Civil War #7 - Spoilers

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2007-02-21 02:31pm

Cap decides that fighting causes harm and surrenders, everybody else except five or six guys decides that registration isn't bad after all.

We get treated to a love letter ending from Millar to Tony Stark about how there will be no more crime and the super humans will solve world hunger and global warming.

You might have guessed I wasn't impressed.

Although Herc smashing Clor's face in was cool.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2007-02-21 03:03pm

And lo and behold, we have another Infinite Crisis clone in every respect: Good start, goes downhill after the fourth issue, and falls apart completely in the final part. God, please let the Hulk actually kick these guys' asses come summer.

KrauserKrauser · Post by **KrauserKrauser** » 2007-02-21 03:06pm

What the fuck?

You're kidding right?

Iron Man needs to die god damnit.

Please tell me you are kidding.

PLEASE!

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2007-02-21 03:15pm

I haven't been reading the actual comics (although I did see the "dubbed" Civil War parodies which were the same except for the dialogue), but I've been keeping up with this on the internet.

Captain America, who has been through actual war and faced world and universe-destroying threats, suddenly decides that the property damage caused in this issue's battle was going too far? Just like that he gives up, even though he's sure in his heart that registration is wrong? My ass.

Disgruntled comic fans are calling this ending completely anticlimatic, and are already expecting all the changes from Civil War to be reversed in a few months by this summer's "big crossover event," World War Hulk (yes, they already had another crossover event planned before Civil War was even finished).

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2007-02-21 03:19pm

KrauserKrauser wrote:What the fuck?

You're kidding right?

Iron Man needs to die god damnit.

Please tell me you are kidding.

PLEASE!

I would very much like to but I can't.

If you manage to keep your stomach contents down after seeing the last panel of Stark and Miriam Sharpe looking into the sun signifying the bold new future (with Stark saying the best is yet to come)then you will have won a great victory.

Oh the plush side he calls her "sweetheart" so I betting within a couple of minutes he christened his new quarters on the Helicarrier (oh yeah he is the new Director of SHIELD), nothing like taking advantage of a grieving mother eh Tony.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2007-02-21 03:24pm

Jim Raynor wrote:I haven't been reading the actual comics (although I did see the "dubbed" Civil War parodies which were the same except for the dialogue), but I've been keeping up with this on the internet.

Captain America, who has been through actual war and faced world and universe-destroying threats, suddenly decides that the property damage caused in this issue's battle was going too far? Just like that he gives up, even though he's sure in his heart that registration is wrong? My ass.

He says something about how they are just fighting for fighting sake (when the damage is pointed out to him) and they can't win the argument through fighting (I could have told him that 6 issues back).

Of course he started getting upset when police men and firemen attacked him to save Tony Stark(vomit inducing scene # 2).

He even starts crying.

Disgruntled comic fans are calling this ending completely anticlimatic, and are already expecting all the changes from Civil War to be reversed in a few months by this summer's "big crossover event," World War Hulk (yes, they already had another crossover event planned before Civil War was even finished).

I think you are confusing expect with hope, everybody is hoping that registration and Stark will get hammered by the Hulk but I'm not sure it will.

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2007-02-21 03:45pm

Dont forget that Reed and Tonly will get their asses kicked by Thor when he returns. And when they die he'll give them too Hel.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2007-02-21 03:46pm

Reed promised no more clones so he could back into Sue unmentionables so Clor may be a thing of the past.

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2007-02-21 04:15pm

I think it was more along the lines of Cap tired of fighting friends instead of just fighting in general.

Most world-destroying threats aren't your former friends and allies.

Unless it's anime, then it's a given.

Darwin · Post by **Darwin** » 2007-02-21 04:22pm

Dude, what the hell? This is just sad, and all but confirms my suspicions of a Crisis-like continuity "adjustment" coming up soon.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2007-02-21 04:30pm

Majin Gojira wrote:I think it was more along the lines of Cap tired of fighting friends instead of just fighting in general.

The civilians didn't say look your beating up Ironman they pointed out the damage to the city (and the comic then gives us a panel of the damage) before Cap goes "Oh God".

He doesn't once mention that fact that he is fighting his "friends" (personally anybody who tries to throw me in an extra dimensional concentration camp is off the Christmas card list).

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2007-02-21 04:33pm

In conjunction with?

Okay, I haven't read it yet, I'm still trying to peice togther what happened and make what logic I can of it.

If not normal logic than emotional logic.

KrauserKrauser · Post by **KrauserKrauser** » 2007-02-21 04:36pm

God Fucking Damnit, they had a great ippirtunity in Civil War but of course fucking wasted it. Talk about a case of Comic blue balls, that is the weakest ending I could have imagined.

So, basically, all of the anti registration people are going to sit on their fucking hands as the government runs hog wild on them, no objections to the idea of using super villains as a fighting force?

I don't see it at all. it's like the writers must have just decided, what is the lamest most idiotic cop out you guys can think of? Completely ignore one side of the argument and just have Iron Man win? Good, let me go fuck myslef with my Iron Man replica doll and shit of the rest of the plot line.

I don't get it, I really don't. You had Inifinite Crisis as a great example of what not to do. DON'T make a huge crossover and have nothing lasting happen in the end. DON'T get your fans' expectations of a huge fight with actual consequences up and then drop it in the last inning.

I really enjoyed Civil War, at least teh first few episodes of it. They continually wrote Iron Man and the pro reg people as the biggest dicks in the universe and then they have their side win? When their side is implementing a draft and even used FUCKING SUPER VILLAINS in it's plans to win the war? Talk about morally bankrupt, it's not even sane, whoever wrote this abomination needs to be fired, black balled in the industry or at least hired with DC to accentuate teh giant blakc hole of suck that DC has become.

Unless, in the first issue of World War Hulk, the Hulk arrives on Earth and physically rips Iron Man in half and proceeds have sex with either half, I won't fucking read it. There is no point. They obviously aren't going to have any lasting consequences, unless you wank off to obscure heroes that they randomly throw in to show the seriousness of the event (Hello Goliath and random villains killed by the Punisher). What is the point? They had a great opportunity and succeeded in wasting it.

I think I'll skip Marvel until I see what happens with Hulk, unless they kill Iron Man or Reed, I could give two shits.

KrauserKrauser · Post by **KrauserKrauser** » 2007-02-21 04:37pm

TheDarkling wrote:Reed promised no more clones so he could back into Sue unmentionables so Clor may be a thing of the past.

Cop out. He should be brought up on criminal charges. He killed Goliath, everyone else is just fine with that?

Bullshit, plain and simple.

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2007-02-21 04:38pm

TheDarkling wrote:The civilians didn't say look your beating up Ironman they pointed out the damage to the city (and the comic then gives us a panel of the damage) before Cap goes "Oh God".

And that's what I find retarded. Cap has basically seen it all, and some property damage is supposed to disturb him so much? I could maybe believe that if New York really gets fucked up, but that's not what I'm hearing.

What Cap really should be thinking is "Is what I'm fighting for worth causing this damage?" And what he's fighting for is saving dozens of his comrades from being locked up in a thinly-veiled Gitmo in some other dimension, or being forced into a government-controlled superhuman army.

There's one obvious solution if he suddenly realizes that fighting won't do any good: run away, go underground, and keep up the superheroics (which is what they were doing earlier in the series) while saving other heroes and trying to sway the public and the government against the Registration Act. There's no need for big battles like what happened in issue #7, but that doesn't mean he has to surrendur either.

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2007-02-21 04:43pm

TheDarkling wrote:I think you are confusing expect with hope, everybody is hoping that registration and Stark will get hammered by the Hulk but I'm not sure it will.

No, I'm not. While I'm sure a lot of fans do want that to happen (not surprising giving the way they've portrayed Iron Man recently), I've also seen lots of cynical fans pointing out that Marvel has already given itself numerous "outs" or already reversed the changes caused by Civil War. Many of them expect that the anti-Registration heroes would be let off the hook so they can help out in World War Hulk

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2007-02-21 04:47pm

The worst of it was that they were winning the battle, Clor was down, Stark was crippled, Reed had been shot by one of the villains on his side, the Atlanteans were kicking but and so on.

Cap just gets misty eyed about some property damage (as you put it) and the fact that they are no longer fighting for the people (which he is even if the people are too stupid to realise it).

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2007-02-21 04:54pm

Jim Raynor wrote:
Disgruntled comic fans are calling this ending completely anticlimatic, and are already expecting all the changes from Civil War to be reversed in a few months by this summer's "big crossover event," World War Hulk (yes, they already had another crossover event planned before Civil War was even finished).

*bzzzzt* wrong answer, they had it planned before they had Civil War planned, it was suppose to be the follow-up to Planet Hulk.

Edward Yee · Post by **Edward Yee** » 2007-02-21 05:56pm

... *decides to stick to Punisher MAX*

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2007-02-21 05:58pm

So, let's take bets. Which Mark Millar-helmed project will have the greater cop-out of an ending: Civil War # 7 or Ultimates 2 # 13 will

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2007-02-21 06:02pm

JME2 wrote:So, let's take bets. Which Mark Millar-helmed project will have the greater cop-out of an ending: Civil War # 7 or Ultimates 2 # 13 will

I wasn't impressed by 12 to tell you the truth, felt like all build up (in the previous issues) and then just a books worth of punching.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2007-02-21 06:03pm

Edward Yee wrote:... *decides to stick to Punisher MAX*

Have you read the first issue of the Barracuda mini?

Manus Celer Dei · Post by **Manus Celer Dei** » 2007-02-21 06:15pm

I thought it was really good ending, actually. Totally believable for Cap to do, and one of the few times I've respected the character.

And it wasn't just "property damage" that stopped him, it was the fact that innocent people were getting injured and killed because of the superheroes fighting. People were dying as a direct result of Captain America and his resistances actions. We saw some of the fight at ground-level in Frontline #10, although most were evacuated quickly, when the fight moved to the streets there was still a whole lot of civilians around and a whole lot of collateral damage.

Other high points:

Spiderman kicking Reed in the neck.
Hercules putting the clone in his place. "THOU ART NO THOR!"
Namor and his posse showing up. Gotta love the ol' IMPERIUS REX! battlecry.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2007-02-21 06:19pm

Manus Celer Dei wrote:I thought it was really good ending, actually. Totally believable for Cap to do, and one of the few times I've respected the character.

And it wasn't just "property damage" that stopped him, it was the fact that innocent people were getting injured and killed because of the superheroes fighting. People were dying as a direct result of Captain America and his resistances actions. We saw some of the fight at ground-level in Frontline #10, although most were evacuated quickly, when the fight moved to the streets there was still a whole lot of civilians around and a whole lot of collateral damage.

That always happens, I haven't seen Cap decide to just lay down arms when fighting other villains.

He also had to know that it would lead to this, war has collateral damage, Steve was around in WW2 when we were levelling entire areas of cities for objectives.

It also amazes me that it only just occurred to him.

une · Post by **une** » 2007-02-21 06:32pm

A dissapointing ending, for a dissapointing mini series. That's really all that needs to be said about Civil War. Hopefully World War Hulk will be better.