Would the Scimitar be of Interest to the Empire?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-01-03 04:39pm

Excelsior wrote:Would the scimitar interest the Empire? Erm... YEAH!

Lets see. The Scimitar has dozens of torpedoes and disruptors, can fire while its cloaked and it has a weapon that can kill everything on an entire planet. The thin'gs better than the death star, if you ask me. After all, the death star got blown up by some crappy lttle starfighters. the scimitar never would have lost, like that.

Spoilers

The sciiter was blown up by a handgun

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-01-03 04:40pm

Oh dear, I hope none of the heavy hitters in this thread notice you.

Trek weapons (regular) and shields would be of no interest to the empire as for it being better than the death star, that depends upon your opinion and the differing purpose of the two weapons.

The Scimitar was designed to kill a planet but leave tech behind the death style was desiged to instill fear (and look good as paper weight in Palps office).

Excelsior · Post by **Excelsior** » 2003-01-03 04:51pm

TheDarkling wrote:Oh dear, I hope none of the heavy hitters in this thread notice you.

Trek weapons (regular) and shields would be of no interest to the empire as for it being better than the death star, that depends upon your opinion and the differing purpose of the two weapons.

The Scimitar was designed to kill a planet but leave tech behind the death style was desiged to instill fear (and look good as paper weight in Palps office).

THats where you're wrong. The death star is just an oversized Christmas ornament. If the scimitar was that big, it would have more than enough power to destroy a planet. It could probably blow up stars, and stuff, like that. And answer me this, the scimitar has dozens of torpedo and disrupter guns. There's no way the Empire could fight that. They lost to those big ships in the last Star Wars movie, and those things didnt even shoot.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-01-03 04:53pm

Excelsior wrote:
TheDarkling wrote:Oh dear, I hope none of the heavy hitters in this thread notice you.

Trek weapons (regular) and shields would be of no interest to the empire as for it being better than the death star, that depends upon your opinion and the differing purpose of the two weapons.

The Scimitar was designed to kill a planet but leave tech behind the death style was desiged to instill fear (and look good as paper weight in Palps office).
THats where you're wrong. The death star is just an oversized Christmas ornament. If the scimitar was that big, it would have more than enough power to destroy a planet. It could probably blow up stars, and stuff, like that. And answer me this, the scimitar has dozens of torpedo and disrupter guns. There's no way the Empire could fight that. They lost to those big ships in the last Star Wars movie, and those things didnt even shoot.

There is a marked difference between the Scimitar and the Death Star. You would be well advised to take these differences into account.

Excelsior · Post by **Excelsior** » 2003-01-03 04:55pm

Alyeska wrote: There is a marked difference between the Scimitar and the Death Star. You would be well advised to take these differences into account.

Yeah. Th difference is that the SCimitar's better.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-01-03 04:57pm

Excelsior wrote:
Alyeska wrote: There is a marked difference between the Scimitar and the Death Star. You would be well advised to take these differences into account.
Yeah. Th difference is that the SCimitar's better.

I might be inclinded to believe you if you posted compelling evidence. However you have not, thus I do not believe you.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-01-03 05:02pm

Excelsior, listen to Alyeska. He and Darkling (two of the boards resident trekkies) will be two of the few friends you have on this board if you behave yourself.

Excelsior · Post by **Excelsior** » 2003-01-03 05:03pm

Alyeska wrote: I might be inclinded to believe you if you posted compelling evidence. However you have not, thus I do not believe you.

Let's see: the Scimitar's got a cloaking device, and the death star doesn't do that. The Simitar can fire while it's cloaked, the death star can't do that. The Scimitar's got warp engines. Death star doesn't. The Scimitar's impossible to find when its cloaked, the death star's not even able to cloak. The scimitar can kill eeveryone on an entire planet, the death star can do that. The death star is much bigger, and so it requires a bigger ship to be as powerful as a Scimitar. And the scimitar is more maneuverable.

Why don't you say what your evidence is that the Death Star's better.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-01-03 05:07pm

Excelsior: he never said the DS was better he asked for proof from you to backup your claim.

If the Scimitar can fire pasts hields with its main weapon then yes it does have an advantage over the DS but if not then it fails to be capable of what the death star is.

Also if the scimitar wants to destroy some tech on the planet (say a droid for example) then the DS will be able to do this better since the Scimitar will have to rely upon its conventional weapons to get he job done.

Excelsior · Post by **Excelsior** » 2003-01-03 05:10pm

TheDarkling wrote:Excelsior: he never said the DS was better he asked for proof from you to backup your claim.

If the Scimitar can fire pasts hields with its main weapon then yes it does have an advantage over the DS but if not then it fails to be capable of what the death star is.

Also if the scimitar wants to destroy some tech on the planet (say a droid for example) then the DS will be able to do this better since the Scimitar will have to rely upon its conventional weapons to get he job done.

Ah, so you admit the deth star can't fire past shields. Since it blew up those big ships in Return of th eJedi, we know that those ships arent shielded.

Besides, if the Scimitar needd to blow up a droid on a planet, they could do it with their little fighters.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-01-03 05:11pm

Excelsior wrote:
Alyeska wrote: I might be inclinded to believe you if you posted compelling evidence. However you have not, thus I do not believe you.
Let's see: the Scimitar's got a cloaking device, and the death star doesn't do that. The Simitar can fire while it's cloaked, the death star can't do that. The Scimitar's got warp engines. Death star doesn't. The Scimitar's impossible to find when its cloaked, the death star's not even able to cloak. The scimitar can kill eeveryone on an entire planet, the death star can do that. The death star is much bigger, and so it requires a bigger ship to be as powerful as a Scimitar. And the scimitar is more maneuverable.

Why don't you say what your evidence is that the Death Star's better.

The Death Star is rediculously faster and harder to kill. It kills planets in an instant; it doesn't have to fly up and hang out for 7 minutes. It has much more armament than just the primary weapon.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-01-03 05:15pm

Excelsior wrote:THats where you're wrong. The death star is just an oversized Christmas ornament.

You think a weapon that totally destroys a planet in a fraction of a second is "an oversized Christmas ornament"?

If the scimitar was that big, it would have more than enough power to destroy a planet. It could probably blow up stars, and stuff, like that.

As far as I know, the Scimitar's main weapon didn't destroy things through energy output. Why don't you read the website? Scroll down to no math example.

And answer me this, the scimitar has dozens of torpedo and disrupter guns. There's no way the Empire could fight that. They lost to those big ships in the last Star Wars movie, and those things didnt even shoot.

Star Destroyers have HUNDREDS of weapons that are vastly more powerful than Trek weapons. The big rebel ships DID shoot. Go watch the movie.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-01-03 05:16pm

Excelsior wrote:
Alyeska wrote: I might be inclinded to believe you if you posted compelling evidence. However you have not, thus I do not believe you.
Let's see: the Scimitar's got a cloaking device, and the death star doesn't do that. The Simitar can fire while it's cloaked, the death star can't do that. The Scimitar's got warp engines. Death star doesn't. The Scimitar's impossible to find when its cloaked, the death star's not even able to cloak. The scimitar can kill eeveryone on an entire planet, the death star can do that. The death star is much bigger, and so it requires a bigger ship to be as powerful as a Scimitar. And the scimitar is more maneuverable.

Why don't you say what your evidence is that the Death Star's better.

The Deathstar can blow up a planet within seconds, the Scimitar needs 7 minutes just to kill all the life, and it can't blow up the planet at all. The Death Star doesn't need a cloak because it can wipe out any capital ships that show up easily. Unlike the Scimitar which needs to hid to fight a far smaller vessel.

The cloak didn't help it much, firing in all directs found it easily. The Death star has millions of guns and could do this easily. Unlike the E-E's phasers however a single hit will be fatle. Maneuvering is irrelevant for the DS; its weapons coverage is total and overwhelming in any arc. Thus the power of the sphere design.

All in favor of a VI title for the moron Trekkie?

Excelsior · Post by **Excelsior** » 2003-01-03 05:20pm

Howedar wrote:The Death Star is rediculously faster and harder to kill. It kills planets in an instant; it doesn't have to fly up and hang out for 7 minutes. It has much more armament than just the primary weapon.

The death star is not faster. TheScimitar was maneuvering a lot, and its invisible. With the death star, all you have to do is point a gun in its general direction and your probably going to hit it. Even stormtroopers can hit the death Star! Watch the movie. Anyway, the Scimitar's also got much mreo weapons than its main gun. It blew up two other ships, and badly damaged the Enterprise with them. Have you even seen Nemesis?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-01-03 05:21pm

Excelsior: Woah where did you get the idea that the DS can't fire past shields and this is important - the DS doesn't need to it simply knocks the shields out.

The scimitar needs to bypass shields or else it is useless again the Imperial planets.
The Scimitar could fit a limited role that the DS couldn't however it by no means beats the DS across the board.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-01-03 05:24pm

Excelsior: He means faster FTL (faster than light) I believe in which the deathstar does outstrip the Scimitar.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-01-03 05:24pm

Excelsior wrote:Ah, so you admit the deth star can't fire past shields. Since it blew up those big ships in Return of th eJedi, we know that those ships arent shielded.

The DS CAN fire through shields. The Endor planetary shield was still up when the DS blew up the first Rebel cruiser.

Besides, if the Scimitar needd to blow up a droid on a planet, they could do it with their little fighters.

Where do you get this crap?

Excelsior · Post by **Excelsior** » 2003-01-03 05:24pm

Darth Servo wrote:
Excelsior wrote:THats where you're wrong. The death star is just an oversized Christmas ornament.
You think a weapon that totally destroys a planet in a fraction of a second is "an oversized Christmas ornament"?

CAn;t you take a joke? I know that a Christmas tree ornament doesn't blow things up, but they look the same.

If the scimitar was that big, it would have more than enough power to destroy a planet. It could probably blow up stars, and stuff, like that.
As far as I know, the Scimitar's main weapon didn't destroy things through energy output. Why don't you read the website? Scroll down to no math example.

Someone already pointed that page out to me on a different thread. I don't know how big the scimitar is, but even a tiny little box-size thing can kill everyone in an entire room. Last time I checked, nothing the size of a box in the Star WArs movies could do that.

And answer me this, the scimitar has dozens of torpedo and disrupter guns. There's no way the Empire could fight that. They lost to those big ships in the last Star Wars movie, and those things didnt even shoot.
Star Destroyers have HUNDREDS of weapons that are vastly more powerful than Trek weapons. The big rebel ships DID shoot. Go watch the movie.

You didn't answer the question. The Empire cant fight something it can't see. The Scimitar would just sneak up on its ships and blow them up. HAven't you watched Return of the Jedi? A starfighter blows up the Supder Star Destroyer by doing that.

Excelsior · Post by **Excelsior** » 2003-01-03 05:29pm

TheDarkling wrote:Excelsior: Woah where did you get the idea that the DS can't fire past shields and this is important - the DS doesn't need to it simply knocks the shields out.

The scimitar needs to bypass shields or else it is useless again the Imperial planets.
The Scimitar could fit a limited role that the DS couldn't however it by no means beats the DS across the board.

I got the idea form you! HEre's what you said.

If the Scimitar can fire pasts hields with its main weapon then yes it does have an advantage over the DS but if not then it fails to be capable of what the death star is.

You said it would be an advantage if it could fire through shields, so I figured that the Death Star couldn't fire through shields. Besides, since when do planets have shields?

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-01-03 05:30pm

Excelsior wrote:The death star is not faster.

The DS was able to travel around a gas giant in 1/2 an hour. Prove that the Scimitar can match that.

TheScimitar was maneuvering a lot

Prove it. Provide numbers for how fast it was going and how much it was maneuvering. IF you can.

and its invisible.

SW has sensors that can pick up cloaked ships.

With the death star, all you have to do is point a gun in its general direction and your probably going to hit it.

The DS wasn't even scratched by the planetary debris from Alderaan. Any hit from the Scimitar's weapons will just bounce off the DS shields.

Even stormtroopers can hit the death Star! Watch the movie. Anyway, the Scimitar's also got much mreo weapons than its main gun.

So does the DS. Watch the movie.

It blew up two other ships, and badly damaged the Enterprise with them.

Just about anything can blow up Trek ships. All you need to do is set off the warp core.

Have you even seen Nemesis?

Waiting for it to come out on video. Just about everything I've heard so far tells me, "don't waste your money."

Excelsior · Post by **Excelsior** » 2003-01-03 05:30pm

Darth Servo wrote:
Excelsior wrote:Ah, so you admit the deth star can't fire past shields. Since it blew up those big ships in Return of th eJedi, we know that those ships arent shielded.
The DS CAN fire through shields. The Endor planetary shield was still up when the DS blew up the first Rebel cruiser.

LMAO! You think that sheild around the Death star was protecting the planet?

Besides, if the Scimitar needd to blow up a droid on a planet, they could do it with their little fighters.
Where do you get this crap?

Are you saying that those fighters that can blow updoors not even disruptors can scratch would be unable to blow up a droid? WTF are you talking about?

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-01-03 05:31pm

Excelsior wrote:Besides, since when do planets have shields?

Most major planets in SW have shields.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-01-03 05:34pm

The Death Star doesn't need to see the Scimitar to blow it up. The ENTIRE SURFACE is cover with turbolasers, all with the capability to vaporize 25 m asteroids in one shot. Simply firing blindly will guarantee at least one shot hitting the Scimitar, at which point the Imperials will know where it is, IF IT SURVIVES the hit.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-01-03 05:38pm

Excelsior wrote:LMAO! You think that sheild around the Death star was protecting the planet?

It was. Han Solo would NOT have been able to land on Endor with out the shield deactivation code.

ROTJ novelization wrote: Ackbar looked at the view-screen; the electronically generated web was gone. The moon, and the Death Star, now floated in black, empty, unprotected space.

Get it? The shield protected BOTH the DS and the planet.

Besides, if the Scimitar needd to blow up a droid on a planet, they could do it with their little fighters.
Where do you get this crap?

Are you saying that those fighters that can blow updoors not even disruptors can scratch would be unable to blow up a droid? WTF are you talking about?

I'm saying that with MILLIONS of driods on the planet, destroying one or two won't matter a bit, especially since many will fight back. (do you know what an assassin droid is?)

Excelsior · Post by **Excelsior** » 2003-01-03 05:40pm

Darth Servo wrote:The DS was able to travel around a gas giant in 1/2 an hour. Prove that the Scimitar can match that.

And how big was that Gas Giant? Look, we saw the Scimitar moving very fast in the movies. We never saw the Death star moving very fast. Beside, I can't rpove it until I get the video with numbers or anything, but you can tell which one's faster.

and its invisible.
SW has sensors that can pick up cloaked ships.

I seem to remember them saying that they couldn't find ships in Star Wars with cloaking devices. They thought that the Mellenium Falcon cloaked, but they couldn't have found it if it had.

With the death star, all you have to do is point a gun in its general direction and your probably going to hit it.
The DS wasn't even scratched by the planetary debris from Alderaan. Any hit from the Scimitar's weapons will just bounce off the DS shields.

Ive never even seen a shield in Star Wars, except in TPM. And that was a hot-rod fighter. Besides, if their shieolds are so strong, how come those starfighters can hur thte death star?

Even stormtroopers can hit the death Star! Watch the movie. Anyway, the Scimitar's also got much mreo weapons than its main gun.
So does the DS. Watch the movie.

Yeah, but the Scimitar's smaller.

It blew up two other ships, and badly damaged the Enterprise with them.
Just about anything can blow up Trek ships. All you need to do is set off the warp core.

All you need to do is set off the warp core? Trek ships have taken lots of photon torpedo hits in the past. Watch some of the episodes. If it's so easy, why don't they blow up after one hit?

Have you even seen Nemesis?
Waiting for it to come out on video. Just about everything I've heard so far tells me, "don't waste your money."

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Oh, so you're debating something you don't even know about. FYI, I HAVE watched the movie, and I know what would happen better than you do.