Darth Kalgarath wrote:Think about it. The cybernetic can be upgraded when new systems are avaiable, they can be programmed to ignore pain and simulate the sense of touch, have much greater lifting/carrying capasity comparred to the cloned limb, and can even be 'modded' to include such things as a concealed blaster holster or a cable gun (viz: Grevious) , or such things as storage pockets and other goodies. I mean, come-on, wouldn't you want a cybernetic arm that could double as a plasma cannon if you were given the choice between it or a cloned replacement to the limb you just lost?
All true but the carrying capacity. You're still limited by what forces you can put on the attach point and the rest of the body. It would be possible to carry caustic and dangerous items though.
Also, RE the golf course, there are desert courses in the American southwest that do not have any grass, merely well groomed rock and hardpacked sand. The area immediately around the Lars residence actually seems close to ideal for this.
It could be sort of a left-over stigma attached to clone troops from the Clone Wars. I.E. Clones are inferior so why would I want to become partially cloned? (Also providing a reason why Boba would clone a leg as opposed to Tenal Ka.) Thus, even though it could be cheap as dirt to get a cloned limb or organ people avoid it for the stigma. Ditto with cybernetic upgrades, probably again coming from the Clone Wars ("We don't allow their kind in here.")
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I just write off the "Padme not knowing she had twins thing" as either part of Naboo Custom (similar to the absence of inquiry about the identity of the father) or perhaps out of paranoia from leaving any sort of record that might jeopardize Anakin's position as a Jedi or her own position as a Senator.
I'm not even sure that anyone other than her or Anakin knew about the pregnancy prior to her death. She might not have even known until late in the pregnancy (slim possibility), this is the same couple who failed to use any sort of contraception despite knowing the complications a pregnancy would create..
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Aquatain wrote:As far as i know it takes 10 years to grow a clone trooper ..wouldn't it take as long to grow a arm or a leg to the correct size?
And if that's the case would anybody wait 10 years for a new arm when you can get a perfectly working mechanical one right away?
Spaarti and Xagoban cloning technology allows for adult clones to be grown in as little as two weeks, even if they are normally unstable, and even Kaminoans had greatly sped-up their own process by the end of the end of the Clone Wars. Also, keep in mind, individual limbs are not as complicated as whole, functioning organisms, and need not take as much time. Sources like the Medstar Duology indicate that organs and limbs can be produced without any "host" that has to harvested.
Suppose that, in order to have a replacement, cloned arm, you need to clone an entire body and then kill it to get just the arm. This is debated today as a future possibility. No one knows for sure yet if you can grow just an arm without genetic tinkering. Some organs can be regrown standalone, but that's a different method and not really cloning.
If this is the case, it seems understandable if a cloned part is considered... well, ethically questionable.
I had a theory about why cloning jedi dont work even though SW cloning technology is very advanced. The official explanation about cloning a Jedi is that the clone goes insane hence it is impractical to raise an army Skywalkers....
However I think a different explanation would be better. When a Jedi is cloned it is perfecltly normal but does not inherit the force powers. That is because the force is magic linked to the soul or some equaly intangible thingy not genetics.
Too bad the midichlorian explanation for the force invalidates this now. But I like my explanation more since I like to think of the force as magic instead of x-men like mutant power.
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Sarevok wrote:I had a theory about why cloning jedi dont work even though SW cloning technology is very advanced. The official explanation about cloning a Jedi is that the clone goes insane hence it is impractical to raise an army Skywalkers....
However I think a different explanation would be better. When a Jedi is cloned it is perfecltly normal but does not inherit the force powers. That is because the force is magic linked to the soul or some equaly intangible thingy not genetics.
Too bad the midichlorian explanation for the force invalidates this now. But I like my explanation more since I like to think of the force as magic instead of x-men like mutant power.
Luuke from the Thrawn Trilogy already invalidates your theory anyway.
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I'm pretty sure that cloning of limbs and organs is outlawed in the post-clone-wars EU. In the 'Tales of the Bounty Hunters' the hunter Zuckuss was trying to get enough credits to buy black-market, illegally cloned lungs to replace his own. They can do 'regeneration' with bacta, but its been said more than once that cloning is illegal.
I also recall in 'Han Solo's Revenge' that the slaves he was supposed to transport were natural experts at genetic manipulation, which is ALSO frowned upon.
So, they don't do cloned organs for the same reason we don't eat pigeons. Its just not done
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Sarevok wrote:I had a theory about why cloning jedi dont work even though SW cloning technology is very advanced. The official explanation about cloning a Jedi is that the clone goes insane hence it is impractical to raise an army Skywalkers....
However I think a different explanation would be better. When a Jedi is cloned it is perfecltly normal but does not inherit the force powers. That is because the force is magic linked to the soul or some equaly intangible thingy not genetics.
Too bad the midichlorian explanation for the force invalidates this now. But I like my explanation more since I like to think of the force as magic instead of x-men like mutant power.
Luuke from the Thrawn Trilogy already invalidates your theory anyway.
nightmare wrote:Suppose that, in order to have a replacement, cloned arm, you need to clone an entire body and then kill it to get just the arm. This is debated today as a future possibility. No one knows for sure yet if you can grow just an arm without genetic tinkering. Some organs can be regrown standalone, but that's a different method and not really cloning.
If this is the case, it seems understandable if a cloned part is considered... well, ethically questionable.
Not necessarily. We can already grow some replacement body parts such as ears and some organs using modern technology. Considering how much more advanced is growing an inert body part should be relatively easy. But as mentioned it's likely more expensive than your average person could afford.
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nightmare wrote:Suppose that, in order to have a replacement, cloned arm, you need to clone an entire body and then kill it to get just the arm. This is debated today as a future possibility. No one knows for sure yet if you can grow just an arm without genetic tinkering. Some organs can be regrown standalone, but that's a different method and not really cloning.
If this is the case, it seems understandable if a cloned part is considered... well, ethically questionable.
Not necessarily. We can already grow some replacement body parts such as ears and some organs using modern technology. Considering how much more advanced is growing an inert body part should be relatively easy. But as mentioned it's likely more expensive than your average person could afford.
No, that's not true at all. We can regrow livers because they are already self-regenerating organs that can take quite a lot of punishment. That's not a cloning technique at all. An arm is way more complicated than ears and livers.
Quick question, would a clone arm have the same muscle memory or tone/density of the original What about reflexes
Highschool biology was never really my thing so an simple answear would be nice.
There's also the posibility that cloning body parts is illegal due to identity theft issues. Example, I have an arm cloned, a hacker breaks into my medical files, said hacker then clones an eyeball and uses it in the retinal scan of my bank.
Finally what if cloning body parts was illegal becasue of vested interests by the robotic makers
Also arn't the robotic arms an offshoot of droid technology? If so it would make maintaining and repairing much easier, not to mention cost would be lower because most parts could be "off the shelf"
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would a clone arm have the same muscle memory or tone/density of the original What about reflexes?
If by 'muscle memory' you mean procedural memory, that's kept in the brain. The tone and density would be, I suspect, to order, and anyway would be exercisable. The reflexes are also handled in the CNS, though limited by the timeliness of sensing data.
As far as robotics companies pushing for making it illegal, hell yeah. Propaganda can explain a lot.
JGregory32 wrote:Also arn't the robotic arms an offshoot of droid technology? If so it would make maintaining and repairing much easier, not to mention cost would be lower because most parts could be "off the shelf" :?:
While VERY low on the Canon ladder, the RPG mentions that your standard Cybernetic implant is, in fact, an off the shelf droid part. Presumably, the more luxurious models would be made by the same companies (or subsidaries thereof).
Also, man this thread was dormant for a long time. Everyone's been raising decent points to explain my initial complaint.
I've just finished reading DarkNest: The SwarmWar and there Mara is in need of a new kidney. According to the medics it will take a month to clone a new organ and implant it.
So how complex is a kidney compared to a liver or an arm?
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FTeik wrote:I've just finished reading DarkNest: The SwarmWar and there Mara is in need of a new kidney. According to the medics it will take a month to clone a new organ and implant it.
So how complex is a kidney compared to a liver or an arm?
Quite it has multiple layers of ducts many different inernal bodies and it doesn't naturally regenerate like a liver already does complicating the matter.
The liver isn't the simplest organ in the body but its primary function is in removing toxins from the blood and storing sugars foe emergency use by the body. It has to have massive regenration capabilities for this reason. the kidneys filter impurities out of the blood and ducts them away. Dehydrations can be a problem if limits the effectiness of the kindeys functioning.
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FTeik wrote:I've just finished reading DarkNest: The SwarmWar and there Mara is in need of a new kidney. According to the medics it will take a month to clone a new organ and implant it.
So how complex is a kidney compared to a liver or an arm?
A kidney is one organ, an arm has nine intertwined organs. A liver can regenerate from just 10% tissue. Livers and kidneys happen to be two of the few organs we can - to some degree - grow. Which means they are easiest to replace. But the part about cloning a new organ is interesting, as it suggests that they would use cloning rather than regrowth.
FTeik wrote:I've just finished reading DarkNest: The SwarmWar and there Mara is in need of a new kidney. According to the medics it will take a month to clone a new organ and implant it.
So how complex is a kidney compared to a liver or an arm?
A kidney is one organ, an arm has nine intertwined organs. A liver can regenerate from just 10% tissue. Livers and kidneys happen to be two of the few organs we can - to some degree - grow. Which means they are easiest to replace. But the part about cloning a new organ is interesting, as it suggests that they would use cloning rather than regrowth.
From the wound Mara suffered to it seemed, as if there wasn't enough left to start a regrowth.
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What about reflexes 
