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LOL Marijuana: Cancer Suppressant?

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Researchers surprised to find no link between marijuana, lung cancer wrote: Study's findings apply even to heavy pot smokers

Marc Kaufman, Washington Post

Friday, May 26, 2006

The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer.

The new findings "were against our expectations," said Dr. Donald Tashkin, a UCLA pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years.

"We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer and that the association would be more positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."

Federal health and drug enforcement officials have widely used Tashkin's previous work on marijuana to make the case that the drug is dangerous. Tashkin said that while he still believes marijuana is potentially harmful, its cancer-causing effects appear to be of less concern than previously thought.

Earlier work established that marijuana does contain cancer-causing chemicals as potentially harmful as those in tobacco, he said. However, marijuana also contains the chemical THC, which he said may kill aging cells and keep them from becoming cancerous.

Tashkin's study, funded by the National Institutes of Health's National Institute on Drug Abuse, involved 1,200 people in Los Angeles who had lung, neck or head cancer and an additional 1,040 people without cancer matched by age, sex and neighborhood.

They were all asked about their lifetime use of marijuana, tobacco and alcohol. The heaviest marijuana smokers had lit up more than 22,000 times, while moderately heavy usage was defined as smoking 11,000 to 22,000 marijuana cigarettes. Tashkin found that even the very heavy marijuana smokers showed no increased incidence of the three cancers studied.

"This is the largest case-control study ever done, and everyone had to fill out a very extensive questionnaire about marijuana use," he said. "Bias can creep into any research, but we controlled for as many confounding factors as we could, and so I believe these results have real meaning."

Tashkin's group at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA had hypothesized that marijuana would raise the risk of cancer on the basis of earlier small human studies, lab studies of animals and the fact that marijuana users inhale more deeply and generally hold smoke in their lungs longer than tobacco smokers -- exposing them to the dangerous chemicals for a longer time. In addition, Tashkin said, previous studies found that marijuana tar has 50 percent higher concentrations of chemicals linked to cancer than tobacco cigarette tar.

While no association between marijuana smoking and cancer was found, the study findings, presented to the American Thoracic Society International Conference this week, did find a 20-fold increase in lung cancer among people who smoked two or more packs of cigarettes a day.

The study was limited to people younger than 60 because those older than that were generally not exposed to marijuana use in their youth, when it is most frequently tried.

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This article appeared on page A - 2 of the San Francisco Chronicle
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I wouldn't get too excited yet.
Article wrote:The study was limited to people younger than 60 because those older than that were generally not exposed to marijuana use in their youth, when it is most frequently tried.
New South Wales Cancer Council wrote:Age at Diagnosis

* The majority of cancers (68% for males and females collectively) occurred in people aged up to 74 years with almost one third of cancers (32%) being diagnosed after the 75th birthday.
* The median age at diagnosis of cancer was 69 years for males and 66 years for females.
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Um, Einy, not having a correlation doesn't make it a suppressant. In fact, being a suppressant would require there being a negative correlation.
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Darth Servo wrote:Um, Einy, not having a correlation doesn't make it a suppressant. In fact, being a suppressant would require there being a negative correlation.
Don't let that stop the over eager attempts to celebrate marijuana as some sort of miracle drug in an attempt to justify its use.
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Whenever I see a study that's based on statistics and attempts to refute medical arguments based on known properties of chemical constituents, I have to be quite skeptical. This is exactly the same thing they've been doing with second-hand cigarette smoke. It's also the same thing they did with first-hand cigarette smoke 30 years ago.
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It would be interesting to know how the statistics is derived.
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I kind of liked the part about how they thought it might prevent cancer by killing ageing cells before they became cancerous.

Um, not all older cells are going to become cancerous so going by that marijuana is just killing cells.
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Tsyroc wrote:I kind of liked the part about how they thought it might prevent cancer by killing ageing cells before they became cancerous.

Um, not all older cells are going to become cancerous so going by that marijuana is just killing cells.
I was always under the impression that age was INVERSELY correlated. Cells that never reproduce and thus are very old (e.g. nerve cells) don't tend to create tumors. Its the rapidly dividing cells (e.g. the stem cells in the bone marrow that produce blood) that are the source of cancer. When one gets a brain tumor, its the schwan cells and other support cells that produces the tumor, not the neurons.
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Well, this is already old news and should be taken with a handful of salt, but apparently the concept of using marijuana to treat tumor's has some basis

"An ingredient in marijuana may be useful for treating brain cancers, say Spanish researchers from Madrid." Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3561686.stm
Grandtheftcow wrote:Don't let that stop the over eager attempts to celebrate marijuana as some sort of miracle drug in an attempt to justify its use.
Why should anyone try to justify smoking weed? If someone wants to smoke weed and doesnt have a problem with it, I see no reason for that someone to start justifying it. Oh, and medical marijuana is not an oxymoron last time I checked.
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Rightous Fist Of Heaven wrote:Why should anyone try to justify smoking weed? If someone wants to smoke weed and doesnt have a problem with it, I see no reason for that someone to start justifying it. Oh, and medical marijuana is not an oxymoron last time I checked.
Because drug users be it alcohol, tobacco, crack, prescription drugs, marijuana etc like to think their habits are socially accepted and completely justifiable.

Why do you think the pot users on this board are so quick to latch onto these threads?
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Grandtheftcow wrote:
Rightous Fist Of Heaven wrote:Why should anyone try to justify smoking weed? If someone wants to smoke weed and doesnt have a problem with it, I see no reason for that someone to start justifying it. Oh, and medical marijuana is not an oxymoron last time I checked.
Because drug users be it alcohol, tobacco, crack, prescription drugs, marijuana etc like to think their habits are socially accepted and completely justifiable.

Why do you think the pot users on this board are so quick to latch onto these threads?
See, this type of thread is something even I'd be skeptical of. I have a hard time believing something you'd inhale and has several odd chemicals doesn't lead to lung cancer if done excessively. My personal main gripe is the idiotic and unproductive war on drugs, which criminalizes smoking marijuana and lumps it in the same category as harsher substances, creating a massive influx and waste of resources for the prisons.

Considering that marijuana's relatively harmless compared to tobacco, which actually is physically addictive, there's no real justifiable reason to outlaw it and have absurd fines while people that smoke tobacco, something far more addicting, get off scot free. So anything that helps legalize, or at least decriminalize one of the more harmless drugs is usually a good thing.
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General Zod wrote:See, this type of thread is something even I'd be skeptical of. I have a hard time believing something you'd inhale and has several odd chemicals doesn't lead to lung cancer if done excessively. My personal main gripe is the idiotic and unproductive war on drugs, which criminalizes smoking marijuana and lumps it in the same category as harsher substances, creating a massive influx and waste of resources for the prisons.

Considering that marijuana's relatively harmless compared to tobacco, which actually is physically addictive, there's no real justifiable reason to outlaw it and have absurd fines while people that smoke tobacco, something far more addicting, get off scot free. So anything that helps legalize, or at least decriminalize one of the more harmless drugs is usually a good thing.
On this I agree. Decriminalize it and subject it to the same regulation tobacco faces. Let the government reap the benefits.

The legalization of pot would also be a sweet gift for anti-smoking groups who could use it to further push their agenda.
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Grandtheftcow wrote:Because drug users be it alcohol, tobacco, crack, prescription drugs, marijuana etc like to think their habits may one day be socially accepted and are justifiable enough to continue.
Fixed. :wink:
Grandtheftcow wrote:Why do you think the pot users on this board are so quick to latch onto these threads?
Users of pot are by definition at least somewhat careless about their health but are not for the most part actively suicidal. Do you really need me to add this one up for you? I suspect that even among people who are actively suicidal, it would be difficult to find one who hopes for lung cancer.

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Grandtheftcow wrote:
Rightous Fist Of Heaven wrote:Why should anyone try to justify smoking weed? If someone wants to smoke weed and doesnt have a problem with it, I see no reason for that someone to start justifying it. Oh, and medical marijuana is not an oxymoron last time I checked.
Because drug users be it alcohol, tobacco, crack, prescription drugs, marijuana etc like to think their habits are socially accepted and completely justifiable.

Why do you think the pot users on this board are so quick to latch onto these threads?
Umm, I see a bit of a dilemma here. Most people who do smoke weed dont think its acceptable on the general level of society, because it isnt. Except in Amsterdam, a.k.a Mushroom Kingdom or something like that. On another note, as pointed out by others here, there is no longer (nor there ever has been) a good, justifiable reason to ban the usage of marijuana. Especially when it is a less dangerous/hazardous substance than either alcohol or tobacco.
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Rightous Fist Of Heaven wrote:Umm, I see a bit of a dilemma here. Most people who do smoke weed dont think its acceptable on the general level of society, because it isnt.
Come on. How many pot smokers actually agree with it being illegal? Because unless they do agree, then they most certainly disagree with that statement of its social acceptableness. How can someone see a given activity as socially unacceptable when they want it legalized?

Many tobacco smokers actually think thier poisonous habbit should be treated as a damned RIGHT! They think they have a right to pump carcinogens into the air everyone else breathes.
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Rightous Fist Of Heaven wrote:Umm, I see a bit of a dilemma here. Most people who do smoke weed dont think its acceptable on the general level of society, because it isnt.
If they thought it was wrong in anyway then they wouldn't bother with it right?

After all according to them it isn't addictive and it doesn't have any psychological effects therefore they must smoke it just because they want to.

Also why do you think the vast majority of pot smokers believe most of the population supports them and that it's just "the man" or archaic laws that are holding them back?
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I wouldn't write off the lunacy of the pro-pot crowd quite yet. As far as I can tell, all of the big marijuana legalization websites go far beyond the prohibition argument and make it sound like marijuana is as healthy as eating your vegetables.
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Darth Wong wrote:Whenever I see a study that's based on statistics and attempts to refute medical arguments based on known properties of chemical constituents, I have to be quite skeptical. This is exactly the same thing they've been doing with second-hand cigarette smoke. It's also the same thing they did with first-hand cigarette smoke 30 years ago.
One should take anything proved with statistics with skeptisism, but in this case I'm leaning towards its probably true since this particular 'scientist' is going out of his way to try to find things to label pot as 'more dangerous than alcohol' to refute the prohabition argument.
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Darth Servo wrote:
Rightous Fist Of Heaven wrote:Umm, I see a bit of a dilemma here. Most people who do smoke weed dont think its acceptable on the general level of society, because it isnt.
Come on. How many pot smokers actually agree with it being illegal? Because unless they do agree, then they most certainly disagree with that statement of its social acceptableness. How can someone see a given activity as socially unacceptable when they want it legalized?

Many tobacco smokers actually think thier poisonous habbit should be treated as a damned RIGHT! They think they have a right to pump carcinogens into the air everyone else breathes.
I concur, most pot smokers dont agree with it being illegal. However, I was speaking from my own experience with this particular group of people rather than trying to generalize, e.g the pot smokers I know generally agree that it is not socially acceptable even though they see very little reason for it to be illegal. This however (atleast in Finland) is mostly due to the ignorance of the general populace and society when it comes to the facts about marijuana. Although, I would agree that most pot smokers (if not all) would atleast wish it to be an accepted habit in the general levels of society.

I think that those who do smoke tobacco do have the right to smoke it, to the point when they dont harm anyone else with it.
Grandtheftcow wrote:If they thought it was wrong in anyway then they wouldn't bother with it right?

After all according to them it isn't addictive and it doesn't have any psychological effects therefore they must smoke it just because they want to.

Also why do you think the vast majority of pot smokers believe most of the population supports them and that it's just "the man" or archaic laws that are holding them back?
Again, from my own experience with them, pot smokers dont really care much if the general society doesnt accept their habit, or if the legal system frowns upon it. This is largely due to the general levels of ignorance and misinformation when it comes to marijuana (again, atleast in Finland). The general populace frowns upon smoking weed because its a drug, and everyone "knows" drugs are bad. They immediately think the horror tales they have heard of heroin, meth or crack users and generalize weed smokers to belong to the same group with any other drug addict. Which is why most of the pot smokers I know dont really care if its accetable in the society in general or in the legal system.

You're generalizing. Not every pot smoker thinks marijuana isnt addictive, nor does every pot smoker thing that it can have psychological effects. However, the addictiveness of marijuana is often greatly overestimated along with its psychological effects.

In regards to the vast majority of pot smokers thinking that the society accepts their habit, I can only speak of my own country in this regard and have to say that this isnt true atleast in Finland. No pot smoker I know has illusions of the society accepting their habit in general and it being only the legal system that is wrong. In here, the opposition to marijuana is evident both in the general populace and in the government. Which is hardly surprising when we have politicians and self-proclaimed experts claiming that marijuana is just as bad as heroin.
Darth Wong wrote:I wouldn't write off the lunacy of the pro-pot crowd quite yet. As far as I can tell, all of the big marijuana legalization websites go far beyond the prohibition argument and make it sound like marijuana is as healthy as eating your vegetables.
Which it isnt most certainly. In Finland atleast the pro-pot crowd is more in line of trying to tell the actual truth (or most of it) about marijuana. Most pot smokers (or atleast those I know) here have realized that they are in no better position to support their argument if they start lying about weed. Since our "drug education" programs in school do that enough already.
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[quote"myself"]You're generalizing. Not every pot smoker thinks marijuana isnt addictive, nor does every pot smoker thing that it can have psychological effects. However, the addictiveness of marijuana is often greatly overestimated along with its psychological effects. [/quote]

Damn, meant to say that nor does every pot smoker thinK that it CANT have psychological effects on the user. [/quote]
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