[Discussion] General Brock

Moderator: CmdrWilkens

Locked
User avatar
Darth Wong
Sith Lord
Sith Lord
Posts: 70028
Joined: 2002-07-03 12:25am
Location: Toronto, Canada
Contact:

[Discussion] General Brock

Post by Darth Wong »

Please read the following thread:

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=104854

In it, Brock makes the spectacular claim that there is zero correlation between mental illness and poverty. When Superman contradicts him, not only does he fail to provide supporting evidence but he expects Superman to provide supporting evidence for his challenge. When Superman does so, a true tour de force of evasive bullshit begins.

We have rules against ignoring demands for evidence, ignoring evidence, relying on fallacies, etc. With that in mind, and after having read the thread, please render some kind of feedback on what, if anything, should be done with Brock.
Image
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing

"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC

"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness

"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Mike/RantMode/Blurbs.html
User avatar
Frank Hipper
Overfiend of the Superego
Posts: 12882
Joined: 2002-10-17 08:48am
Location: Hamilton, Ohio?

Post by Frank Hipper »

V.I.

I'm still trying to pick my jaw up off the floor from some that shit in his last post in the thread.
Image
Life is all the eternity you get, use it wisely.
User avatar
GrandMasterTerwynn
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 6787
Joined: 2002-07-29 06:14pm
Location: Somewhere on Earth.

Post by GrandMasterTerwynn »

Definitely VI. The train-wreck that is his participation in the thread was painful to read.
User avatar
Spyder
Sith Marauder
Posts: 4465
Joined: 2002-09-03 03:23am
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
Contact:

Post by Spyder »

Superman's Bitch.

I always feel that it's important to acknowledge the contributions of those that go above and beyond with stupid claims.
:D
User avatar
Coyote
Rabid Monkey
Posts: 12464
Joined: 2002-08-23 01:20am
Location: The glorious Sun-Barge! Isis, Isis, Ra,Ra,Ra!
Contact:

Post by Coyote »

Spyder wrote:Superman's Bitch.
Indeed, Heeheehee... put a wig on him, slap his ass & call him Lois.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."


In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!

If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!!
Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
User avatar
Publius
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 1912
Joined: 2002-07-03 08:22pm
Location: Novus Ordo Sæculorum
Contact:

Post by Publius »

He is unquestionably guilty of violating board policy. There is no dispute over that. His post count should be reset as a matter of course, quite apart from whatever punishment the Senate may choose.
God's in His Heaven, all's right with the world
User avatar
Ghost Rider
Spirit of Vengeance
Posts: 27779
Joined: 2002-09-24 01:48pm
Location: DC...looking up from the gutters to the stars

Post by Ghost Rider »

If he's going to be a bullheaded idiot, just throw him out.

It is one thing to just up and leave because you having nothing to stand on, something entirely different to crow how anyone but yourself is not seeing your genius.
MM /CF/WG/BOTM/JL/Original Warsie/ACPATHNTDWATGODW FOREVER!!

Sometimes we can choose the path we follow. Sometimes our choices are made for us. And sometimes we have no choice at all

Saying and doing are chocolate and concrete
User avatar
The Yosemite Bear
Mostly Harmless Nutcase (Requiescat in Pace)
Posts: 35211
Joined: 2002-07-21 02:38am
Location: Dave's Not Here Man

Post by The Yosemite Bear »

Village Idiot, he's a fucking moron, ok.
Image

The scariest folk song lyrics are "My Boy Grew up to be just like me" from cats in the cradle by Harry Chapin
User avatar
Spyder
Sith Marauder
Posts: 4465
Joined: 2002-09-03 03:23am
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
Contact:

Post by Spyder »

Hmm...a development.

General Brock wrote:I've made several mistakes; I sense them but can't see them. Even now, I refuse to admit wrong, because somewhere in there I think something was right. The moment my temper kicks in, the I.Q. drops like a stone. Seeing nothing but a red haze is all that matters. You can call it arrogance or pride, or whatever, but rage doesn't care. It simply is.

The meaness of this thread is offensive, repugnant in the way that got to me, unexpectedly. I'm not entirely sure why, because that requires a level of clear thought I am not presently capable of. Whatever Britney's problems are, she appears to have enough sense to stay away from her kids and not drag them along with her.

I can't learn. I'm not making the time to. This is a problem, my problem, not the board's, and banning is the only appropriate solution.

Even if I calm down enough to work it through, I won't remember the lessons in time prevent another meltdown if something sets me off. I've done this before. I will certainly do it again.

I'm sorry for failing my position and spirit of the name I hoped to live up to, and failing the standards of the board and its members. I have to apologize for that.

There is a line, however, where apologies fix nothing and mean nothing. I've crossed it. Banning will ensure it never happens again and serve as a reminder to others it should never happen in the first place.
Such a noble fall-on-his sword post and totally not a feign of remorse to make himself seem reasonable at all...
:D
User avatar
GrandMasterTerwynn
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 6787
Joined: 2002-07-29 06:14pm
Location: Somewhere on Earth.

Post by GrandMasterTerwynn »

I'm all for giving him what he says he wants (the banstick.) I suspect he actually wants us to take pity on him and let him off the hook, but I also suspect that he's just taken it right out of the Senate' hands.
User avatar
Knife
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 15769
Joined: 2002-08-30 02:40pm
Location: Behind the Zion Curtain

Post by Knife »

Wong wrote: So full of arrogance and pride that you'd rather be banned than admit a mistake.

I think that pretty much sums it up, coupled with his usually penant of standing on a soapbox. I'd still recomend VI over a ban though, if for anything than just to go against his pride.
They say, "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." I suppose it never occurred to them that they are the tyrants, not the patriots. Those weapons are not being used to fight some kind of tyranny; they are bringing them to an event where people are getting together to talk. -Mike Wong

But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
User avatar
Patrick Degan
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 14847
Joined: 2002-07-15 08:06am
Location: Orleanian in exile

Post by Patrick Degan »

I'd incline toward a VI for Mr. Brock. He has yet to engage in the sort of Wall of Ignorance construction projects that people like the late and unlamented Tharkun regularly put up or to reach the level of truly offensive idiocy typical of a Darkstar or a RevPrez. Hang the VI around his neck. We can always make it a noose later.
When ballots have fairly and constitutionally decided, there can be no successful appeal back to bullets.
—Abraham Lincoln

People pray so that God won't crush them like bugs.
—Dr. Gregory House

Oil an emergency?! It's about time, Brigadier, that the leaders of this planet of yours realised that to remain dependent upon a mineral slime simply doesn't make sense.
—The Doctor "Terror Of The Zygons" (1975)
User avatar
Edi
Dragonlord
Dragonlord
Posts: 12461
Joined: 2002-07-11 12:27am
Location: Helsinki, Finland

Post by Edi »

VI. If this incident repeats itself, he can be booted out then, but I don't think it's quite time for bansticking him yet.

Edi
Warwolf Urban Combat Specialist

Why is it so goddamned hard to get little assholes like you to admit it when you fuck up? Is it pride? What gives you the right to have any pride?
–Darth Wong to vivftp

GOP message? Why don't they just come out of the closet: FASCISTS R' US –Patrick Degan

The GOP has a problem with anyone coming out of the closet. –18-till-I-die
User avatar
CmdrWilkens
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 9093
Joined: 2002-07-06 01:24am
Location: Land of the Crabcake
Contact:

Post by CmdrWilkens »

If only because I'm usually a lenient SOB I'd go with V.I. but if he keeps pulling shit then slap the banstick on him.
Image
SDNet World Nation: Wilkonia
Armourer of the WARWOLVES
ASVS Vet's Association (Class of 2000)
Former C.S. Strowbridge Gold Ego Award Winner
MEMBER of the Anti-PETA Anti-Facist LEAGUE

"I put no stock in religion. By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much religion in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. "
-Kingdom of Heaven
User avatar
The Yosemite Bear
Mostly Harmless Nutcase (Requiescat in Pace)
Posts: 35211
Joined: 2002-07-21 02:38am
Location: Dave's Not Here Man

Post by The Yosemite Bear »

you realize, that the queen of hearts and southern death penalty judges are going to have a shit fit, we almost never use the
VI option any more
Image

The scariest folk song lyrics are "My Boy Grew up to be just like me" from cats in the cradle by Harry Chapin
User avatar
fgalkin
Carvin' Marvin
Posts: 14557
Joined: 2002-07-03 11:51pm
Location: Land of the Mountain Fascists
Contact:

Post by fgalkin »

VI. We haven't had one of those in a while.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin
User avatar
Coyote
Rabid Monkey
Posts: 12464
Joined: 2002-08-23 01:20am
Location: The glorious Sun-Barge! Isis, Isis, Ra,Ra,Ra!
Contact:

Post by Coyote »

I reiterate a custom title, and add this-- if he wants to go the "ban" route like this, I say he can ban himself and just not show up anymore. Use a li'l of that "self control"-- or be welcome to come back and make a fool of himself further.

This leaves the door open for any miracle epiphanies that occur, so he can also come back and display more sense, less hubris, and contribute again.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."


In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!

If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!!
Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
User avatar
Spyder
Sith Marauder
Posts: 4465
Joined: 2002-09-03 03:23am
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
Contact:

Post by Spyder »

I think it's important that when considering banning people that we take into account things like the overall harm an individual is doing to SDN's signal to noise ratio, how likely they are to improve and what impact not banning them will have.
:D
User avatar
LadyTevar
White Mage
White Mage
Posts: 23344
Joined: 2003-02-12 10:59pm

Post by LadyTevar »

I agree with the majority on this. VI, and reset his post count.
Image
Nitram, slightly high on cough syrup: Do you know you're beautiful?
Me: Nope, that's why I have you around to tell me.
Nitram: You -are- beautiful. Anyone tries to tell you otherwise kill them.

"A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP" -- Leonard Nimoy, last Tweet
User avatar
The Yosemite Bear
Mostly Harmless Nutcase (Requiescat in Pace)
Posts: 35211
Joined: 2002-07-21 02:38am
Location: Dave's Not Here Man

Post by The Yosemite Bear »

and someone do it fast before I change my mind, that was the most bac handed and insulting appology I've read in a long while.
Image

The scariest folk song lyrics are "My Boy Grew up to be just like me" from cats in the cradle by Harry Chapin
User avatar
Edi
Dragonlord
Dragonlord
Posts: 12461
Joined: 2002-07-11 12:27am
Location: Helsinki, Finland

Post by Edi »

The Yosemite Bear wrote:and someone do it fast before I change my mind, that was the most bac handed and insulting appology I've read in a long while.
Quoted for truth. One more smarmy weasel reply from the moron will get my vote changed to immediate ban.

Edi
Warwolf Urban Combat Specialist

Why is it so goddamned hard to get little assholes like you to admit it when you fuck up? Is it pride? What gives you the right to have any pride?
–Darth Wong to vivftp

GOP message? Why don't they just come out of the closet: FASCISTS R' US –Patrick Degan

The GOP has a problem with anyone coming out of the closet. –18-till-I-die
User avatar
Surlethe
HATES GRADING
Posts: 12267
Joined: 2004-12-29 03:41pm

Post by Surlethe »

Slap him a VI or "Superman's Bitch" and reset his post-count. At least he seems to be bowing out; that's better than staying in the thread and flailing with bullshit smarm.
A Government founded upon justice, and recognizing the equal rights of all men; claiming higher authority for existence, or sanction for its laws, that nature, reason, and the regularly ascertained will of the people; steadily refusing to put its sword and purse in the service of any religious creed or family is a standing offense to most of the Governments of the world, and to some narrow and bigoted people among ourselves.
F. Douglass
User avatar
phongn
Rebel Leader
Posts: 18487
Joined: 2002-07-03 11:11pm

Post by phongn »

I'd prefer titling him "Superman's Bitch" and resetting his postcount.
User avatar
The Yosemite Bear
Mostly Harmless Nutcase (Requiescat in Pace)
Posts: 35211
Joined: 2002-07-21 02:38am
Location: Dave's Not Here Man

Post by The Yosemite Bear »

yeah, we haven't used the "Bitch" title for a while.
Image

The scariest folk song lyrics are "My Boy Grew up to be just like me" from cats in the cradle by Harry Chapin
User avatar
Chris OFarrell
Durandal's Bitch
Posts: 5724
Joined: 2002-08-02 07:57pm
Contact:

Post by Chris OFarrell »

*mutters under breath*

Yeah, Supermans Bitch would be an acceptable CT :)
Image
Locked