Civil War #7 - Spoilers

[JME2]

you know what this series would have worked perfectly, is if you had a pull out, shot of Mephisto laughing, and going on about how he loves it when his plans work perfectly.

Well, according to last Christmas' Wizard, Mephisto is one of several Marvel villains who will be getting the spotlight this year. So, it's possible that either a retcon or revelation regarding Stamford will be forthcoming.

[JME2]

And he has a butler.

So does Batman.

[Lord Zentei]

And he has a butler.

So does Batman.

Yeah, well he is in the DC universe. So that has no bearing on Civil War.

So pffft.

[JME2]

And he has a butler.

So does Batman.

Yeah, well he is in the DC universe. So that has no bearing on Civil War.

So pffft.

Bah, a minor technicality.

[Edward Yee]

Incidentally, Sunstreaker, if I may quote/respond to the comment (by you) that you yourself quoted in that link...

The America he wanted to protect didn’t exist anymore.

Which I found interestingly to be the point of Sally's response to Cap's jailhouse talk -- and unlike the last one, which to be fair was a bit of an ambush of the still-on-the-run Cap, this one made more sense (albeit by being more targeted).

Hey dude, respond as much as you like.

Thanks. In Sally's first Frontline interview, it did very much seem like she ambushed him, whereas this time she and Ben Urich let him go at length and in more detail, before questioning how much actual interaction he'd had with the America that existed instead of the city-on-a-hill in his mind. Never logged onto MySpace, never went to NASCAR...

[Sunstreaker]

Thanks. In Sally's first Frontline interview, it did very much seem like she ambushed him, whereas this time she and Ben Urich let him go at length and in more detail, before questioning how much actual interaction he'd had with the America that existed instead of the city-on-a-hill in his mind. Never logged onto MySpace, never went to NASCAR...

Which is funny because what does enjoying nascar have to do with protecting a person's freedom to enjoy nascar?

[Praxis]

And he has a butler.

So does Batman.

Iron Man would pwn Batman.

And more importantly, Batman's villains keep escaping to bug him again and again. Iron Man takes his villains and injects them with nanoprobes and forces them to do his bidding, or he can give them seizures whenever he feels like it, and then he locks them up in a super-prison in another dimension when he's not using them.

Iron Man > Batman.

[TheDarkling]

Yeah Batman sure does suck what with all the humans rights and such.

I much rather a guy who has sociopath working for him beating up heroes.




Anyway Batman would have some sort of anti-irontech spray on his belt and would thus win.

[The Yosemite Bear]

No, all ironman needs to be properly humbled is for Count Nefaria to fire one of his Tessla Deathray Ion Beams at him, the kind that in old Avengers stories overloaded and blew out every circuit in his armour, with sufficiant EMP left over to render the Extrimis nanites into heavy metal poisoning.

[Praxis]

Yeah Batman sure does suck what with all the humans rights and such.

I much rather a guy who has sociopath working for him beating up heroes.




Anyway Batman would have some sort of anti-irontech spray on his belt and would thus win.

Pfft. Lord Zentai is right. 'Good is dumb', as Dark Helmet would say.

And I didn't say Iron Man was a better hero, just that he would beat Batman.

[Adrian Laguna]

Thanks. In Sally's first Frontline interview, it did very much seem like she ambushed him, whereas this time she and Ben Urich let him go at length and in more detail, before questioning how much actual interaction he'd had with the America that existed instead of the city-on-a-hill in his mind. Never logged onto MySpace, never went to NASCAR...

Which is funny because what does enjoying nascar have to do with protecting a person's freedom to enjoy nascar?

On that note...

[Adrian Laguna]

Ghetto Edit - Been reading the comments (click on "read the whole thing"), they're great. Like this for example:

I really don't see how 'being out of touch with the people' has anything to do with Captain America. He represents America's ideals. That's what he fights for: freedom. Freedom of speech, of religion, freedom from fear, the freedom to live your own life. Truth and goodness and safety and all that crap. Democracy, independence, justice.

Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

If no one cares about any of those... then Captain America needs to be fighting for them twice as hard, because that is one fucked-up world we're living in.

Shut the fuck up, Sally. People like you "broke" America. Captain America is trying his damnedest to fix it, and I don't know why the fuck he thinks he ought to apologize for that.

I have a dream that when they next have a big, inter-company crossover, Lois Lane will take the time to track Sally down and beat her into a whimpering pulp for having the audacity to call herself a journalist.

"Why couldn't you have realized that a few weeks ago?"

"Well, how about because I had to go underground and on the run before the law was even passed, because I dared breathe a word against it while it was still in deliberation? It's hard to get a good look at all the sides of an argument when just showing your face will get you illegally tranqed up and detained."

Jesus Christ, Marvel. You show Cap being this great shining orator, and then make him a total chump who has to fall back on first calling himself a "simple man at heart" and then calling her arguments "simplistic." WTF.

[18-Till-I-Die]

The lesson we're to take way from this i gather is that it's not about doing right it's about being right. An old Law and Order episode is basically where they took the whole story...i mean i didnt notice it till now but i see they lifted the basic idea and ending entirely, changing only the aspect of the 'crime'.

But the problem is, Law and Order was bullshit.

Being right means crap unless you do the right thing too. Yeah i guess someone like McCoy, or his proxy here Stark, can 'do the right thing' but at the same time commit crimes and such. But just because they did the 'right thing' (something that in both cases is questionable) does not mean that someone who IS right, morally and ethically, is somehow negated by this fact.

In short, they should rip off stories from CSI next time, since that show is better written.

[Majin Gojira]

Well, according to last Christmas' Wizard, Mephisto is one of several Marvel villains who will be getting the spotlight this year. So, it's possible that either a retcon or revelation regarding Stamford will be forthcoming.

I think Mephisto is likely lined up for Marvel's Anihilation-like event for the Magic-user set entitled "Mystic Arcana".

The only reason I know about it and care is that it involves one of the Runaways, Nico Minoru.

[JME2]

Well, according to last Christmas' Wizard, Mephisto is one of several Marvel villains who will be getting the spotlight this year. So, it's possible that either a retcon or revelation regarding Stamford will be forthcoming.

I think Mephisto is likely lined up for Marvel's Anihilation-like event for the Magic-user set entitled "Mystic Arcana".

The only reason I know about it and care is that it involves one of the Runaways, Nico Minoru.

You're probably right.

[Lord Zentei]

Yeah, well he is in the DC universe. So that has no bearing on Civil War.

So pffft.

Bah, a minor technicality.

Iron man has another thing that Batman doesn't: a goatee!

I mean, he's become the Francis Urquhart/J.R. Ewing of the Marvel Universe, is filthy rich, has a butler and a goatee.

Batman just can't compare.

[18-Till-I-Die]

You know what really kills me, if i may rant, is that Civil War was not a bad series. I loved it, up till the very end, i mean the art where they dropped the ball.

I got all seven issues, i saw the whole thing through, i ever bought some of the tie-ins. Up until the point at the very end when Cap bitched up and the good guys lost i really enjoyed the whole thing, if that were someone just removed i would enjoy it even more. I'd prefer a deus ex machina ending of some kind, even.

And this also hasnt been a very bad year for comics, not in some ways at least. 52 has been getting better and better as it goes on (just like i thought Civil War was, which scares me somewhat i must admit).

What happened in the last couple of pages of CW 7 was fucking sad. It's like someone runs a marathon, runs it perfectly, eons ahead of everyone else, you know he's a winner, and then inches from the finish line...he trips and breaks his legs and can never run again. It's that pitiful.

Just a thought that struck me, i guess it was welling up inside me after i read though Frontlines and how that chick Sally just ruined the whole thing for me. It's one thing to say she dislikes what Cap stands for. I can understand that and, frankly, if that were all i wouldnt really care. But then the way she reacts to the evidence, IN HER HANDS, that Iron Man is a murderer and, basically, a supervillian and has the nerve to say that what he did and the miniscule 'guilt' he feels is the "real sacrifice of a hero"...i mean honestly. Yeah that's a real hero there. And then she doesnt tell anyone about thsi FUCKING WAR CRIME she has discovered...WTF cant even begin to cover it.

Why doesnt she just say "Iron Man has a sweet, sweet cock which i feel i must suck" and be honest. At least Hill the Shill was willing to do that.

[The Yosemite Bear]

too bad Wildstorm Black or the motherfuckin authoriity aren't around to teach tony how to be a benevalent dicattor,,,

[18-Till-I-Die]

The Authority would probably aprove of his actions and Apollo would offer to help him by grabbing Atlantis and hurling it into space or something.

Also, i just noticed how shity my spelling was in there. I was writing it as i thought it up, stream of consciousness like, so it may be hard to understand some of it.

[Sunstreaker]

Spoiler!!! Captain America (preview)

or

Spoiler!!! Sorce and article

SPOILER WARNING FOR CAPTAIN AMERICA #25

According to the New York Daily News, Captain America dies in issue #25, after being shot on the steps of the courthouse where he was to be arraigned.

"It's a hell of a time for him to go. We really need him now," co-creator Joe Simon, 93, told the News after being informed of his brainchild's death.

The News outlined Cap’s history up to the point of Civil War, quoting current Cap writer Ed Brubaker as saying:

"What I found is that all the really hard-core left-wing fans want Cap to be standing out on and giving speeches on the streetcorner against the Bush administration, and all the really right-wing [fans] all want him to be over in the streets of Baghdad, punching out Saddam," Brubaker said.

From the News:

Comic book deaths, however, are rarely final. Marvel's archrival, DC Comics, provoked a media frenzy when it killed off Superman in 1993, only to reanimate its prize creation a year later.

Joe Quesada, 43, Marvel Entertainment's editor in chief, said he wouldn't rule out the shield-throwing champion's eventual return. But for now, the Captain's fans are in mourning.

Newsarama will endeavor to keep a rolling update of the media's coverage of the story running throughout the day.

The AP Version, Based on the News story

According to various reports, the death was a topic of conversation on Fox News' Fox and Friends this morning. Predictably, the commentators on the show questioned whether or not now is the time for Captain America to be killed, given his historical role in fighting America's enemies, and the country is currently at war. Reportedly, the show has posted a question about the timing of Cap's death as their "Question of the Day" on their website, although it could not be easily found on their site at 8:00 am.

Forbes enters with a revised AP story, noting some of the financials.

Developing...

[Ghost Rider]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...*snort* Yeah, and this is the same company that has all but brought back Ben Parker.

Sure, what the hell why not. Marvel has shown it apes DC, and one ups them in sheer absurdity. I'm waiting for Stark to reveal himself as Immortus, because we already did the Kang angle...or maybe they'll pull a Red Skull clone act!!!!!

[KrauserKrauser]

Whatever, fuck Marvel, I'll just read Girls and Y and forget that they exist.

[Shroom Man 777]

Right. The whole lot of you will empty your pockets when the next issues roll out, and that's a fact

[xammer99]

Right. The whole lot of you will empty your pockets when the next issues roll out, and that's a fact

Newp. I already called my comic store and canceled everything.

[18-Till-I-Die]

Oh come on guys. It's not like the world is collapsing because of Cap being "killed".

I guarantee he's not REALLY being killed. It's probably a screwjob by the rebels to get him out of lockup by faking his death, like what Vanessa Williams and Ar-Nuld did at the end of Eraser (that analogy assumes you've seen the movie of course).



Or if not, you always have DC.