XBox in the land of the rising sun

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-03-05 11:23pm

If the Japanese don't buy US computers, what do they use? Intel, IBM and Apple are all US companies. US cars sell poorly in MOST of the non-US world, I can't think of a US TV manufacturer off the top of my head (since Philips and Pioneer are European IIRC), and there are TWO US consoles and they're not very interesting to the Japanese.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2007-03-06 12:22am

Pioneer is Japanese, Stark.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2007-03-06 12:25am

There are actually quite a few RPGs lined up for the 360 in the near future. Having games that appeal to the Japanese market is definitely something that will boost sales.

Goddamn, Eternal Sonata looks gorgeous.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-03-06 12:28am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Pioneer is Japanese, Stark.

But they don't have a culturally-identifiable name!

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2007-03-06 01:11am

CaptHawkeye wrote:
Praxis wrote:
CaptHawkeye wrote:It would have to not be an American product.
Don't be stupid.

iPods and Levi's sell like hot cakes in Japan. iPods blow away any equivilant Sony product in the Japanese market.
That's one or two products in comparison to whole bunch of other American products the Japanese refuse to go near. Cars, televisions, computers, video game consoles and their subsequent games. Even if some American products do sell every now and then, their is an obvious bias against American produced products in Japan.

No, you're just being retarded.

Cars? NOBODY buys American cars, let's be honest

Okay, that's an exagguration, but in Europe, most people are not using American cars either.

Computers? Japanese use entirely American processors, motherboards, graphics cards, and software (Windows and Mac OS X).

Televisions? Heck, even most Americans use Japanese televisions.

I've talked to Japanese people about this before. In Japan, foreign things are COOL to the Japanese. Non-Japanese music can appear on their top ten selling music charts, outselling Japanese music...even though they can't understand the language, they buy it.

Starbucks and McDonalds are at every corner.

http://www.4colorrebellion.com/archives ... tionalism/

Read that article and stop talking.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2007-03-06 01:13am

Stark wrote:and there are TWO US consoles and they're not very interesting to the Japanese.

What's the other one?

Microsoft is U.S....Sony and Nintendo are Japanese.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2007-03-06 01:16am

Might be that Stark's referring to both X-boxes.

Count Dooku · Post by **Count Dooku** » 2007-03-06 01:31am

DPDarkPrimus wrote:There are actually quite a few RPGs lined up for the 360 in the near future. Having games that appeal to the Japanese market is definitely something that will boost sales.

Goddamn, Eternal Sonata looks gorgeous.

There are only three good RPG's I can think of: Mass Effect (I want that game soooo badly), Bioshock, and Two Worlds; and Two Worlds looks like an Oblivion rip-off. The other two looks amazing though...

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2007-03-06 03:34am

Count Dooku wrote:
DPDarkPrimus wrote:There are actually quite a few RPGs lined up for the 360 in the near future. Having games that appeal to the Japanese market is definitely something that will boost sales.

Goddamn, Eternal Sonata looks gorgeous.
There are only three good RPG's I can think of: Mass Effect (I want that game soooo badly), Bioshock, and Two Worlds; and Two Worlds looks like an Oblivion rip-off. The other two looks amazing though...

You only listed RPGs made by American or European developers. Bioshock isn't an RPG.

I just mentioned Eternal Sonata. Look it up.

CaptHawkeye · Post by **CaptHawkeye** » 2007-03-06 06:37am

Praxis wrote:
CaptHawkeye wrote:
Praxis wrote: Don't be stupid.

iPods and Levi's sell like hot cakes in Japan. iPods blow away any equivilant Sony product in the Japanese market.
That's one or two products in comparison to whole bunch of other American products the Japanese refuse to go near. Cars, televisions, computers, video game consoles and their subsequent games. Even if some American products do sell every now and then, their is an obvious bias against American produced products in Japan.
No, you're just being retarded.

Cars? NOBODY buys American cars, let's be honest Okay, that's an exagguration, but in Europe, most people are not using American cars either.

Computers? Japanese use entirely American processors, motherboards, graphics cards, and software (Windows and Mac OS X).

Televisions? Heck, even most Americans use Japanese televisions.

I've talked to Japanese people about this before. In Japan, foreign things are COOL to the Japanese. Non-Japanese music can appear on their top ten selling music charts, outselling Japanese music...even though they can't understand the language, they buy it.

Starbucks and McDonalds are at every corner.

http://www.4colorrebellion.com/archives ... tionalism/

Read that article and stop talking.

Point conceded. I know when i'm beat.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2007-03-06 10:11am

Really though, who can blame them for staying away from American cars or TVs? American car design is completely inappropriate to Japanese requirements, and there are no American TV brands worth getting exctited about.

Covenant · Post by **Covenant** » 2007-03-06 03:14pm

I didn't even know we still made TV's. I figured that we just had big companies that'd come up with new fancy TV technology, but that the real mass-production work wouldl predominantly be done by the electronics business overseas.

Their extremely Japan-centric buying is a real goofy thing, and it's true, but it's not as bad as most people make it out to be. It's less that they fear it's non Japanese origin than the Japanese are extremely strange, and few people know how to package and market products for everyone else also to them. Jeans and iPods and such are the exception, cuz just about everyone likes jeans, and they love gizmos more than we do.

I'm not suprised they don't like the X-Box though. The kinds of games they flock to are just so strange. And, seriously, what's with all the Dragon Quest love? It's just another RPG at this point. Well whatev', I just hope that the X-Box tries to adapt it's market over there, and that Nintendo starts selling us foreignors some games marketed to us. I really don't want wierd lame shit like animal crossing.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2007-03-06 07:13pm

Covenant wrote:I didn't even know we still made TV's. I figured that we just had big companies that'd come up with new fancy TV technology, but that the real mass-production work wouldl predominantly be done by the electronics business overseas.

Not even that. All the fancy TV technology is basically made either by Sharp or Sony in Japan or Samsung or LG in Korea.

I'm not suprised they don't like the X-Box though. The kinds of games they flock to are just so strange. And, seriously, what's with all the Dragon Quest love? It's just another RPG at this point. Well whatev', I just hope that the X-Box tries to adapt it's market over there, and that Nintendo starts selling us foreignors some games marketed to us. I really don't want wierd lame shit like animal crossing.

It should be pointed out that whilst DQ is far from unique in the market as it was when it was released with only Ultima to compete with, it's still a very good RPG. It's basically a safe bet. If you like that sort of RNG driven combat and exploratory overworld game, you'll like Dragon Quest.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2007-03-06 07:29pm

CaptHawkeye wrote:
Point conceded. I know when i'm beat.

Wait, a newbie that doesn't argue to the death and act like a moron? (Don't remind me of my first two weeks here)

I like him already.

Jade Falcon · Post by **Jade Falcon** » 2007-03-09 10:13am

Tell you the truth, I've got the last Dragon Quest game that was released on the PS2, and to be honest, I'm struggling to see anything particularly wonderful about it.

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2007-03-09 11:39am

Let's be honest, though, the American gaming public doesn't exactly have champaigne tastes either. Can anyone look me in the eye and honestly say that Halo 2 was the best FPS ever made? Because that's what the sales indicated.

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2007-03-09 12:18pm

CaptHawkeye wrote:Point conceded. I know when i'm beat.

You are wise beyond your postcount... and most of us at that time, I believe.

Jade Falcon · Post by **Jade Falcon** » 2007-03-09 12:55pm

Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:Let's be honest, though, the American gaming public doesn't exactly have champaigne tastes either. Can anyone look me in the eye and honestly say that Halo 2 was the best FPS ever made? Because that's what the sales indicated.

Well for one I'm not American, but I've played plenty of other Japanese RPG's that I found superior, Skies of Arcadia on the Dreamcast for one, I just don't see what the big fuss is about DQ.

Xisiqomelir · Post by **Xisiqomelir** » 2007-03-09 01:02pm

Jade Falcon wrote:I just don't see what the big fuss is about DQ.

Horii never changed the gameplay, so it was always easily accessible. And by "easily accessible", I mean housewives and schoolgirls play it. I'm curious how 9 will do, since the gameplay is making such a huge shift, but the brand name and the platform will assure multiplat status.

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2007-03-09 09:53pm

Jade Falcon wrote:
Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:Let's be honest, though, the American gaming public doesn't exactly have champaigne tastes either. Can anyone look me in the eye and honestly say that Halo 2 was the best FPS ever made? Because that's what the sales indicated.
Well for one I'm not American, but I've played plenty of other Japanese RPG's that I found superior, Skies of Arcadia on the Dreamcast for one, I just don't see what the big fuss is about DQ.

That's what I'm saying. The best games aren't necessarily the best sellers no matter what country you're talking about. The average Japanese gamer is an idiot with cretinous tastes and so is the average American gamer, so I don't see why people are pointing to idiots with cretinous tastes in Japan and acting as though that makes them inferior to American gamers.

Jade Falcon · Post by **Jade Falcon** » 2007-03-10 09:51am

Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:That's what I'm saying. The best games aren't necessarily the best sellers no matter what country you're talking about. The average Japanese gamer is an idiot with cretinous tastes and so is the average American gamer, so I don't see why people are pointing to idiots with cretinous tastes in Japan and acting as though that makes them inferior to American gamers.

Aye, true, look at the never ending success of The Sims for a case in point.