Another Idiot Trekkie.

Subnormal · Post by **Subnormal** » 2003-01-03 01:40pm

http://wso.williams.edu/~rfoxwell/starw ... SDComp.htm

Not sure if any of you have seen this page before, but his comparision is laughable. He highly believes that the Enterprise D can defeat a Star Destroyer and if need be the Death Star. This guy needs phyciatric help, immediately, he trys to state that it would be UNFAIR for Star Wars because it takes place "A Long time ago." and ST takes place in the Future. He also states that Star Wars ships fire light lasers and therefore have no chance against phasers. He then states the Star Trek world is far more advanced then the Star Wars world.

This poor little trekker, has lost his way.

His site says he is willing to hear comments, debates, and questions so bombard the trekker who has lost his way or convert him to a sane "SW Vs. ST is easily won by SW" state.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-01-03 01:43pm

Subnormal wrote:http://wso.williams.edu/~rfoxwell/starw ... SDComp.htm

Not sure if any of you have seen this page before, but his comparision is laughable. He highly believes that the Enterprise D can defeat a Star Destroyer and if need be the Death Star. This guy needs phyciatric help, immediately, he trys to state that it would be UNFAIR for Star Wars because it takes place "A Long time ago." and ST takes place in the Future. He also states that Star Wars ships fire light lasers and therefore have no chance against phasers. He then states the Star Trek world is far more advanced then the Star Wars world.

This poor little trekker, has lost his way.

His site says he is willing to hear comments, debates, and questions so bombard the trekker who has lost his way or convert him to a sane "SW Vs. ST is easily won by SW" state.

Does he have access to the likes of ICS and does he know all of the information for Trek? If not, calling him an idiot for making his opinion based on faulty information is rather stupid. One makes decisions based on what they have at hand and if they don't have access to all the information or know that certain information exists, you can not fault them for their decision.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-01-03 01:46pm

Someone shuold make that little blurb a sticky because I can't remember the amount of times myself, Alyeska or one of the more reasonable people on this board has had to say it.

Tht being said though

he trys to state that it would be UNFAIR for Star Wars because it takes place "A Long time ago." and ST takes place in the Future.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-01-03 01:48pm

TheDarkling wrote:Someone shuold make that little blurb a sticky because I can't remember the amount of times myself, Alyeska or one of the more reasonable people on this board has had to say it.

Tht being said though

he trys to state that it would be UNFAIR for Star Wars because it takes place "A Long time ago." and ST takes place in the Future.

That and he did use the old Lasers can't hurt us claim.

I want to e-mail him, but he says he has been flooded (I wonder why?

). Maybe we ought to invite him over here.

Subnormal · Post by **Subnormal** » 2003-01-03 01:49pm

According to him he knows everything thing there is to know about how the Enterprise would defeat a Star Destroyer. Therefore he is stupid, for not physically investigating his claims instead of blaring out falsehoods and making up nonsense. He appears to be at access to a large supply of information and even posts Star Destroyer specs and other info on his site.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-01-03 01:49pm

Star Wars ships use lasers. The Enterprise uses phasers. That's all there is to it. Phaser technology is a step above laser technology, and phasers are "x" orders of magnitude more powerful than lasers, as well as being rooted in a different concept. The Star Destroyer would have absolutely no defense against phasers. Phaser fire would blast right through its shields.

More then enough to call him an idiot.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-01-03 01:53pm

Alyeska wrote: Does he have access to the likes of ICS and does he know all of the information for Trek? If not, calling him an idiot for making his opinion based on faulty information is rather stupid. One makes decisions based on what they have at hand and if they don't have access to all the information or know that certain information exists, you can not fault them for their decision.

No, he's still stupid even if he doesn't use those things or have access to them. His arguments are stupid. His reasoning is stupid. That's why he is stupid. Whenever someone says, "I have no intention of turning this into a technical debate" or uses reasoning such that, "The Empire uses lasers. The Enterprise uses phasers. Phasers are a step above laser technology." You KNOW that they are stupid, regardless of the resources that they have available.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-01-03 01:54pm

Well, Alyeska, you've got a point. It's not fair to call him a moron, just ignorant on the issue, since like 99.99999% of the population, he's likely never given the issue much thought. Most likely he's saying this stuff based upon passing opinions on both and which he likes better, not because he's given it the in-depth thought that many of us have.

That being said, he his conclusions are pretty dumb.

jaeger115 · Post by **jaeger115** » 2003-01-03 01:59pm

he trys to state that it would be UNFAIR for Star Wars because it takes place "A Long time ago." and ST takes place in the Future.

*head explodes*

Subnormal · Post by **Subnormal** » 2003-01-03 02:06pm

Alyeska wrote: Does he have access to the likes of ICS and does he know all of the information for Trek? If not, calling him an idiot for making his opinion based on faulty information is rather stupid. One makes decisions based on what they have at hand and if they don't have access to all the information or know that certain information exists, you can not fault them for their decision.

Idiot - A foolish or stupid person.

Foolish -
1. Lacking or exhibiting a lack of good sense or judgment; silly: foolish remarks.
2. Resulting from stupidity or misinformation; unwise: a foolish decision.
3. Arousing laughter; absurd or ridiculous: a foolish grin.
4. Immoderate or stubborn; unreasonable: foolish pride; foolish love.
5. Embarrassed; abashed: I feel foolish telling you this.
6. Insignificant; trivial: spent all their money on foolish little knickknacks.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

I will not refute my claim of his Idiocy.

Subnormal · Post by **Subnormal** » 2003-01-03 02:11pm

By the way this claim has to be the most laughable.

So laser fire wouldn't harm the Enterprise even if the deflector shields were down!!

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-03 02:18pm

He made a web site spouting utter shite and then claimed he knew what he was doing, he deserves to be flamed. I know trekies here wanna defend fellow trekies, but said trekie would be the 1st to flame a warsie for spouting similar shite and repeating well known brain bugs.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-01-03 02:27pm

Moo: Phaser are better than lasers ,in trek so he is applying this to wars which isn't correct because of the two universes being seperate however the acual statement isn't totally incorrect.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-01-03 02:31pm

Gil Hamilton wrote:Well, Alyeska, you've got a point. It's not fair to call him a moron, just ignorant on the issue, since like 99.99999% of the population, he's likely never given the issue much thought. Most likely he's saying this stuff based upon passing opinions on both and which he likes better, not because he's given it the in-depth thought that many of us have.

That being said, he his conclusions are pretty dumb.

Since the guy in question bases 100% of his arguments on the NAMES of the weapons and literal interpretation of dialogue, calling him an idiot is highly appropriate. In fact, most people here would be even more abusive.

As to the old "immune to lasers" crap, he doesn't even have the episodes straight.

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2003-01-03 02:43pm

At least he doesn't have a forum. Where the rabid Trekkies could stay in.....

Cyaround,
Jason

Rightous Fist Of Heaven · Post by **Rightous Fist Of Heaven** » 2003-01-03 02:56pm

The point where he claims that the TLs on an ISD would not even penetrate the E-D's shields because SW lasers "OBVIOUSLY" are far inferior to phasers, was just too much for me.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-01-03 03:23pm

TheDarkling wrote:Moo: Phaser are better than lasers ,in trek so he is applying this to wars which isn't correct because of the two universes being seperate however the acual statement isn't totally incorrect.

It is since he simply goes and makes this unsupported assumption based on false reasoning, also disregarding the fact that turbolasers aren't lasers, disregarding actual weapons power which is also a factor in Star Trek, and igroring canon evidence from best of both worlds.

He deserves to burn in righteous flames.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-01-03 03:32pm

. . . where do you find these people?

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-01-03 04:49pm

TheDarkling wrote:Moo: Phaser are better than lasers ,in trek so he is applying this to wars which isn't correct because of the two universes being seperate however the acual statement isn't totally incorrect.

Actually this isn't true. For instance, if there was a laser that was far more powerful than the phasers on the Enterprise, and just as accurate, which is the better weapon? The laser obviously. A technology isn't fundemental superior, it's effects that matter. Just because something is "higher" on the technology ladder doesn't make it fundmentally more powerful. There are literally hundreds of examples of this in both real life and in fiction.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-01-03 05:03pm

BNo Gil you miss my meaning obviously in trek Phasers have advanatages over lasers so any culture with the amount of power a culture with phasers has should be using phasers, anyone without phasers is probably lower in tech and thus has less power available anyway.

Its not cast iron reasoning obviously but it is a general rule (especially given the way trek tech works).

Rightous Fist Of Heaven · Post by **Rightous Fist Of Heaven** » 2003-01-03 05:43pm

HAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA!!! Goddamn check out his reply to me.

========================================
No flaming, no "idiocies"? Riiight. Nice try.

I have neither the heart nor the patience to respond point-for-point, as I
have to so many others, but please understand: I give *zero* credit, zero
validity, to "evidence" garnered from so-called "sourcebooks" such as the
Incredible Cross-Sections material. Taken as a whole, the body of such
"sourcebooks" is so riddled with contradictions and inconsistencies as to
make it entirely unreliable. I don't expect you to agree with that
statement, so there is no need to write me back and tell me so; we
approach the issue from two irreconcilable points of view--paradigms,
even--and I have learned that getting into a debate over it accomplishes
nothing.

As for Star Wars energy weapon being lasers, yes, I realize that there are
numerous physics-related problems with that. Just as there are for nearly
every such issue, when approached from the inappropriate standpoint of
real-life science. (Noises and fire in space? Asteroids with planet-like
gravity?) Lucas calls them lasers, and to my way of thinking, that
outweighs any bullshit "sourcebooks" or technical "reality"...even if it
WAS entirely consistent. Again, I know that you don't agree with
that...as I said, this is my way of thinking, and if you don't share it,
further argument will achieve nothing. I am willing, as always, to agree
to disagree.
==========================================

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-03 05:46pm

TheDarkling wrote:BNo Gil you miss my meaning obviously in trek Phasers have advanatages over lasers so any culture with the amount of power a culture with phasers has should be using phasers, anyone without phasers is probably lower in tech and thus has less power available anyway.

Obviously phasers are better for most powers in the ST galaxy, because most of them are at a similar tech level and their only DET weapons are photons and we know that they are considered heavy weapons, it seems that they do not have the energy generation capabilities to generate powerfull enough DET energy weapons, so the phaser system makes an excellent stopgap method, but it's not without it flaws though(material dependant, of fickle nature and such).

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-03 05:50pm

*looks at the reply*

Even if he's too biased to see the truth of the matter he still cannot ignore the Slave-1's mines destroying many large asteroids with ease and the clear contrast to the Enterprise-D's problem in destroying an asteroid in "Pegasus"

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-03 05:51pm

Oh also forgot, the movies themselves sets rather high power generation abilities given how multi-million ton ships perform thousands of G's of accel.

Rightous Fist Of Heaven · Post by **Rightous Fist Of Heaven** » 2003-01-03 06:13pm

FUCKING LOL!!! CHECK THIS OUT!!!

Photon torpedoes are made of photons, which are packets of light. Although technically matter (they have momentum), the laws governing the propagation of light are different from those governing normal matter. Essentially, photon torpedoes are "energy" torpedoes

Obviously, normal matter cannot penetrate the Enterprise's shields, or the standard weapon would be a poweful physical projectile.

You cannot imagine how i laughed when i found out those lines in the page, i sent him one more reply pointing out the Pegasus scene and many others, unfortunately i forgot the Slave-1s mines and missiles but if he continues to babble the same utter nonsense then im not going to even bother and respond to him again, my god this guy is dumber than Slobba The Hutt or Virus-X

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