Would the Scimitar be of Interest to the Empire?

[Alyeska]

Biowarfare works much better than a weapon that take seven minutes of warm up time.

Effective biowarfare takes a minimum for frank symptons to take affect. So you would rather spend a month then 7 minutes?

Assumption that interdiction won't work on WARP...danken.

Not an assumption, fact. Interdictors would have no discernable affect on Warp Drives.

Assumption that ST cloaks are better than SW cloaks...

Incorrect. No such assumption was made nor was it indicated. If ST cloaks were superior, why did I say that hybrids using the best of both cloaks might be made? Try learning to read before deciding what I said.

Shall we continue?

I don't see the point, your not actually reading what I bother to type.

[Ghost Rider]

Well assumption that the seven minute egg cooker will penetrate every shield because well...what?

You have yet to say anything for Warp defying interdiction other than no discernable effect because?

And you claim FACT...BWAHAHAHAHAHA...this I have to see PROOF of...please...show me this one.

And you claim they this will obviously be melded into SW cloaks by also ignoring why SW cloaks are made the way they are made.

I see no reason since you jumped to three assumption with nothing more to say say than nu-uh, they will do this because...well they would.

[Howedar]

You have yet to say anything for Warp defying interdiction other than no discernable effect because?

The burden of proof is on you to show that interdictors would have any effect on warp drive.





Frankly to claim that 7 minutes is too long to be of use is simply laughable. Sure as hell there's no possible bioagent that could kill an entire population in under a few days.

[Alyeska]

Well assumption that the seven minute egg cooker will penetrate every shield because well...what?

First the Enterprise was fearful of it as a weapon even when they had shields. That and not every planet will have shields but you still want to take it intact. Your automatic assumption that its a pathetic weapon is the height of idiocy. You fail to take into account that this weapon could be used for a variety of purposes. Hell, remember the assisination it was used for?

You have yet to say anything for Warp defying interdiction other than no discernable effect because?

Interdictors project gravity shadows into hyperspace, then eventually they also projected a level of gravity in real space. ST warp drives have been engaged while in orbits of planets or EXTREMELY near to stars. Now I would like your proof that the Interdictors can stop warp drives.

And you claim FACT...BWAHAHAHAHAHA...this I have to see PROOF of...please...show me this one.

I merely claim the truth.

And you claim they this will obviously be melded into SW cloaks by also ignoring why SW cloaks are made the way they are made.

Reread what I said. Here, I will help you.

Its also possible they could

I see no reason since you jumped to three assumption with nothing more to say say than nu-uh, they will do this because...well they would.

If I said 2+2=4 would you disagree? Some things are obvious enough that you generally don't have to site evidence.

[Ghost Rider]

You claim idiodicy with saying because the Enterprise has shields up...this means all shield will be penetrated...right.

Okay so they have shown it...so true I concede it would have use against interdictors but you still have yet why this would be of any use...since they are using a far slower FTL?

That was more or less my point...so because it takes advantage of one effect...it's BETTER?!

As for the ST cloak...and?

So they simply have a cloak that defies ST sensors...your point?

[Alyeska]

You claim idiodicy with saying because the Enterprise has shields up...this means all shield will be penetrated...right.

Okay so they have shown it...so true I concede it would have use against interdictors but you still have yet why this would be of any use...since they are using a far slower FTL?

That was more or less my point...so because it takes advantage of one effect...it's BETTER?!

As for the ST cloak...and?

So they simply have a cloak that defies ST sensors...your point?

I never said that any of the ST tech was better. I said it had different tactical and strategic advantages.

[Ghost Rider]

But why would it be of tactical use if it's inferior...I mean would you go back to lock and flint pistol if you had a .44?

I mean there are degrees to which something has use or something is just a museum piece.

[Alyeska]

But why would it be of tactical use if it's inferior...I mean would you go back to lock and flint pistol if you had a .44?

I mean there are degrees to which something has use or something is just a museum piece.

Who says its inferior? Warp Drive requires far less fuel then Hyper Drive. So by that alone it is SUPERIOR. Your making the assumptiong that because something is generally more useful that it is completely superior. For the purpose of moving from star system to star system Hyper Drives are superior to Warp Drives. Why? Because they are faster, and that is what is most important. However when it comes to tactical movement on a battle field Warp Drives require less energy and can not be affected by gravity as Hyper Drives can.

Your assuming that Hyper Drives are superior to Warp Drives in all aspects when that is not true. Hyperdrives are for the most part superior, but Warpdrives still have suitable applications. As I have been saying from the very begining. The ST technology has DIFFERENT tactical and strategic advantages. Do you know what that means? That means that SW cloaks, SW FTL drives, and SW doomsday weapons have advantages over ST counter parts in certain areas. In other areas, that ST technology has advantages.

[Ghost Rider]

Warp Drive uses less fuel but travels at far, far slower speeds.

So by that thought they should use an copmpletely inferior product because it uses less fuel...so once again why use the modern tech when the flint-lock pistol will kill the person...one is far more efficent.

[Alyeska]

Warp Drive uses less fuel but travels at far, far slower speeds.

So by that thought they should use an copmpletely inferior product because it uses less fuel...so once again why use the modern tech when the flint-lock pistol will kill the person...one is far more efficent.

Did you even read what I said? Are you THAT dense? Tactically Warp Drives can get you from point A-B on the battle field WITHOUT interference from Interdictors and relatively small ships can operate it with MUCH less energy then a Hyperdrive requires.

[Ghost Rider]

Oh yes...for what the REBELS?!

So they are going install EXTRA drive for the one purpose of Interdiction...are you fucking high?

So they are going use a slower travel for escape from one particular class of vessel...yeah right, so when the sensor detect them AGAIN...they are going to leap into hyperdrive...because the warp travel can't propel them far enough away

Okay...are you that dense...you basically have said that they obviously use lesser tech for one near exclusive reason because well their tech even though serves 95% of combat situations would be useful in this one particular situation.

[Alyeska]

Oh yes...for what the REBELS?!

So they are going install EXTRA drive for the one purpose of Interdiction...are you fucking high?

So they are going use a slower travel for escape from one particular class of vessel...yeah right, so when the sensor detect them AGAIN...they are going to leap into hyperdrive...because the warp travel can't propel them far enough away

Okay...are you that dense...you basically have said that they obviously use lesser tech for one near exclusive reason because well their tech even though serves 95% of combat situations would be useful in this one particular situation.

Words fail me. I have cited information and given examples.

Ok, everyone ought to know how I treat newbies and people who are uninformed. I have informed this person. I no longer feel the need to be polite.

You are a complete fucking idiot and your head makes Neutronium look like styrofoam.

[Ghost Rider]

You still have yet to get through your goddamn thick why they would use a lesser form of propulsion for one particular situation would be useful?

So should we have vehicles that are made for just in case situations?

All you have been touting with I've been polite is that The Enterprise feared the technobabble warship new uber weapon means that obviously it'll have use because it penetrates ST shields...

I understood after you gage the Interdiction but do not concede it would have USES.

And you still have yet to give one fucking reason why they would use a cloak that baffles ST sensors in combination to SW cloaks. SO it baffles ST sensor...so FUCKING WHAT?!

So please elucidate.

[Alyeska]

You still have yet to get through your goddamn thick why they would use a lesser form of propulsion for one particular situation would be useful?

You have yet to prove that Warp Drive is a lesser type of propulsion

So should we have vehicles that are made for just in case situations?

Considering that multiple SW books detail how Imperial forces were ALSO trapped by gravity wells...

All you have been touting with I've been polite is that The Enterprise feared the technobabble warship new uber weapon means that obviously it'll have use because it penetrates ST shields...

And you failed to take into consideration all of the known and logical applications this weapon has outside of attacking a shielded planet.

I understood after you gage the Interdiction but do not concede it would have USES.

WTF is that supposed to mean? I stated the fact that the properties of an Interdictor would NOT stop warp drives from operating. That is fact, nothing more. This alone gives Warp a tactical advantage over Hyperspace.

And you still have yet to give one fucking reason why they would use a cloak that baffles ST sensors in combination to SW cloaks. SO it baffles ST sensor...so FUCKING WHAT?!

Well if you actually had eyes, you would have noted I was talking about VISUAL cloaking being used on SW fighters. So your asking me for something I am not even debating about nor care about. Try staying with the debate rather then side tracking it.

So please elucidate.

I already did, then I did it again, and again, and again, and again...

I guess it takes repitition to get through your thick skull.

[NecronLord]

I have already outlined numerous suggestions for the uses of a one way cloak to the empire. Frankly ghost rider, I have to go with Alyeska on this. The ST cloak has many many advantages. The advantages of warp are somewhat shaky, I'm not sure if the uses of the thing would be worth fitting that to an ISD. It would have it's uses though. In addition both types of cloak is useful for one thing, getting under a planetery sheild and then opening fire.

[NecronLord]

Another use of the medusa gun would be clearing planets such as endor. IIRC it works on all organic material. it would be a nice cheap option that could be done without the major geological disturbance of a BDZ operation. No more forest for the rebels to hide in (ok a crumbley petrified one), no more teddys to help them.

[Howedar]

An interesting thought. Very interesting.

[NecronLord]

It also may get deep shelters that BDZ doesn't, though the term radiation would suggest that enough sheilding would stop it, IIRC the projector affects everything within a certain radius of the target point. If that is so then it doesn't matter how deep you are, the medusa gun will get you.

[Ghost Rider]

Not with the cloak but the somehow it would translate to automatic SW one way cloak, which is the assumption if they examine the Scimitar. So they see a primitive cloak that elluded ST sensor will automatically do for SW sensors?

That's a leap of logic to go one version of tech translate automatically for the other.

And Warp I still don't see, it's slower and can be tracked easier...so you get away from one situation and? Okay Warp 9 goes how fast...Zahn books showed the ISD doing what?

Voyager going at 70,000ly journey taking 75 years at max warp taking around...oh about .1 light year per day

Zahn rated Hyperdrive at 127 ly/hour.

And you ask which is superior?!

So they install an inferior system in hopes that they face an Interdictor just so it'll escape that one time only to be tracked where to the next location?

As for the uber seven minute cooker...so they instead of threatening said planet with complete obliteration to the point of being completely worthless they annouce a seven minute cooker because well intimtidation is outmoded and outdated on non shielded worlds.

[Alyeska]

Not with the cloak but the somehow it would translate to automatic SW one way cloak, which is the assumption if they examine the Scimitar. So they see a primitive cloak that elluded ST sensor will automatically do for SW sensors?

That's a leap of logic to go one version of tech translate automatically for the other.

And Warp I still don't see, it's slower and can be tracked easier...so you get away from one situation and? Okay Warp 9 goes how fast...Zahn books showed the ISD doing what?

Voyager going at 70,000ly journey taking 75 years at max warp taking around...oh about .1 light year per day

Zahn rated Hyperdrive at 127 ly/hour.

And you ask which is superior?!

So they install an inferior system in hopes that they face an Interdictor just so it'll escape that one time only to be tracked where to the next location?

As for the uber seven minute cooker...so they instead of threatening said planet with complete obliteration to the point of being completely worthless they annouce a seven minute cooker because well intimtidation is outmoded and outdated on non shielded worlds.

With Warp you can NOT be stopped by an Interdictor. They merely need to drop out of warp after a few minutes and engage Hyperdrives. Problem solved.

Can't you even understand the concept Ghost Rider?

[Ghost Rider]

So for one particular situation you install a completely worthless for just that hope of it?

And?

That is my point, why have something extra for one maybe case because well it might happen and god forbid they don't have interdictors blocking you and just an ISD with it's guns primed.

[NecronLord]

The medusa gun has the advantages stated above as a tool for limited collateral damage, and annihalating deep core shelters.

[Ghost Rider]

For me it serves only a more extraneous purpose...we don't know it'll penetrate any of the SW planetray shields...and unshielded planet will be cowed by the site of the ISD...no need to go we'll elimanate the populace just so we can now have a weapon that'll be sorta maybe useful in some cases.

[Cpt_Frank]

I agree that the cloak might be useful. But not the warpdrive. All that you can do with it that you can't do with the much faster hyperdrive is execute some tactical maneuvers which won't be of any use in SW capital ship combat.

[TheDarkling]

The Voyager speeds you quoted seem to indicate 3 LY a day although this isn't really as issue.

There have been a numbr of times in the EU where ships can only come into systems along safe routes with a warp drive you would be able to go anywhere in the system 1000X's faster than those using STL drives (because of gravity wells etc) therefore you have much better command of the battle field, warp can also be used for short inner system jumps while Wars ships for example here we are told

"Conventional military wisdom frowned on this business of picking a spot just outside the target system as a jumping-off point - it was considered dangerously easy for one or more ships to get lost on the way to such a rendezvous, and it was difficult to make an accurate hyperspace jump over so short a distance."

so you can see that a jump the size of a system isn't exactly cnsidered to be good practice.

As for indictors cases like this come to mind,

'But with the interdiction field in place, you can't use hyperdrive in the Corellian planetary system,' Lando said. 'It could take months to travel from the edge of the field to the inner planets via normal space.'"

All these sorts of things show that warp drive does have its advantages over hyperdrive.