Would the Scimitar be of Interest to the Empire?

[Excelsior]

The Death Star doesn't need to see the Scimitar to blow it up. The ENTIRE SURFACE is cover with turbolasers, all with the capability to vaporize 25 m asteroids in one shot. Simply firing blindly will guarantee at least one shot hitting the Scimitar, at which point the Imperials will know where it is, IF IT SURVIVES the hit.

I see. And Star Destroyers arejust sitting there shooting randomly in all directions?

[Darth Yoshi]

I see. And Star Destroyers arejust sitting there shooting randomly in all directions?

Umm...they can track heat emissions, twit. And even if the Scimitar somehow masks its heat signature, a crystal gravfield trap (CGT) will pick up the gravitic flux caused by the artificial gravity on the Scimitar and by the Scimitar's movements. Unless you have the gall to claim that the Scimitar doesn't use artificial gravity.

And how big was that Gas Giant? Look, we saw the Scimitar moving very fast in the movies. We never saw the Death star moving very fast. Beside, I can't rpove it until I get the video with numbers or anything, but you can tell which one's faster.

You are assuming that the camera in both instances was stable, which you have no proof of.

Ive never even seen a shield in Star Wars, except in TPM. And that was a hot-rod fighter. Besides, if their shieolds are so strong, how come those starfighters can hur thte death star?

In TESB, Han says "Angle the deflectors." You do know that deflectors also means shields, right? Also, read the ANH novel. Han has his shields up when he arrives at Alderaan. And in TESB Hoth is said to have a shield that will deflect any bombardment. Just because you can't see the shield doesn't mean it isn't there. Kind of like the principle for dealing with cloaked ships.

The Death Star's shield was designed to stop weapons fire from reaching the surface. The fighters were already at the surface, ie under the shield. Twit.

[McNum]

Actually we did see the Death Star moving fast in the movies. Think of it this way: How DID the Death Star get to Yavin so quickly after they tracked the Millenium Falcon there? It certainly had to move fast to get there in time... Hyperdrive perhaps?

The reason the fighters could kill the Death Star is simple. An oversight in the design. This would have been fixed on the DS2, but it was never fully completed (thus leaving a direct route to the reactor).

[Darth Servo]

And how big was that Gas Giant?

The distance traveled was roughly 400,000 km. That works out to acceleration of 1700g's. See the details.

Look, we saw the Scimitar moving very fast in the movies.

From what I saw in the trailers, it wasn't anything to get excited about.

We never saw the Death star moving very fast.

Bullshit. See above.

Beside, I can't rpove it until I get the video with numbers or anything

Until you do, STFU.

but you can tell which one's faster.

Not without numbers for the Scimitar. You think that if the ship is fast relative to Trek ships that means something? Every single canon instance of Trek ships moving has Not been anything to get excited about.

Besides, the DS doesn't NEED to out maneuver the Scimitar. It has large turbolasers all over its surface. No matter which direction the Scim comes from, its going to get hammered right from the get go.

I seem to remember them saying that they couldn't find ships in Star Wars with cloaking devices. They thought that the Mellenium Falcon cloaked, but they couldn't have found it if it had.

They thought it had entered hyperspace. This kind of puts a hole in your theory.

Ive never even seen a shield in Star Wars, except in TPM. And that was a hot-rod fighter. Besides, if their shieolds are so strong, how come those starfighters can hur thte death star?

what drugs are you on?!?!

The Gungans had hand held shields AND dome shields over their armies in TPM. Thier underwater city had shields keeping the water out. The destroyer droids had portable shield generators. Hoth had a large shield protecting the rebel base. There was a shield protecting Amidala's quarters in AOTC. The big rebel cruisers had shields keeping the atmosphere in the landing bays.

SW cap ship shields are hull hugging which makes them invisible, but we hear about them constantly. The Star Destroyer commander orders, "shields up" when the Falcon is flying towards it in TESB.

Even stormtroopers can hit the death Star! Watch the movie. Anyway, the Scimitar's also got much mreo weapons than its main gun.

So does the DS. Watch the movie.

Yeah, but the Scimitar's smaller.

Which means it has FEWER WEAPONS. The DS gunners had no problem hitting the smaller rebel cruisers with the main cannon in ROTJ.

All you need to do is set off the warp core? Trek ships have taken lots of photon torpedo hits in the past. Watch some of the episodes. If it's so easy, why don't they blow up after one hit?

Because photon torpedos are pathetically WEAK.

Oh, so you're debating something you don't even know about. FYI, I HAVE watched the movie, and I know what would happen better than you do.

No, but as stated before, I HAVE seen the trailers, I have heard what others have said about the Scimitar and its NOTHING to get excited about.

[Excelsior]

I see. And Star Destroyers arejust sitting there shooting randomly in all directions?

Umm...they can track heat emissions, twit. And even if the Scimitar somehow masks its heat signature, a crystal gravfield trap (CGT) will pick up the gravitic flux caused by the artificial gravity on the Scimitar and by the Scimitar's movements. Unless you have the gall to claim that the Scimitar doesn't use artificial gravity.

Geordi saisd that Shinzon's cloak was perfect. I think I'll trust Geordi with such things. You can'tf ind the Scimitar with such stupid tricks.

And how big was that Gas Giant? Look, we saw the Scimitar moving very fast in the movies. We never saw the Death star moving very fast. Beside, I can't rpove it until I get the video with numbers or anything, but you can tell which one's faster.

You are assuming that the camera in both instances was stable, which you have no proof of.

Yeah, huh. How about the background stars that were moving not at all.

Ive never even seen a shield in Star Wars, except in TPM. And that was a hot-rod fighter. Besides, if their shieolds are so strong, how come those starfighters can hur thte death star?

In TESB, Han says "Angle the deflectors." You do know that deflectors also means shields, right? Also, read the ANH novel. Han has his shields up when he arrives at Alderaan. And in TESB Hoth is said to have a shield that will deflect any bombardment. Just because you can't see the shield doesn't mean it isn't there. Kind of like the principle for dealing with cloaked ships.

The Death Star's shield was designed to stop weapons fire from reaching the surface. The fighters were already at the surface, ie under the shield. Twit.

Then how come you CAN see the shield of the Gungans and the starfighter in The Crapdom Menace?

[Darth Yoshi]

Geordi saisd that Shinzon's cloak was perfect. I think I'll trust Geordi with such things. You can'tf ind the Scimitar with such stupid tricks.

Geordi gets his SI units mixed up. I think I'll not trust someone who doesn't know the difference between Watts and Joules (any high school student of physics would know that W=J/s where W=watts, J=joules, and s=seconds).

And how big was that Gas Giant? Look, we saw the Scimitar moving very fast in the movies. We never saw the Death star moving very fast. Beside, I can't rpove it until I get the video with numbers or anything, but you can tell which one's faster.

You are assuming that the camera in both instances was stable, which you have no proof of.

Yeah, huh. How about the background stars that were moving not at all.

I have no footage of Nemesis, so conceeded.

Ive never even seen a shield in Star Wars, except in TPM. And that was a hot-rod fighter. Besides, if their shieolds are so strong, how come those starfighters can hur thte death star?

In TESB, Han says "Angle the deflectors." You do know that deflectors also means shields, right? Also, read the ANH novel. Han has his shields up when he arrives at Alderaan. And in TESB Hoth is said to have a shield that will deflect any bombardment. Just because you can't see the shield doesn't mean it isn't there. Kind of like the principle for dealing with cloaked ships.

The Death Star's shield was designed to stop weapons fire from reaching the surface. The fighters were already at the surface, ie under the shield. Twit.

Then how come you CAN see the shield of the Gungans and the starfighter in The Crapdom Menace?[/quote]
I never said shields had to be invisible. Nice strawman, twit.

[Darth Servo]

Geordi saisd that Shinzon's cloak was perfect. I think I'll trust Geordi with such things. You can'tf ind the Scimitar with such stupid tricks.

Appeal to authority fallacy. NOTHING IS EVER PERFECT. Not in Real life, not in Star Trek.

Then how come you CAN see the shield of the Gungans and the starfighter in The Crapdom Menace?

Because not all shields are exactly the same you moron. It VI time.

You don't even want to know the cute nicknames I could come up with for Trek films (especially the one that is currently being assraped at the box office).

[Durandal]

Wow, Geordi commented on technology that he has had no chance to study thoroughly and just because the Enterprise can't defeat it, he proclaims it "perfect," and we're supposed to take his word?

[Howedar]

Does anyone but me find it odd that we've had troll/idiots with the names Sovereign and Galaxy and now have one called Excelsior (all Trekship classes)? Can we get some kind of IP check?

[Darth Servo]

Does anyone but me find it odd that we've had troll/idiots with the names Sovereign and Galaxy and now have one called Excelsior (all Trekship classes)? Can we get some kind of IP check?

I doubt they're the same person. Excelsior is an idiot to be sure but he hasn't posted any irrelevant pics yet and actually engages in debates unlike that dipshit Sovereign.

[Darth Servo]

Furthermore, 'Galaxy' knows how to spell and can form complete sentences which is something that Excelsior lacks.

[Darth Wong]

Excelsior is just a mathematical illiterate, and prefers subjective forms of "proof". Seen one sci-fi fanboy math-illiterate, seen 'em all.

As for Alyeska's arguments, to use your own smart-ass response, all of your points are wrong.

1) The Scimitar destroys all organic matter, which means it renders a planet worthless except for whatever technology is on it. Note: no more fish, no plants, no animals, no people. A planet like this would have to be terraformed just to be livable, and its only remaining natural resources would be minerals and equipment. This is not useful in a galaxy where human resources are more valuable than equipment (note the staggering industrial capacity required to build the Death Star, the existence of completely droid-controlled factory worlds, and the fact that the difficulty of mobilizing the Republic military was the creation of an army, not the creation of its equipment).

2) The fact that a ST ship can go to warp near a main-sequence star doesn't mean shit. In "Rebel Dawn", we saw a SW ship pass within a few thousand km of a neutron star before being pulled out of hyperspace. This defines the strength of an interdictor field as vastly in excess of any gravitational field in which we've ever seen Trek ships go to warp. As for "Relics", the fact that it was such a bumpy ride (does everyone forget about the ship shaking as they slow to sublight?) suggests to me that it would have been a bumpy ride at warp too, if not downright catastrophic.

3) Alyeska, what makes you think the Scimitar can charge its weapon in advance of arriving at the target? Warp drive consumes most of a ship's power when at warp, so what makes you think it's got enough power to spare?

4) It's been mentioned before, but it deserves mentioning again. There's no reason to believe the Scimitar's weapon would work against a shielded planet.

5) As for cloaks, don't give me this bullshit about how they can "mask" their emissions "with fields". That is nothing but feeble technobabble speculation and you know it. Mere diffusion wouldn't be enough against the background of space. Similarly, you can't just claim they'll hold all emissions inside the cloak; you have to prove that they can, not just mumble that we can't disprove it. Need I remind you that when ships are using impulse drive, other ST ships can detect their "trail" many HOURS later? They must dump a LOT of emissions, and even a "mass-lightened" ship isn't going to go anywhere if it isn't throwing something behind it.

[Darth Servo]

So much stupidity, so little time.

You think a weapon that totally destroys a planet in a fraction of a second is "an oversized Christmas ornament"?

CAn;t you take a joke? I know that a Christmas tree ornament doesn't blow things up, but they look the same.

a) Looks mean nothing.
b) As others here have already stated, jokes are supposed to be funny.

As far as I know, the Scimitar's main weapon didn't destroy things through energy output. Why don't you read the website? Scroll down to no math example.

Someone already pointed that page out to me on a different thread. I don't know how big the scimitar is, but even a tiny little box-size thing can kill everyone in an entire room. Last time I checked, nothing the size of a box in the Star WArs movies could do that.

Then why are you still spouting logical fallacies left and right?
As for killing everyone in a room, we have that today, its called poison gas.

You didn't answer the question. The Empire cant fight something it can't see. The Scimitar would just sneak up on its ships and blow them up. HAven't you watched Return of the Jedi? A starfighter blows up the Supder Star Destroyer by doing that.

No starfighter blew up any Star Destroyers in ROTJ or ever. The Super Star Destroyer was destroyed because it crashed into the Death Star.

The cloak issue had already been answered by others. No need for me to repeat them.

[Alyeska]

As for Alyeska's arguments, to use your own smart-ass response, all of your points are wrong.

Heh, maybe I shouldn't use the "Liar liar pants on fire!" tactic.

1) The Scimitar destroys all organic matter, which means it renders a planet worthless except for whatever technology is on it. Note: no more fish, no plants, no animals, no people. A planet like this would have to be terraformed just to be livable, and its only remaining natural resources would be minerals and equipment. This is not useful in a galaxy where human resources are more valuable than equipment (note the staggering industrial capacity required to build the Death Star, the existence of completely droid-controlled factory worlds, and the fact that the difficulty of mobilizing the Republic military was the creation of an army, not the creation of its equipment).

Point. But it should be noted that the Medusa weapon can be used on a much smaller scale as demonstrated by the Romulan Senate incident. There are other uses for this weapon then just total planet attack.

2) The fact that a ST ship can go to warp near a main-sequence star doesn't mean shit. In "Rebel Dawn", we saw a SW ship pass within a few thousand km of a neutron star before being pulled out of hyperspace. This defines the strength of an interdictor field as vastly in excess of any gravitational field in which we've ever seen Trek ships go to warp. As for "Relics", the fact that it was such a bumpy ride (does everyone forget about the ship shaking as they slow to sublight?) suggests to me that it would have been a bumpy ride at warp too, if not downright catastrophic.

Ok, not quite so clear cut as I first thought. I will have to look into examples on both sides before I can really accept what your saying, but I concede the point for now that Warp is not as free of interdictor as first thought.

3) Alyeska, what makes you think the Scimitar can charge its weapon in advance of arriving at the target? Warp drive consumes most of a ship's power when at warp, so what makes you think it's got enough power to spare?

Well, if used by an Imperial ship I rather think power should NOT be an issue. Thats sorta the point. The Empire looks at the technology and puts it to use. Doesn't mean they use the Scimitar, means they use the technology. Hypermater reactors put out just slightly more power then anti-mater reactors.

4) It's been mentioned before, but it deserves mentioning again. There's no reason to believe the Scimitar's weapon would work against a shielded planet.

Agreed. I am inclinded to believe that its use against shielded capships in Trek is about the limit of its use against shielded targets. Shielded planets are likely imune to its affects, that or just really freaking powerful shields (ala ISD).

5) As for cloaks, don't give me this bullshit about how they can "mask" their emissions "with fields". That is nothing but feeble technobabble speculation and you know it. Mere diffusion wouldn't be enough against the background of space. Similarly, you can't just claim they'll hold all emissions inside the cloak; you have to prove that they can, not just mumble that we can't disprove it. Need I remind you that when ships are using impulse drive, other ST ships can detect their "trail" many HOURS later? They must dump a LOT of emissions, and even a "mass-lightened" ship isn't going to go anywhere if it isn't throwing something behind it.

Why could they not mask their emissions? Sure its not very efficent power wise, and its likely to make a ship much slower. But hey, we already know that D'Deridex ships are slower while using cloaks then when not. I see no reason why they can't mask their drive emissions or hide them in other ways.

[Alyeska]

Does anyone but me find it odd that we've had troll/idiots with the names Sovereign and Galaxy and now have one called Excelsior (all Trekship classes)? Can we get some kind of IP check?

I was wondering much the same thing...

[Keevan_Colton]

Possibly the best use for the tech would be a non-military one.
Use the 'medusa' weapon to turn annoying creatures like gungans into amusing garden ornaments for sale throughout the galaxy....

Keevan.

[King Tiger]

4) It's been mentioned before, but it deserves mentioning again. There's no reason to believe the Scimitar's weapon would work against a shielded planet.

And there's reasons to believe it wouldn't.


1. The radiation inside the Romulan Senate stayed there. If a microscopic amount could kill the E-E, enough radiation to be visible and fill a room would wipe out a portion of the planet. Most likely the Senate was armored and sealed against outside NBC attack.

2. The Scimitar didn't kill its own crew. You might say it was a suicide mission but then why would Shizon want to save his life by killing Picard?

[Darth Wong]

As for Alyeska's arguments, to use your own smart-ass response, all of your points are wrong.

Heh, maybe I shouldn't use the "Liar liar pants on fire!" tactic.

Hoist by your own picard!

Point. But it should be noted that the Medusa weapon can be used on a much smaller scale as demonstrated by the Romulan Senate incident. There are other uses for this weapon then just total planet attack.

True. I'd agree that the weapon could find applications if the underlying technology is applied in other, more practical ways (a grenade, for example); I was thinking of the usefulness of the Scimitar itself.

Well, if used by an Imperial ship I rather think power should NOT be an issue. Thats sorta the point. The Empire looks at the technology and puts it to use. Doesn't mean they use the Scimitar, means they use the technology.

Granted, I wasn't thinking of it in those terms.

Why could they not mask their emissions?

I ask for proof that they can do something, so you ask for proof that they can't? Do I really need to remind you of the "demanding proof of a negative" fallacy, aka misdirected burden of proof?

If you're going to claim they can "mask" their emissions, you must first explain what this "masking" entails, and then you must show that they can do it. I've already presented the fact that ST ships leave an impulse trail that can be detected hours later; this is clear evidence that they actually throw quite a bit of material behind them. I have already referenced various physical laws and principles which make the very idea nonsensical. The ball is firmly in your court, Alyeska.

I reiterate that I can accept a cloaked ship concealing its emissions if it goes cold, but not if it's accelerating.

This idea that cloaking devices make sneak attacks possible is a bit silly. Sneak attacks are already ridiculously simple. If you wanted to commit a sneak attack in SW, you could easily take a large freighter, fill its cargo hold with generators and heavy weapons, and then just cruise toward an unsuspecting planet, open the hold, and blast away, killing millions. Simple, old-fashioned, and effective. Or you could take just about ANY ship, fly at low altitude and drop a dozen seismic charges, again killing millions. The absence of such tactics reflects more on the society and culture of SW than on any great need for technobabble to make them easier. There is a sense of a genteel era, where even wars are conducted under certain rules.

[Crayz9000]

Does anyone but me find it odd that we've had troll/idiots with the names Sovereign and Galaxy and now have one called Excelsior (all Trekship classes)? Can we get some kind of IP check?

It's a DSL IP pool. He's not Sovereign or Galaxy, either; I have no idea if he's original.

This dimwit really should shape up or ship out, though.

[Ender]

Would the scimitar interest the Empire? Erm... YEAH!

Lets see. The Scimitar has dozens of torpedoes and disruptors, can fire while its cloaked and it has a weapon that can kill everything on an entire planet. The thin'gs better than the death star, if you ask me. After all, the death star got blown up by some crappy lttle starfighters. the scimitar never would have lost, like that.

Going by what we saw in the movie, a squadron f those "crappy" starfighters pack enough firepower to reduce the Scimitar to scrap metal.

THats where you're wrong. The death star is just an oversized Christmas ornament. If the scimitar was that big, it would have more than enough power to destroy a planet. It could probably blow up stars, and stuff, like that.

I would love to hear how radiation would make a star go nova.

And answer me this, the scimitar has dozens of torpedo and disrupter guns. There's no way the Empire could fight that.

There's no way that any of that could get through the shields.

They lost to those big ships in the last Star Wars movie, and those things didnt even shoot.

Please upload this magic movie of yours that shows the rebels not shooting back.

Yeah. Th difference is that the SCimitar's better.

Yes, the thing has MT level shields, is slow as fuck in FTL, and would get blown up by a corvette, but it's better then the Death Star.

Let's see: the Scimitar's got a cloaking device, and the death star doesn't do that. The Simitar can fire while it's cloaked, the death star can't do that.

You make the point that the DS lacks a cloak, then claim that it can't fire through a cloak, something you cannot prove because it lacks one. And SW ships can fire through cloaks BTW

The Scimitar's got warp engines. Death star doesn't.

Yes, the DS has a hyperdrive, which is better.

The Scimitar's impossible to find when its cloaked, the death star's not even able to cloak.

If the Scimitar is impossible to find while cloaked, why was the Enterprise able to do so? And since it is still physically there, gravity scans will detect it by its mass

The scimitar can kill eeveryone on an entire planet, the death star can do that.

You don't grasp the incredible difference in power level there, do you?

The death star is much bigger, and so it requires a bigger ship to be as powerful as a Scimitar.

Except the Scimitar produces nowhere near as much power as a 32 year old cargo ship in wars.

And the scimitar is more maneuverable.

The DS is a sphere, which means it doesn't have to manuver to present more weapons as 50% of them can be targeted at any point from any angle of attack.

Why don't you say what your evidence is that the Death Star's better.

Lets see, it is faster, has more powerful shields, can punch through shields and blow up planets in an instant, is more heavily armed, represents superior engineering, represents superior logistics, carries more troops and fighters, and has a single weakenss easily corrected.

Ah, so you admit the deth star can't fire past shields. Since it blew up those big ships in Return of th eJedi, we know that those ships arent shielded.

Wow, that is not at all what he said. Further, we saw it knock down Alderaan's shields in A New Hope, and in Return of the Jedi we saw that those ships had shields when we saw the turbolaser blasts being deflected.

Besides, if the Scimitar needd to blow up a droid on a planet, they could do it with their little fighters.

Show they have the sensors to find one droid on an entire planet, show they can target somethign as small as a droid.

The death star is not faster.

No, it just crossed half the galaxy in under a day, but it's not faster.

TheScimitar was maneuvering a lot, and its invisible. With the death star, all you have to do is point a gun in its general direction and your probably going to hit it.

Yes, but unlike the Scimitar, the DS has good shields so it won't matter.

Even stormtroopers can hit the death Star! Watch the movie. Anyway, the Scimitar's also got much mreo weapons than its main gun. It blew up two other ships, and badly damaged the Enterprise with them.

The DS also has more guns, all of which are more powerful then anything in Trek.

CAn;t you take a joke? I know that a Christmas tree ornament doesn't blow things up, but they look the same.

Something must be funny to be a joke.

Someone already pointed that page out to me on a different thread. I don't know how big the scimitar is, but even a tiny little box-size thing can kill everyone in an entire room. Last time I checked, nothing the size of a box in the Star WArs movies could do that.

Return of the Jedi, Leia's thermal detanator would have killed everyone in the room.

You didn't answer the question. The Empire cant fight something it can't see.

You mean like how the Enterprise can't fight something it can't see either, but still managed to do so?

The Scimitar would just sneak up on its ships and blow them up. HAven't you watched Return of the Jedi? A starfighter blows up the Supder Star Destroyer by doing that.

No, it damaged the ship after a few dozen cruisers targeted it and concentrated their firepower to take down it's shields. It took the Death Star exploding to destroy it.

I got the idea form you! HEre's what you said.

If the Scimitar can fire pasts hields with its main weapon then yes it does have an advantage over the DS but if not then it fails to be capable of what the death star is.

You said it would be an advantage if it could fire through shields, so I figured that the Death Star couldn't fire through shields.

the fact that you lack any semblance of reading comprehensionskills does not make what you believe true.

Besides, since when do planets have shields?

Since the first movie came out in 1977

LMAO! You think that sheild around the Death star was protecting the planet?

1) That is not at all what he said.
2) It was, hence why they needed the shield dropped to land the shuttle, they could have just come in on the other side of the planets and flown in low to the target if it wasn't totally shielded

Are you saying that those fighters that can blow updoors not even disruptors can scratch would be unable to blow up a droid? WTF are you talking about?

Show they have the targeting ability to find and hit the droid

And how big was that Gas Giant? Look, we saw the Scimitar moving very fast in the movies. We never saw the Death star moving very fast.

Using the circumference of jupiter divided by 2 (assuming the DS dropped out halfway around the gas giant and that Yavin is the size of jupiter) and dividing by 1800 (30 minutes times 60 seconds) it drops out to just shy of 240 kilometers per second. That is far faster then what the Scimitar was pulling, which was 50 k/s at best.

Beside, I can't rpove it until I get the video with numbers or anything, but you can tell which one's faster.

So you have no proof, but your complete confidence in yourself means you are correct despite your lack of evidence and the fact that if you bother to spend 2 minutes on google and a calculator you get proven wrong.

I seem to remember them saying that they couldn't find ships in Star Wars with cloaking devices. They thought that the Mellenium Falcon cloaked, but they couldn't have found it if it had.

They never said they could not find it if it had cloaked.

Ive never even seen a shield in Star Wars, except in TPM. And that was a hot-rod fighter.

Tell me, did you even watch the movies? You can see the shote being disperesd along the hull, planetary shields are mentioned or seen in all three of the originals, and it is full of dialogue about the deflector shields.

Besides, if their shieolds are so strong, how come those starfighters can hur thte death star?

Because the vent was not particle shielded, only ray shielded, just like they said in the movie.

Yeah, but the Scimitar's smaller.

Wow, you did absolutly nothing to counter his point there.

All you need to do is set off the warp core? Trek ships have taken lots of photon torpedo hits in the past. Watch some of the episodes.

Like say, Cause and Effect?

If it's so easy, why don't they blow up after one hit?

Funny, I recall them doing exactly that. Sometimes (IE Yesterday's Enterprise) the shields didn't even have to fall first.

Oh, so you're debating something you don't even know about. FYI, I HAVE watched the movie, and I know what would happen better than you do.

Yes, but judging from your claims here you have never seen Star Wars, so I'd say you are in the same boat.

I see. And Star Destroyers arejust sitting there shooting randomly in all directions?

It's what the Enterprise did. And even then gravity sensors would detect the things mass.

Geordi saisd that Shinzon's cloak was perfect. I think I'll trust Geordi with such things.

Tarkin said the Death Star was the ultimate power in the universe. Should I take that at face value as well?

You can'tf ind the Scimitar with such stupid tricks.

If it's there and has mass, sufficiently powerful sensors will find it. Plus there is the simple fact that it would have to radiate heat unless they wanted to cook the crew.

Yeah, huh. How about the background stars that were moving not at all.

The stars do not noticably move from a position on earth unless you watch for a year. Does that mean the earth is still as well?

Then how come you CAN see the shield of the Gungans and the starfighter in The Crapdom Menace?

Energy interacts with an atmosphere. Before everytime the shields are up they are in a vaccuum or we are too far away to see.

[Ender]

I just want to point out that if it tkaes 7 minutes to charge the weapons, Wars superior power generation might cut that down drastically.

[Darth Garden Gnome]

I just want to point out that if it tkaes 7 minutes to charge the weapons, Wars superior power generation might cut that down drastically.

Indeed, and since a hypermatter reactor is many orders of magnitude more powerful than a warp reactor, it may literaly take only seconds.

[Darth Wong]

I just want to point out that if it tkaes 7 minutes to charge the weapons, Wars superior power generation might cut that down drastically.

Indeed, and since a hypermatter reactor is many orders of magnitude more powerful than a warp reactor, it may literaly take only seconds.

Assuming it can handle that kind of power. If you pump a kilowatt into a D-cell NiCad battery, it won't recharge really fast; it will just blow up.

[Darth Garden Gnome]

Well said. I believe however that it would be most possible, with proper research, that the 'Medusa Gun' could be modifyed to handle such an outrageous increase in energy. If not, they could simply push it to the very upper limit of deployment. Although the Scimitar may have been doing just that, not that they were in any hurry though. Shinzon thought he had Picard cornered.

[Ender]

My assumption is that they would have adapted the tech to be compatible to wars power systems so that wouldn't be an issue Wong.