Best angry wizard scene in fantasy?
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Best angry wizard scene in fantasy?
Simple question really. I nominate Pug/Milamber from Raymond Feist's Magician.
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Akka's rage in The Warrior-Prophet, where he lays waste to an entire villa including a garrison of crack troops, three sorcerers, and a bad ass demon.
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Nothing beats the original with Gandalf; there's just so many too.
'Ai! ai!' wailed Legolas. 'A Balrog! A Balrog is come!'
Gimli stared with wide eyes. 'Durin's Bane!' he cried, and letting his axe fall he covered his face.
'A Balrog,' muttered Gandalf. 'Now I understand.' He faltered and leaned heavily on his staff. 'What an evil fortune! And I am already weary.'
- J.R.R Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
Gimli stared with wide eyes. 'Durin's Bane!' he cried, and letting his axe fall he covered his face.
'A Balrog,' muttered Gandalf. 'Now I understand.' He faltered and leaned heavily on his staff. 'What an evil fortune! And I am already weary.'
- J.R.R Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
Re: Best angry wizard scene in fantasy?
That was awesome.kinnison wrote:Simple question really. I nominate Pug/Milamber from Raymond Feist's Magician.
Even if the scale of what he did, sort of pails to what he's actually capable of (via hyperbole through out the series), the scene was just awesome.
The righteous fury displayed, the sheer POWER being unleashed, and any and all who challenged him were wasted of their strength!
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Plus, in 'Servant of the Empire' we got a second viewing from not so quite good seats, and it only added to the awesomeness!
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He only really got angry in the end of Grave Peril, but Jim Butcher's Harry Dresden does have some of the most badass wizard sequences. Grave Peril had him cutting loose and leveling a gold coast mansion with a firestorm when he was at an almost insignificant fraction of his total power due to an earlier attack. Summer Knight's staff vs sword sequence against the farie knight that ended with Harry pulling a .357 and shooting the motherfucker was short but sweet. And I can't really think of anything that can every come close to touching the sheer fanboy giddyness to his soultion to a zombie army in Dead Beat.
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I'll agree with that one. Gandalf was always the awesome wizard that could kill everyone in the blink of an eye and just decided not too. Case in point, the hill scene from the first book where he kills all the wolves.Balrog wrote:Nothing beats the original with Gandalf; there's just so many too.
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Nothing quite beats Dark Schneider's fury upon hearing Gara gloating about having taken Yoko's virginity. He blew up a multi-dozen-storey building with his next spell (which he cast with an arm cut, while containing a supersonic eviscerating ranged attack from a magical katana). The funny thing is that, until that, Gara appeared to be winning the fight.
YES! That single act is the main reason I want to see them do a TV version of Dead Beat.Ender wrote:He only really got angry in the end of Grave Peril, but Jim Butcher's Harry Dresden does have some of the most badass wizard sequences. Grave Peril had him cutting loose and leveling a gold coast mansion with a firestorm when he was at an almost insignificant fraction of his total power due to an earlier attack. Summer Knight's staff vs sword sequence against the farie knight that ended with Harry pulling a .357 and shooting the motherfucker was short but sweet. And I can't really think of anything that can every come close to touching the sheer fanboy giddyness to his soultion to a zombie army in Dead Beat.
I have to confess a love for Gandalf's stand against the balrog, though. Just a classic scene.
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In that whole fight, the best part by far was when Gara was monologueing, ignorant of the fact that Dark Schneider was pissed off enough, right behind him, to be comparable to to some super-saiyon DBZ character. The expression on Gara's face when he turns and sees this is simply priceless.The Nomad wrote:Nothing quite beats Dark Schneider's fury upon hearing Gara gloating about having taken Yoko's virginity. He blew up a multi-dozen-storey building with his next spell (which he cast with an arm cut, while containing a supersonic eviscerating ranged attack from a magical katana). The funny thing is that, until that, Gara appeared to be winning the fight.
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If we're mentioning Discworld books then Grann Weatherwax has some most impressive scenes.Psychodelica wrote:I want to add the Ridcully vesus shoppingwagons scene in "Reaper Man" by Terry Pratchett.
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From her dispersing the Wintersmith (Elder "God"/anthromorph) of Winter to her showdown with the Queen of Faery to stalemating and slowly overwhelming the Arch-chancellor of UU (In Equal rites) and causing reality to melt as a side-effect, or the vampires.
Still these are not as good as Gandalf ("You shall. NOT PASS!" etc'), Milamber (Black robes? What black robes?) or Akka. (I fucking love those scenes)"After Vampires bit her they started drinking tea!"
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...when did Granny Weatherwax disperse the Wintersmith? It was Tiffany who did her 'calling down the sun' bit.DEATH wrote:If we're mentioning Discworld books then Grann Weatherwax has some most impressive scenes.Psychodelica wrote:I want to add the Ridcully vesus shoppingwagons scene in "Reaper Man" by Terry Pratchett.
Gotta love Ridcully...
From her dispersing the Wintersmith (Elder "God"/anthromorph) of Winter to her showdown with the Queen of Faery to stalemating and slowly overwhelming the Arch-chancellor of UU (In Equal rites) and causing reality to melt as a side-effect, or the vampires.Still these are not as good as Gandalf ("You shall. NOT PASS!" etc'), Milamber (Black robes? What black robes?) or Akka. (I fucking love those scenes)"After Vampires bit her they started drinking tea!"
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I was talking about the manga version (with a close-up on DS's face while he screams : "I'm gonna blast your sorry ass!" or something like that right after Gara thinks that his morale and will to fight will drop), but the anime one is cool as well (though DS lets himself be cut in half there - in the manga, he just gets his arm chopped off, then turns angry and casts Megadeath while effortlessly deflecting a ranged Murasame strike).Oni Koneko Damien wrote:In that whole fight, the best part by far was when Gara was monologueing, ignorant of the fact that Dark Schneider was pissed off enough, right behind him, to be comparable to to some super-saiyon DBZ character. The expression on Gara's face when he turns and sees this is simply priceless.
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She temporarily dispersed it after Tiffany had gone out into the Snow-storm (She walked through it forcing it to start reconstituting after recovering).Molyneux wrote:...when did Granny Weatherwax disperse the Wintersmith? It was Tiffany who did her 'calling down the sun' bit.DEATH wrote:If we're mentioning Discworld books then Grann Weatherwax has some most impressive scenes.Psychodelica wrote:I want to add the Ridcully vesus shoppingwagons scene in "Reaper Man" by Terry Pratchett.
Gotta love Ridcully...
From her dispersing the Wintersmith (Elder "God"/anthromorph) of Winter to her showdown with the Queen of Faery to stalemating and slowly overwhelming the Arch-chancellor of UU (In Equal rites) and causing reality to melt as a side-effect, or the vampires.Still these are not as good as Gandalf ("You shall. NOT PASS!" etc'), Milamber (Black robes? What black robes?) or Akka. (I fucking love those scenes)"After Vampires bit her they started drinking tea!"
Tiffany did "defeat" it for good though (And also had a good scene against the Queen of Faerie, even if it wasn't anywhere nearly as impressive "visually" or over-all compared to other examples)
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Ah, I forgot about that scene; rather silly of me considering I re-read it about three weeks ago. ^_^;DEATH wrote:She temporarily dispersed it after Tiffany had gone out into the Snow-storm (She walked through it forcing it to start reconstituting after recovering).Molyneux wrote:...when did Granny Weatherwax disperse the Wintersmith? It was Tiffany who did her 'calling down the sun' bit.DEATH wrote: If we're mentioning Discworld books then Grann Weatherwax has some most impressive scenes.
From her dispersing the Wintersmith (Elder "God"/anthromorph) of Winter to her showdown with the Queen of Faery to stalemating and slowly overwhelming the Arch-chancellor of UU (In Equal rites) and causing reality to melt as a side-effect, or the vampires. Still these are not as good as Gandalf ("You shall. NOT PASS!" etc'), Milamber (Black robes? What black robes?) or Akka. (I fucking love those scenes)
Tiffany did "defeat" it for good though (And also had a good scene against the Queen of Faerie, even if it wasn't anywhere nearly as impressive "visually" or over-all compared to other examples)
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WTF? Excluding The Hobbit, in which Gandalf was basically fucking about, Gandalf was never in a situation where he was just toying with his opponents. He faced the Balrog knowing that the Balrog was a match for him, and of course he was right, seeing as the Balrog killed him. When he faced the Witch King, he didn't seem to think that his victory was a foregone conclusion (my greatest LOTR regreat is that we never see that fight). He managed to get captured by Saruman and needed his staff to free Theoden from Saruman's influence. And of course, he was sent as a team of five wizards to help defeat Sauron, why would the Valar send five wizards if Gandalf could own Sauron at will?I'll agree with that one. Gandalf was always the awesome wizard that could kill everyone in the blink of an eye and just decided not too.
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Actually we did in the extended version. It sucked donkey balls with the Witch King shattering Gandalf's staff with ease and sending him flying (As opposed to the book version of the events or the Mouth of Sauron)skotos wrote:When he faced the Witch King, he didn't seem to think that his victory was a foregone conclusion (my greatest LOTR regreat is that we never see that fight).
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Yeah, but that was for cinematic reasons... had Gandalf been able to deal with the Witch King, the dramatic scene with the Witch King's death would have not been very impressive...DEATH wrote:Actually we did in the extended version. It sucked donkey balls with the Witch King shattering Gandalf's staff with ease and sending him flying (As opposed to the book version of the events or the Mouth of Sauron)skotos wrote:When he faced the Witch King, he didn't seem to think that his victory was a foregone conclusion (my greatest LOTR regreat is that we never see that fight).
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You'll notice that all those times he was up against a foe of equal or greater; when we see him up against the normal people, he literally could've killed them in the blink of an eye. See what happened when the Three Hunters mistook him for Saruman and proceeded to get 'wtfpwned'.skotos wrote:-snip-
...so?and needed his staff to free Theoden from Saruman's influence.
Because the whole point was that they weren't suppose to go crashing through the countryside like an angry god laying waste to all in sight. They were suppose to inspire, to help in a low-profile manner, and working under those conditions the more the better.And of course, he was sent as a team of five wizards to help defeat Sauron, why would the Valar send five wizards if Gandalf could own Sauron at will?
'Ai! ai!' wailed Legolas. 'A Balrog! A Balrog is come!'
Gimli stared with wide eyes. 'Durin's Bane!' he cried, and letting his axe fall he covered his face.
'A Balrog,' muttered Gandalf. 'Now I understand.' He faltered and leaned heavily on his staff. 'What an evil fortune! And I am already weary.'
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Gimli stared with wide eyes. 'Durin's Bane!' he cried, and letting his axe fall he covered his face.
'A Balrog,' muttered Gandalf. 'Now I understand.' He faltered and leaned heavily on his staff. 'What an evil fortune! And I am already weary.'
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skotos wrote:OP doesn't say "Best Wizard Toying with Enemy scene", it says "Favorite angry wizard scene" which I also interpret to mean "Simply Badass Scene". Remember the wolf scene, where he bathes a whole hillside in fire and kills every single one of the wolves? That's a cool scene, for me at least.Gandalf was never in a situation where he was just toying with his opponents.
And the Balrog scene was truly amazing. Note, he did kill the Balrog, on his own. A whole nation of Dwarves was driven out by said Balrog. That he died at the end really is immaterial
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That's true, and in fact if you reread my orignal reply, you'll see that I agree. Neverthless, this is what I was responding to:Balrog wrote:You'll notice that all those times he was up against a foe of equal or greater; when we see him up against the normal people, he literally could've killed them in the blink of an eye.
Emphasis added.Lord Relvenous wrote:Gandalf was always the awesome wizard that could kill everyone in the blink of an eye and just decided not too.
Note that Lord Relvenous asserted that Gandalf could kill anyone in the blink of an eye, and simply chose not to. And yet, as you state, he was frequently faced with foes that were "equal or greater", which would seem to imply that Lord Relvenous was mistaken.
You're quite correct, my apologies for misunderstanding and not reading the OP carefully enough. I was reacting to the content of your post (quoted above) which is quite inaccurate, nevertheless, I actually agree with your example: That is a very cool example of an angry wizrd. So assuming you realize that Gandalf was not a world conquering bad ass, we don't have any disagreement.Lord Relvenous wrote:OP doesn't say "Best Wizard Toying with Enemy scene", it says "Favorite angry wizard scene" which I also interpret to mean "Simply Badass Scene". Remember the wolf scene, where he bathes a whole hillside in fire and kills every single one of the wolves? That's a cool scene, for me at least.
I agree with all of the above except the last sentence. In my mind, the Balrog scene (really, the entire time in Moria) is the best part of the series, and certanily the best part of the movies. But the fact that he dies at the end is far from immaterial, it shows that the Balrog was a real challenge, indeed a fatal challenge.Lord Relvenous wrote:And the Balrog scene was truly amazing. Note, he did kill the Balrog, on his own. A whole nation of Dwarves was driven out by said Balrog. That he died at the end really is immaterial
Basically, all I was reacting to was your assertion that Gandalf would simply sweep his enemies aside, when in fact he faced very difficult enemies and very real challenges, and did in fact die during his quest.
I think I basically agree with you about the quality of Gandalf's "angry wizard" outbursts, I'm just annoyed by the way you stated it (which made Gandalf sound like a badass without peer). In any case, no harm, no foul, so nevermind.
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Yes, I will admit that my posting was quite sloppy and I allowed hyperbole to enter into my speech, assuming my intended message was relayed. Let me remedy that presently.
Gandalf was the always wizard that had such great power and ability, but forwent them in lieuoh his other talents, to me.
Thank you for bringing my inattention to my notice.
Gandalf was the always wizard that had such great power and ability, but forwent them in lieuoh his other talents, to me.
Thank you for bringing my inattention to my notice.
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