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Adrian McNair wrote:
Tychu wrote: oh dear god yesssss!!! NBSG will finally die and end
no seriously i hate NBSG
You wouldn't happen to be able to explain why you have scorn for it would you? Or are you just a troll who's looking to stir up some shit and rape proper capitalisation in the process?
i find it kinda funny that a youngling is asking if i was a troll (ive been here since the begining, when you were still in diapers)

but the reason why i have scorn for NBSG is that in my opinion it shits all over the original. The original is a classic, the new one thinks its Blair Which with its jumpy camera. To make it more "appealing" to an older audience they make the main charcters drink which lets them create whole episodes about them having to deal with these problems. Picutre if you will the episode of SG-1 (200th ep) when they wanted to make Marty's shows charcters all teenagers) well thats what NBSG is. Besides the drinking they also throw in the characters wanting to have sex. Now i understand that sex sells and many, many sci-fi fans love that, but like me there are also many, many sci-fi fans who just hate that and would love to get back to the dogfighting in space and the action of seeing futuristic things blow up and love a good "james bond" in space.
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Tychu wrote:
Adrian McNair wrote:
Tychu wrote: oh dear god yesssss!!! NBSG will finally die and end
no seriously i hate NBSG
You wouldn't happen to be able to explain why you have scorn for it would you? Or are you just a troll who's looking to stir up some shit and rape proper capitalisation in the process?
i find it kinda funny that a youngling is asking if i was a troll (ive been here since the begining, when you were still in diapers)
You notice that on SDN we don't do pokes, or n00b hazing? You know why? Because unlike other boards, we are not filled with teenagers whose only accomplishment is longevity on the forum. So, to go "STFU n00b, I vuz here from the beginning!!!11111" is to shit over the spirit of the board. I won't stand for it.

Besides, for an old timer, your accomplishments here are surprisingly slight. I cannot help but wonder why is that.

but the reason why i have scorn for NBSG is that in my opinion it shits all over the original.
Improving the original, you mean
The original is a classic, the new one thinks its Blair Which with its jumpy camera. To make it more "appealing" to an older audience they make the main charcters drink which lets them create whole episodes about them having to deal with these problems.
Because that is worse than episodes about casinos in space how?

Picutre if you will the episode of SG-1 (200th ep) when they wanted to make Marty's shows charcters all teenagers) well thats what NBSG is. Besides the drinking they also throw in the characters wanting to have sex.
Because, you know, that never happens in the real world.
Now i understand that sex sells and many, many sci-fi fans love that, but like me there are also many, many sci-fi fans who just hate that and would love to get back to the dogfighting in space and the action of seeing futuristic things blow up and love a good "james bond" in space.
You mean stuff doesn't get blown up in nBSG?

Honestly, you remind me of that guy who ran his own forum, where only he could post, and ranted about "Universal Execs" and how nBSG characters were leather-clad sexfiends "ready to assault each other with whips and chains"

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Tychu wrote:but the reason why i have scorn for NBSG is that in my opinion it shits all over the original.
Well that's fine and dandy. Why don't you shut-up and go watch the original then? Leave those who do like the new stuff in peace.
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fgalkin wrote:Honestly, you remind me of that guy who ran his own forum, where only he could post, and ranted about "Universal Execs" and how nBSG characters were leather-clad sexfiends "ready to assault each other with whips and chains"
Someone really said that?

Since I don't like nBSG either, people often think I'm some kind of oBSG fanatic. There are plenty of reasons not to like nBSG without referring to some crazy old show. :)
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Stark wrote:
fgalkin wrote:Honestly, you remind me of that guy who ran his own forum, where only he could post, and ranted about "Universal Execs" and how nBSG characters were leather-clad sexfiends "ready to assault each other with whips and chains"
Someone really said that?

Since I don't like nBSG either, people often think I'm some kind of oBSG fanatic. There are plenty of reasons not to like nBSG without referring to some crazy old show. :)
Yes.

Actually, I was wrong. The exact quote is
Ron Moore's cast members look like they're about to SEXUALLY ATTACK ONE ANOTHER WITH BULLWHIPS, CHAINS, MOTOR OIL, and RACING HORSE SADDLES.
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but to also reinforce the fact that this production is indeed a THINLY DISGUISED PORNO with MEAN SPIRITED CHARACTERS ABOUT TO SEXUALLY ATTACK EACH OTHER ANY MINUTE.

Black leather is the universal symbol for violent pornography. Leather of any other color is strongly associated with overt sexuality, prostitution, and all forms of sexual vice. The primary clothing material used in Ron Moore's production is LEATHER. Either Ronald D. Moore had an extremely frustrating puberty devoid of any contact with females and he is now taking it out on the few viewers watching his production; or he is a closet sex maniac who wasn't allowed to express these suppressed feelings of his when he was a "Star Trek" staff writer working for Rick Berman
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fgalkin wrote:
Tychu wrote:
Adrian McNair wrote: You wouldn't happen to be able to explain why you have scorn for it would you? Or are you just a troll who's looking to stir up some shit and rape proper capitalisation in the process?
i find it kinda funny that a youngling is asking if i was a troll (ive been here since the begining, when you were still in diapers)
You notice that on SDN we don't do pokes, or n00b hazing? You know why? Because unlike other boards, we are not filled with teenagers whose only accomplishment is longevity on the forum. So, to go "STFU n00b, I vuz here from the beginning!!!11111" is to shit over the spirit of the board. I won't stand for it.

but the reason why i have scorn for NBSG is that in my opinion it shits all over the original.
Improving the original, you mean
The original is a classic, the new one thinks its Blair Which with its jumpy camera. To make it more "appealing" to an older audience they make the main charcters drink which lets them create whole episodes about them having to deal with these problems.
Because that is worse than episodes about casinos in space how?

Picutre if you will the episode of SG-1 (200th ep) when they wanted to make Marty's shows charcters all teenagers) well thats what NBSG is. Besides the drinking they also throw in the characters wanting to have sex.
Because, you know, that never happens in the real world.
listen fgalkin, unless you had to deal with alcoholism in real life than you won't understand me. I personally had to deal with it from one of my parents. Now im not playing the "feel sorry for me cause one of my parent was an alcoholic" all im saying is that i choose not to drink because of that and when i see that on a tv show, that show automaticaly loses points with me, you dont need a goddam drink to have a good time and you certaintly dont need to show main characters drunk off their damn rockers to have a good show.

and yes casino's in space is a hell of a lot better then drunken retards in space. Give me Star Wars: Gamblers Planet (marvel) any day of the week over NBSG: Apollo falls off of chair drunk

as for the noob thing, thats the first time that i ever said anything bad about noob before on any site. for some reason fgalkin gets involved in this, when i was asked by McNair to explain and explain i did. Its my opinion and thats how I explained it

the point of this thread was "Is Sci-fi freaking kidding me"

so back to the point theres quite alot of reasons why im mad at Sci-Fi right now and in MY Opinion what they should have done in the first place was renew SG-1 and cancel NBSG. As for the new timeslot for NBSG, its a really good spot, if i was a NBSG fan i would actually be able to watch it at 10pm sunday cause i work on its previous time slot.
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I see your bbcode skills are as bad as your punctuation and capitalization skills
Tychu wrote: listen fgalkin, unless you had to deal with alcoholism in real life than you won't understand me. I personally had to deal with it from one of my parents. Now im not playing the "feel sorry for me cause one of my parent was an alcoholic" all im saying is that i choose not to drink because of that and when i see that on a tv show, that show automaticaly loses points with me, you dont need a goddam drink to have a good time and you certaintly dont need to show main characters drunk off their damn rockers to have a good show.
Except that if you had actually bothered to watch the show, you'd know that it shows that characters being "drunk of their rockers" is BAD.

and yes casino's in space is a hell of a lot better then drunken retards in space. Give me Star Wars: Gamblers Planet (marvel) any day of the week over NBSG: Apollo falls off of chair drunk
I don't recall ever seeing Apollo fall off a chair, drunk. The only two characters on the show who have a drinking problem are Tigh (who drinks to deal with PTSD) and Starbuck (who gets a pilot killed because of it), neither of whom gain much sympathy from the viewer

as for the noob thing, thats the first time that i ever said anything bad about noob before on any site. for some reason fgalkin gets involved in this, when i was asked by McNair to explain and explain i did. Its my opinion and thats how I explained it
Since the Great Old One, who was here from the beginning seems to have a comprehension problem, allow me to elaborate. fgalkin gets involved with this, because fgalkin is the mod of this forum, and if you don't listen to fgalkin and drop the subject right now, fgalkin will dump this sorry-ass thread first to HoS, then to Parting Shots. Does that answer your question?

the point of this thread was "Is Sci-fi freaking kidding me"

so back to the point theres quite alot of reasons why im mad at Sci-Fi right now and in MY Opinion what they should have done in the first place was renew SG-1 and cancel NBSG. As for the new timeslot for NBSG, its a really good spot, if i was a NBSG fan i would actually be able to watch it at 10pm sunday cause i work on its previous time slot.
You mean, we need 10 more seasons of SG-1, right?

Have a very nice day.
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Tychu wrote: i find it kinda funny that a youngling is asking if i was a troll (ive been here since the begining, when you were still in diapers)
Spare me the patronising nonsense. My postcount does not define me nor is it an indicator of my age.
but the reason why i have scorn for NBSG is that in my opinion it shits all over the original.
Ah yes, the original. Where a one-dimensional group of inhumans took the apocalypse in their stride. Where there would always be some outpost of humanity each week to drop by for some rest and relaxation (thereby trivialising and contradicting the central premise of survival). Yes, I can see how it would "shit all over" it.

No one here is asking you to watch it in the first place or forcing it upon you, so your irrelevant insults are completely baseless. Are the TOS fanboys so insecure that they believe that the original is "diminished" as a result of the successor's existence?
The original is a classic


The original is vapid, hollow and empty. It was also cancelled. Hardly the best of comparisons.
, the new one thinks its Blair Which with its jumpy
camera.
And more exaggerations. This is strictly a non-issue. It has not inhibited my enjoyment or immersion in the series. It might have been slightly overplayed in the mini-series but it has been significantly toned down in the series proper (which you no doubt have not even bothered to view).
To make it more "appealing" to an older audience they make the main charcters drink which lets them create whole episodes about them having to deal with these problems.
I see that someone hasn't progressed past the mini-series if you honestly believe that alcoholism is a central theme. You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about. Or you've been reading the cliffnotes of some disgruntled TOS fanboy in order to try to present your case.
Picutre if you will the episode of SG-1 (200th ep) when they wanted to make Marty's shows charcters all teenagers) well thats what NBSG is.
Incorrect. nBSG is what SG-1 wishes it could be when it matures in the story-telling department.
Besides the drinking they also throw in the characters wanting to have sex. Now i understand that sex sells and many, many sci-fi fans love that,
So the prudes are coming out of the woodwork I see. Sex is not the focal point of the series. It's treated as an aspect of the Colonials lives, which is the case.
but like me there are also many, many sci-fi fans who just hate that
Your anecdotes have no place here.
and would love to get back to the dogfighting in space and the action of seeing futuristic things blow up and love a good "james bond" in space.
But others would prefer to witness something far more profound as opposed to the superficial, failed predecessor. You're understating the genre if you think it's nothing more than a series of Flash Gordon-esque skirmishes.

Please do learn to type properly. It would make comprehending and reading your posts less of a burden.
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listen fgalkin, unless you had to deal with alcoholism in real life than you won't understand me. I personally had to deal with it from one of my parents. Now im not playing the "feel sorry for me cause one of my parent was an alcoholic" all im saying is that i choose not to drink because of that and when i see that on a tv show, that show automaticaly loses points with me, you dont need a goddam drink to have a good time and you certaintly dont need to show main characters drunk off their damn rockers to have a good show.
What good time was this? Oh the character with deep drinking and emotional problems? Yeah, Tigh has a great time......

If you're just talking about the bar/officer club type situations, deal with it. Stressed people getting a drink to blow off steam is a fairly realistic venture and to boot NBSG goes out of it's way to show the down sides to destructive behavior.

IIRC, the original had a damn bar and booze too. Get the fuck over yourself.
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As I recall in the original Starbuck drank all the fucking time.
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To further build on what Knife has said, these people are stressed and practically the only way they have to relieve that stress is drink and fuck. Plus their in the military and as much as I don't like to drink, drinking is part of the military culture. Serving to foster camaraderie and relieve stress. And by the way I'm an alcoholic and I have zero problems with how their portraying the drinking in the show because it's realistic.
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Tychu's issues with the series appear to stem from misconceptions and plain old ignorance. Just like many of the other TOS fanboys who spout tripe about gender issues, the use of sex and the overall gritty tone.

He appears to be confusing his personal problems with what actually occurs in the show.
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Adrian McNair wrote:Tychu's issues with the series appear to stem from misconceptions and plain old ignorance. Just like many of the other TOS fanboys who spout tripe about gender issues, the use of sex and the overall gritty tone.
Probably compounded by not watching much more than just the original miniseries and a couple of first season episodes...
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Spanky The Dolphin wrote: Probably compounded by not watching much more than just the original miniseries and a couple of first season episodes...
And that's what galls me. I would accept an opposite opinion backed up by solid evidence (analysing the series on its own merits as opposed to making comparisions to the predecessor) but they just keep making these blatantly false claims. There are far too many knee-jerk reactions and not enough arguments with substance.
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