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Would you hit it?

Yes
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No
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Fuck no, you goddamn pedophile, because I am an illiterate moron
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This person does not exist, so this is pointless. Hypo..what? WTF does that mean?
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Hypothetical situation

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This thread reminded me of a thread I saw over at SPF, reproduced here:

Say you knew a girl, who is 13 years old, yet she has the body and maturity of a woman ten years older. She comes over to see you one day and asks you to have sex with her. Would you do it?

Remember that she has the physical and emotional maturity of a 23 year old woman. You will not 'damage' her by sleeping with her, and you will not get into any legal trouble.

Replace her with a male for those so inclined. I will answer later.

EDIT: Since it seems some people need to have their hands held...

THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO CONSEQUENCES TO THIS OTHER THAN THOSE YOU IMPOSE ON YOURSELF. IT IS NOT ILLEGAL. YOU WILL NOT BE HUNTED DOWN BY HER PARENTS. THIS SCENARIO IS DESIGNED SO THAT THE ONLY BARRIER IS HER CHRONOLOGICAL AGE.
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Post by Mr Bean »

Nyet, Legal reasons aside as you already said it Violates my age rang date

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Take your Age, Check the tens place(2-3-4-5 exct) then add one, Only date/do within that age range

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The age requirements for having sex are there for a reason, I agree with those reasons, and I wouldn't take it apon myself to say that I can bypass these rules because I think its OK. I can be wrong, others can be wrong. I don't want others making similar descisions about what laws they can safely break, those that could potentially harm me or someone else. If I want others to follow these laws regardless of personal opinion, I have to also.
you will not get into any legal trouble
Personally, I don't base morality on wether or not I get "caught", so this is irrelevant to my descision. I take laws as codes of conduct that allow society to function successfully. I follow just laws to be a productive member of society, not to avoid jail (or hell, etc).

However, if this law was completely unjust (example all women reach this maturity at age 13), and I'd still go to jail for sleeping with her, this *would* stop me. As, one good night just isn't worth a decade of being some big furry guy's bitch.

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Finally, I wouldn't have sex with just any woman ( *thinks back*, *shudders* ).

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So, I voted no.
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I don't have sex unless I'm in a serious relationship, so I'm out even before morality is considered.
Also since I'm quite serious about my own morality/ethics I wouldn't even consider anyone below 20.
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Re: Hypothetical situation

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XaLEv wrote: Say you knew a girl, who is 13 years old, yet she has the body and maturity of a woman ten years older. She comes over to see you one day and asks you to have sex with her. Would you do it?

Remember that she has the physical and emotional maturity of a 23 year old woman.
This person. male or female, does not exist, so I see no point in the exercise.
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Post by Stormbringer »

You're basically creating a scenario where you have a 23 year old for all intents and purpose with the exception of actual chronological age. It could never happen so what's is the point of it all?
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Stormbringer wrote:You're basically creating a scenario where you have a 23 year old for all intents and purpose with the exception of actual chronological age. It could never happen so what's is the point of it all?
The point is to see who would be able to look past her age.

That, and to see who is illiterate.
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XaLEv wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:You're basically creating a scenario where you have a 23 year old for all intents and purpose with the exception of actual chronological age. It could never happen so what's is the point of it all?
The point is to see who would be able to look past her age.
Excpet this is so divorced from reality that it has no bearing at all on how some one would really react.
XaLEv wrote:That, and to see who is illiterate.
Was that meant against someone in particular?
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Stormbringer wrote:Excpet this is so divorced from reality that it has no bearing at all on how some one would really react.
For you, maybe. Not everyone is so unimaginative.
Was that meant against someone in particular?
Towards you and innerbrat, partially. Mostly, it is towards the (kind of) people who posted in the original thread at SPF. 90% of that thread's 8 pages consisted of "It's not worth the jailtime", "I'd scar her" or "OMG you fucking pedophile!"

I had considered, at first, making a third option on the poll saying "Fuck no, you goddamn pedophile, because I am an illiterate moron" and possibly a fourth saying "This person does not exist, so this is pointless. Hypo..what? WTF does that mean?" I decided such things wouldn't be needed here. *sigh* :roll:
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Post by kojikun »

I can tell you, at 13 years old I was no different then I am from now (except where i went to school). I was already begging to get fucked in every hole simultaneously and I've been looking at porn (with my mothers permission) since i was 8.

So this thread is basically, would you fuck ME? ::smirk:: ;p

My answer is yes. Chronological age is irrelevant and morality based on it rather then actual maturity is a phenomenon coming from Judeo-Christian religions. Many cultures worldwide have other views.
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For me, no.
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Heres a question: Say your involved with a Clonetrooper (or trooperette) and he wants to have sex as soon as he gets back from his next battle, do you say yes or no simply because hes chronologically 10 years old?
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No, she's to young.
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No.
1. I'm too young myself.
2. She's too young.
3. I wouldn't do it without having a deeper understanding of her.

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Re: Hypothetical situation

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XaLEv wrote:This thread reminded me of a thread I saw over at SPF, reproduced here:

Say you knew a girl, who is 13 years old, yet she has the body and maturity of a woman ten years older. She comes over to see you one day and asks you to have sex with her. Would you do it?

Remember that she has the physical and emotional maturity of a 23 year old woman. You will not 'damage' her by sleeping with her, and you will not get into any legal trouble.

Replace her with a male for those so inclined. I will answer later.

However you look at it I see 13 years old and the whole idea gives me the nyayayayyayayah type willies. So I'm making that a strong no.
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No. 13 is too young for me, 23 is too old.
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nah. I'd corrupt the chick far earlier then she should be.
add two years and I might. heh.
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Okay, you're asking me if I would do a girl who's old enough both physically and mentally, yet not culturally?

I can fix that last part. I need two round-trip plane tickets to Japan. :mrgreen:

Seriously though, If I knew the girl(And I'd probably have to if I knew that she had the maturity of a twenty-three-year-old), and was friends with her, I just might.

You know, I think I might see the point behind the question, though.
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No.

It's illegal and revolting.
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--It's illegal and revolting.--

In what way, other then the 1 preceeding the 3?
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Post by Spanky The Dolphin »

Kojikun, I'm starting to get really fucking tired of you. So shut the fuck up, you twat.

1. She's 13, I'm 20. If you don't see anything wrong with that, you're a God damn pervert, or one of those fucks who try to argue everything.

2. That's called statutory rape, which is a punishable offence. You should be able to understand that.

3. I personally would not be able to sleep with anyone under 17.

So, piss off, Kojikun. And learn to fucking quote correctly.
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Post by XaLEv »

Spanky, you shouldn't post if you don't grasp the conditions of the scenario.

Now for my answer. Assuming we are close and our relationship permits it, yes. In this case her chronological age is completely irrelevant, as she is effectively an adult.
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Yeah I'd hump her. I'm an irresponsible young man with raging hormones and here's a hot chick ASKING me to have sex with her. Fuck yeah I'd do it.

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Upon further thought, no. There is the minor problem of three years and seven strokes (minimum punishment for statutory rape in my country) and that of pregnancy. Plus, I wouldn't trust myself not to let our relationship devolve into a sexual gratification thing.
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Problem is sheer age.

Her age regardless of her supposed mental and physical facilities is why I don't date 18 years olds and 40 year olds. I don't particularly like to age that far out of my range(and if you ask I'm closer to Wong's age than most of you guys...yes I'm a fogey)

Saying that in this hypothetical that she's a 23 in everything but chronological is false dilema because it's nothing more than asking would you fuck her if you thought such and such(because honestly physical make up aside it's we who judge what we feel a 23 year old should be..I've seen a wide gamut of what people think of an another person's mental age)

So are you asking would some people fuck a 13 year old that they thought is older or not?
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Post by C.S.Strowbridge »

The only way I can see this has a possibility is with Time Travel, or a similar Sci-Fi technology. For instance, if I travelel back to 1990 would my legal age be 16, cause I was born in 1974? Or perhaps she's been artificially aged ten years due to some kind of radiation or Time-Space hic-up.

At this point the normal morals break down, cause they were not designed with this possibility in mind.

I'd probably try and get her to petition to the courts to legally raise her age, to compensate for whatever took place. If she could convince the courts that she's a 23 year old person, than I'd probably do it. After all, then the only difference between her and other 23 year old woman would be she was born in 1989 and the rest were born in 1979.

Of course, I might have gotten the details of the question confused, in which case my answer would change. For instance, if it's time travel, then I see no reason not too. If it was an artifical aging process, then there's a matter of how those missing years affected her. Her lack of experience with the world could make her niave and less educated; in that case, I wouldn't want to have sex with her. On the other hand, she might just not be as cynical as some one with more years under her belt, and most likely she hasn't been corrupted by the Axis of evil (Cosmo, Fashion Industry and Advertising) which would make her more appealing.
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