[/q]

So from outside the 10 planet system to the 4th planet. That's some nice range there.

And to the naysayers who will ask about why we never see that range used elsewhere, why should they use it? Try fighting at that range and your opponent will just hyper out of the engagement. If you close in, you limit their options.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2002-08-02 07:35pm

Funky. Can you post a quote stating that this weapon is in the 10th planet's orbit? I don't doubt you or claim you're lying, I'd just like to have this at my fingertips next time I debate Wars range.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-08-02 07:53pm

No, I can't.

It's outside the system, thus way past the 10th planet.

That quote there is exactly as appears in the book. Starlancer is a fake project to keep the Vong diverted while the Rep. Fleets regroup after coruscant.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-08-02 07:57pm

Curses, can't edit.

They series is split over 2 books. The first one gets you thinking the Republic built a superweapon that can fire across lightyears instantly, the second reveals it to be a hoax with the quote I provided.

Doomriser · Post by **Doomriser** » 2002-08-02 08:02pm

This would, however, indicate a lack of decent FTL sensors among the YV if they can't detect a starship at the system borders, nor a laser coming at them for several hours/days.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-08-02 08:50pm

Would this not agree with the plan for Hoth?

Doomriser · Post by **Doomriser** » 2002-08-02 08:55pm

Hoth indicated FTL sensors. I'm just making a note here. Besides, these are the Vong, not the Imps/Rebs. (Though one would assume that there is technological parity)

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-08-02 09:00pm

Doomriser wrote:Hoth indicated FTL sensors. I'm just making a note here. Besides, these are the Vong, not the Imps/Rebs. (Though one would assume that there is technological parity)

You misunderstand, I wasn't talking to you. But didn't someone once theorize the Imps planned to bomb Hoth from long range?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-08-03 01:07am

Doomriser wrote:This would, however, indicate a lack of decent FTL sensors among the YV if they can't detect a starship at the system borders, nor a laser coming at them for several hours/days.

No, not necessarily. Remember that there appeared to be only the worldship in Coruscant orbit, and that that ship was not really paying attention to its sensors. Also remember that the worldships are falling apart, and really in no condition to act as warships. Finally, the YV bottle up systems. The worldship and any escorts that we never hear from would have had no real reason to suspect an attack, at that point, from a ship outside the system. Their resources were focused inside the system, at the time.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-08-03 08:45am

Doomriser wrote:Besides, these are the Vong, not the Imps/Rebs. (Though one would assume that there is technological parity)

Then one would assume wrong. The Republic is signifigantly more advanced then the Vong, it is only the idiocy of the senate, traitors, sheer numbers and the intracicies of their technology that let the Vong advance this far. If you'll note, Now that the Republic understands more about vong tech, they have been kicking butt and taking names. Coruscant was taken through sheer weight of numbers, not advanced tech. It took them what, 7 fleets to do it with? (7 yammosks, 1 yammosk per fleet). Vong weapons are less powerful, their sensors screwed with with ease, their ships are slower, and their hulls are crap.

Doomriser · Post by **Doomriser** » 2002-08-03 11:33am

Okay, I honestly don't know enough about the YV to comment on them accurately.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-08-03 11:52am

Yes the NR is very outclassed, Besides the Rampent Corruption, Lack of Leadership and the whole fact the decent Leadership is working FOR the Vong by trying to get fleets killed of...

Seriously one big fubar'd goverment mess

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-08-03 01:05pm

Yeah, Vong hulls are crap. If it weren't for their ability to manipulate gravity, they would be nothing.

On the subject of weapon ranges some Trekkies think that SW Tl ranges are only a few kilometers.

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2002-08-03 01:17pm

Thw thing is right when a beam weapon is fired what is there to stop it from just travelling till it hits something?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-08-03 02:43pm

Crazy_Vasey wrote:The thing is right when a beam weapon is fired what is there to stop it from just travelling till it hits something?

The point here was
A) beat the hell out of the myth that TLs dissapate after a few hundred Km
B) Show that they could track, target, and hit something that far away. Now granted Worldships range from 10,000 meters - 900 miles in diameter, but that is still damn impressive

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2002-08-03 02:44pm

900 miles diameter

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-08-03 03:17pm

Well, the one under construction at seripandel was the size of the DS, so... yeah.

Course it seems that was a special one as it was designed to hold the inhabitants of several dying worldships, but it still establishes an upper limit.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-08-03 08:34pm

Ender wrote:Well, the one under construction at seripandel was the size of the DS, so... yeah.

Course it seems that was a special one as it was designed to hold the inhabitants of several dying worldships, but it still establishes an upper limit.

DS II was 900kilometers. 500 miles. Either way, worldships are some sizeable objects.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-08-03 08:51pm

Err not quite 500 Miles

More like 559Miles for a 900KM object(That is If I remeber it right as being .62 X KMs or 1.6 X Miles for KM's, err think I got that right)

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-08-03 09:07pm

My bad.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-08-03 09:42pm

It doesn't really matter how big the worldships are. The fact that it was hit from outside the system proves that TLs can shoot for parsecs. It also hints at the computing power of SW ships, since the shot has to be timed so that the worldship floats into the beam.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2002-08-03 09:51pm

No, not parsecs. A parsec is 3.3-odd light years, nearly as far as Earth to Alpha Centauri.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-08-03 09:54pm

You know what I mean. Fine, for astromical units (AU=93 million miles), then.

DarkStar · Post by **DarkStar** » 2002-08-06 07:03am

Hmm... funny that ranges can vary so dramatically:

" Corran glanced at his sensors, then up at the gas giant. Black specs rose up through the clouds, looking for a moment like insects trapped between two panes of transparisteel. Though kilometers distant, he knew what they were: TIE fighters, Interceptors, and Bombers."
" Because of the vast distances in space, the Rogues and their counterparts could see each other long before they could engage each other. Minutes would pass before they would close to effective fighting ranges. Having time to think about what was coming seldom did a warrior any good - and training was meant to take over when thought wasn't possible. You're leading Three Flight, Corran. Prep them for what's coming." [ "X-Wing: Isard's Revenge" p.182-3 ]

"Coming up and around, she dropped her Interceptor on his tail, but saw he already had ten kilometers worth of lead over her. Even with the Interceptor's greater speed, I won't catch him before he escapes the atmosphere and goes to lightspeed." [ "X-Wing: The Bacta War", p. 160 ]

"By shunting more energy to her engines, she could increase her speed, but her lasers would have no power to shoot Gavin when she caught him." [ "X-Wing: The Bacta War", p. 160 ]

"Yag'Dhul and its moons appeared as colorful spheres hanging in space. Silhouetted against Yag'Dhul's gray face, the space station appeared to be little more than a cross - insignificant and defenseless." [ "X-Wing: The Bacta War", p. 287 ]

" 'Have you spotted the Alderaanian War Cruiser yet?'
'Negative,' reported Drysso's aide. We are clear for a hundred kilometers around us, and Virulence is reporting similar clearance.'
'Push the sensor sphere out to wo hundred kilometers, Lieutenant Waroen, and keep scanning the fringes of the system for that War cruiser. Time to engagement?'
'Ten minutes to range.'
'Bring our shields up to full.'
'As ordered, sir.'
Drysso stroked his goatee as he watched the station grow larger." [ "X-Wing: The Bacta War", p. 287 ]

"'Bring the Y-wings up front. Let them think that's all we have." [ "X-Wing: Solo Command", p. 292 ]

"Several kilometers out from Mon Remonda, as they reached maximum firing range from the Y-wing squadrons, they opened up with a salvo of lasers, then broke around the Y-wing force in four groups, leaving the slower New Republic starfighters to turn awkwardly in their wake." [ "X-Wing: Solo Command", p. 292 ]

Of course, most of these involve fighters, but hitting a fighter-size target at shorter range shouldn't be that hard, if they can hit a much larger target at more distant range.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-08-06 07:52am

Idiotic logic in action

I won't bother through go through most of your post as its all from the same series of X-Wing Books which Glorfiy X-Wings and realy cut the ranges we see in what. Oh yes EVER OTHER BOOK AND THE MOVIES as being much longer

But this is just brillant

Of course, most of these involve fighters, but hitting a fighter-size target at shorter range shouldn't be that hard, if they can hit a much larger target at more distant range.

Leap in Logic
In an example its this, Say if I gave you a .22 Pistol Asked you to hit a Barn from Fifty feet
No Problem?
Ok hit a Gnat at 10 Feet same gun

And you see the problem....