Federation "Argo" vs. Naboo "Flash" Spee

King Tiger · Post by **King Tiger** » 2003-01-03 07:06pm

The "Argo" vehicle seen in ST:N vs the "Flash" Speeder seen in SW:TMP.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-01-03 07:13pm

The Argo made small explosions in the ground about as powerful as a very small concussion grenade. The Flash killed a fucking tank. "Nuff said.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-01-03 07:14pm

Also *arms RPP-Rocket Propelled Poke, and braces it over shoulder*

POKE!!!!!

King Tiger · Post by **King Tiger** » 2003-01-03 07:16pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:The Argo made small explosions in the ground about as powerful as a very small concussion grenade. The Flash killed a fucking tank. "Nuff said.

But the Flash has a vulnerable cockpit, weapon and engines. Firepower might not be the deciding factor here.

King Tiger · Post by **King Tiger** » 2003-01-03 07:18pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Also *arms RPP-Rocket Propelled Poke, and braces it over shoulder*

POKE!!!!!

A mear RPP penetrating a modern day tank? NEVER!

*realizes the Tiger isn't modern*

Shit.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-01-03 07:19pm

King Tiger wrote:But the Flash has a vulnerable cockpit.

So does the argo.

POKE

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-01-03 07:22pm

The Argo has pathetic plastic rods to protect the crew from a tank killing gun. I'm sure they feel safe in there. And the Flash can travel at speeds in excess of the Argos persuers on Kol-whatever.... And Worf had a hell of a time hitting them. They wouldn't even see it coming.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-03 07:37pm

The Flash offers minimal protection for its occupants, but the Argo provides less (virtually full-body exposure from the side).

The Flash has enough firepower to blow a giant gaping hole in the side of a tank. The Argo has as much firepower as a modern grenade launcher.

The Flash is really fucking fast, over any kind of terrain thanks to its repulsorlift. The Argo is a modern dune buggy.

The Flash has a virtually unrestricted field of fire for its weapon. The Argo's weapon can only fire backwards, which makes sense since it will be running away if its driver has any sense at all.

No contest.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-03 07:55pm

Its like taking a quadbike with a light machine gun on the back and comparing it to an open cockpit version of the A-10......
I know where I want to be.....

King Tiger · Post by **King Tiger** » 2003-01-03 09:41pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:The Argo has pathetic plastic rods to protect the crew from a tank killing gun. I'm sure they feel safe in there.

The Flash doesn't seem to have very much.

And the Flash can travel at speeds in excess of the Argos persuers on Kol-whatever.... And Worf had a hell of a time hitting them. They wouldn't even see it coming.

1. Please provide proof of its speed.
2. What makes you think it can hit the Argo?

King Tiger · Post by **King Tiger** » 2003-01-03 09:45pm

Darth Wong wrote:The Flash offers minimal protection for its occupants, but the Argo provides less (virtually full-body exposure from the side).

Um, AFAIK, the Flash mearly has a windshield.

The Flash has enough firepower to blow a giant gaping hole in the side of a tank. The Argo has as much firepower as a modern grenade launcher.

But would not either be lethal?

The Flash is really fucking fast,

Didn't seem to be.

over any kind of terrain thanks to its repulsorlift. The Argo is a modern dune buggy.

Yes.

The Flash has a virtually unrestricted field of fire for its weapon. The Argo's weapon can only fire backwards, which makes sense since it will be running away if its driver has any sense at all.

No contest.

Oh yeah.

King Tiger · Post by **King Tiger** » 2003-01-03 09:50pm

How about the speeder with a blaster cannon at the back (seen firing at TF droids)

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-01-03 09:50pm

My understanding was that Argo was a shuttle. It would kick a speeder's ass.

King Tiger · Post by **King Tiger** » 2003-01-03 09:55pm

Howedar wrote:My understanding was that Argo was a shuttle. It would kick a speeder's ass.

IIRC there's a close up of the dune buggy with the word "Argo."

Besides, if it was the shuttle, I doubt Picard would be so eager to try out the Argo. They just launched from the ship and landed. Ooh, exciting!

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-01-03 09:56pm

Howedar wrote:My understanding was that Argo was a shuttle. It would kick a speeder's ass.

Hmmm, pretty sure it was the buggy. Anyways even if it was the shuttle we are talking about the buggy. An dhwo do you know the shuttle had any weapons?

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-01-03 09:56pm

Howedar wrote:My understanding was that Argo was a shuttle. It would kick a speeder's ass.

The Argo was the Buggy/Shuttle combo. Picard wouldn't have been talking about trying out the Argo if it was just the shuttle.

King Tiger · Post by **King Tiger** » 2003-01-03 09:57pm

If the shuttle was armed is a moot point. We're discussing the dune buggy.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-01-03 09:58pm

As for the Flash versus the Argo, this is no contest. The Argo has such a narrow field of fire that it has to not only maneuver so that it's gun is effective at all, but it has to be driving away from the opponent to use it. The Flash doesn't. The Argo is massively dead as it will be too busy turning around to fight back.

King Tiger · Post by **King Tiger** » 2003-01-03 09:58pm

Gil Hamilton wrote:
Howedar wrote:My understanding was that Argo was a shuttle. It would kick a speeder's ass.
The Argo was the Buggy/Shuttle combo. Picard wouldn't have been talking about trying out the Argo if it was just the shuttle.

That would get pretty confusing. They should have called the buggy something like Argo-II or Argo-V(vehicle).

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-01-03 10:00pm

King Tiger wrote:Um, AFAIK, the Flash mearly has a windshield.

It has more protection on the sides and rear. The Argo mearly has plastic tubing.

But would not either be lethal?

Only if it directly went inside the cockpit, any near-misses would be useless. And I recall Worf making a hell of a lot of near misses at those aliens chasing them.

Didn't seem to be.

There is a breif scene in TPM where we see a Flash speeder just blazing across the fields, IIRC.

Oh yeah.

Do I detect a hint of sarcasm?

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-01-03 10:04pm

King Tiger wrote:That would get pretty confusing. They should have called the buggy something like Argo-II or Argo-V(vehicle).

Well, the shuttle was labelled the Argo, but it would make sense given the context for Picard wanting to try out a shuttle, since he's flown them before. Most likely, "Argo" is the combo of the two. Besides, if it was something like "Argo-V", Picard may not have mentioned it anyway since Riker would know precisely what he was talking about anyway and there was probably much talk about the little dune buggy (even if it was 3 centuries out of date and didn't even have heavy off-road coil springs but rather leaf springs limiting it's offroad capablity).

King Tiger · Post by **King Tiger** » 2003-01-03 10:05pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:
King Tiger wrote:Um, AFAIK, the Flash mearly has a windshield.
It has more protection on the sides and rear. The Argo mearly has plastic tubing.

Oh.

But would not either be lethal?

Only if it directly went inside the cockpit, any near-misses would be useless. And I recall Worf making a hell of a lot of near misses at those aliens chasing them.

AFAIK Worf isn't a great shot.

Didn't seem to be.

There is a breif scene in TPM where we see a Flash speeder just blazing across the fields, IIRC.

Really? I haven't seen TPM in a while so I can neither confirm nor deny that.

Oh yeah.
Do I detect a hint of sarcasm?

Hardly. The fact that while the Flash can fire in any direction while the Argo has a very limited FoR gives the Flash an extreme advantage.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-01-03 10:12pm

King Tiger wrote:AFAIK Worf isn't a great shot.

*grumbles* Not a whole bunch of people in SF are....

Really? I haven't seen TPM in a while so I can neither confirm nor deny that.

Well me either, just recalling on memory. And that doesn't always help.

Hardly. The fact that while the Flash can fire in any direction while the Argo has a very limited FoR gives the Flash an extreme advantage.

Oh I see, nevermind.

King Tiger · Post by **King Tiger** » 2003-01-03 10:15pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:
King Tiger wrote:AFAIK Worf isn't a great shot.
*grumbles* Not a whole bunch of people in SF are....

The Argo's Phaser cannon seems to be manually operated like a M2. And I didn't see even an iron sight. However the Flash AT turret was computer controled and probably targeted. Would this play a role?

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-01-03 10:19pm

You better your flip-flops it will! And its not so much that the Flash' is computer controlled, because sometimes that can be a hinderance more than a help. Its because those Feds won't be able to hit the Flash! Not the way Worf was aiming (which again isn't to say there aren't ones with good shots, just that I haven't seen them

).