Take the planet........

[Jericho Kross]

Just a thought how many troops does the planet have and how advanced are they?

[PeZook]

Just a thought how many troops does the planet have and how advanced are they?

I think "tens of millions" would be a good estimate, if it's unified and industrialized properly. They have some spaceflight technology ("starfighter like" spacecraft). Presumably no blasters, since that's what they want. They also know about galactic affairs and their tech, which means they have some contact with the galaxy at large. It's strange they couldn't just buy what they needed, though. Are they that repulsive so even Hutts won't deal with 'em?

[Jericho Kross]

Over 10 million soliders verse 97 hundred stormtrooper.
I thought the spartans in 300 had piss poor odds. Though the Impireials have a trump card called a star destroyer.

[PeZook]

Over 10 million soliders verse 97 hundred stormtrooper.
I thought the spartans in 300 had piss poor odds. Though the Impireials have a trump card called a star destroyer.

It's not the millions of soldiers I'm worried about (10 million is a low-end estimate, since this is about what relatively modern Earth nations support right now, at peacetime. In wartime, the planet could probably raise at least a hundred million troops, assuming Earthly population)

The army can be easily destroyed from orbit. What follows, though, is a brutal guerilla campaign in urban centers which will sap manpower and destroy any ability to mine the "space oil" freely due to sabotage, terrorist attacks and other similar things. Unless your soldiers are horribly more advanced than their weapons technology, you just can't win such a war as long as the guerillas have any hope of liberation at any time in the future. You'd need at least something like 20-50 million pairs of boots on the ground to really occupy a hostile planet by force, and probably much more.

This is why the Imperial approach is so much more elegant and efficient. Excessive destruction on a massive scale and without possibility of retaliation will cow anyone but the most hardline fanatics into submission, provided you don't try to methodically exterminate the populace.

[(name here)]

the thing is that the republic won't obliterate cities to take over. obliterating the satellites is like obliterating economic targets, without using point defense turbolasers on planetary targets. as for the casualties, if you nuke a city, the inhabitants are dead. if you strip that city of the warning systems that tell them to evacuate before severe weather hits, they could die, but you can replace the warnings before they do.

the empire could just force a surrender by destroying all air defenses and informing the government that you can destroy them without excessive collateral damage, but are willing to accept their surrender. they won't refuse just because it will be difficult to suppress guerrillas if you obliterate the government and army.

[PeZook]

the thing is that the republic won't obliterate cities to take over. obliterating the satellites is like obliterating economic targets, without using point defense turbolasers on planetary targets. as for the casualties, if you nuke a city, the inhabitants are dead. if you strip that city of the warning systems that tell them to evacuate before severe weather hits, they could die, but you can replace the warnings before they do.

Yeah, and then what? How many times a year do you think a city gets obliterated by an errant hurricane? It's not the kind of pressure which can force a planetary government to surrender. Do you think that if you destroyed the GPS system with ASAT missiles today, the US would surrender to you? What kind of scheme is that?

the empire could just force a surrender by destroying all air defenses and informing the government that you can destroy them without excessive collateral damage, but are willing to accept their surrender. they won't refuse just because it will be difficult to suppress guerrillas if you obliterate the government and army.

My first proposal for the Empire was to actually scale the damage up from strictly military targets all the way to obliterating cities, but if you don't really smash a city, you may run into problems later on. Like the population not believing that you are actually willing to kill a million-man metropolis just to prove a point. If they have a giant field of rubble and skeletons to remind them of what the Empire can and will do, it will effectivelly supress most insurgencies before they even start.

And one city is a pretty small price to pay for peace and (relative) ease of occupation.

[Jericho Kross]

This is pretty hard for all three factions in terms of men and time[piss poor for the feds]. The Emperor's Hand might be able to get the ambassador out then the imperials might try to capture the planet [the planet now has no way to get what they want and might just join the empire{howerver unlikely}].

[Jericho Kross]

'PeZook wrote :'My first proposal for the Empire was to actually scale the damage up from strictly military targets all the way to obliterating cities, but if you don't really smash a city, you may run into problems later on. Like the population not believing that you are actually willing to kill a million-man metropolis just to prove a point. If they have a giant field of rubble and skeletons to remind them of what the Empire can and will do, it will effectivelly supress most insurgencies before they even start.

And one city is a pretty small price to pay for peace and (relative) ease of occupation." end quote

Was this not tried in star trek? It may just work however and video of this would also ensure that they keep the peace

[Jericho Kross]

What I mean by video is have it so it can be whatched [like husseins execution]

[harbringer]

All you really need to get on side are some of the government (enough at least to deal with the man who wants your tech) and enough of the community all three can do this, the hard part is getting the ambassador. Actual compliance from the population is actually quite easy provided they get (or think they will) something for it. If someone came up to America today and said "we will give you more money, a better living standard and get rid of bush (and you can vote online for the prefered method) with medical care that will solve almost any ailment; but you have to join the Imperium" do you think many would actually say no?. The point is Bush for all his faults is actually not dispised to the point that the only thing keeping him in power is the army, that might very well be the case on this planet (no-one really bothered to check, but hey).

It is in the silent compliance that we are all guilty so make the best of it for the Empire

[Jericho Kross]

The emperor's hand could get the ambassador back no prob. But based on the lack of troops and resistance thats most likely way to go

[Lord_Sturm]

A Single acclamator carries 16,000 clone troopers (not including crew and vehicle's or the vehicles crew) so two would be 32,000 clone troopers though I highly doubt that would be enough. (unless the planet in question has earth level technology then the planet's screwed.) A star destroyer carriers 9,700 troops so the imps would go for the bombarding action although 24 AT-AT's would be able to rip most planets a new one (plus 50 or so AT-STs and 100 speeder bikes and a prefabricated base ISD1 carrying capacity ). The Imperials can do this and The Republic has a good chance but The Feds simply can't if they try brute force as they lack the man power, a decent ground force, and lack of a reliable transport (transporters are so easily interfered it's not funny).

[Agemegos]

And just what can the Iraqis attack America with? Their non-existent air force? Their equally non-existent navy? Their also non-existent strategic rocket forces? The Iraqis have no hope of doing anything against America just as the planet in question has no hope of attacking the Republic. Their population, however, can resist an occupation force on their own home ground.

While a tenth of a percent or so of the US population remains in Iraq they can use car bombs, sniper-rifles, and booby-trapped teenagers.

[Patrick Degan]

And just what can the Iraqis attack America with? Their non-existent air force? Their equally non-existent navy? Their also non-existent strategic rocket forces? The Iraqis have no hope of doing anything against America just as the planet in question has no hope of attacking the Republic. Their population, however, can resist an occupation force on their own home ground.

While a tenth of a percent or so of the US population remains in Iraq they can use car bombs, sniper-rifles, and booby-trapped teenagers.

Please. Are you seriously suggesting that any act of terrorism constitutes a military attack which would bring serious consequences on a country? Other countries have been living with terrorism for years and none of them have been brought anywhere close to their knees from it. Furthermore, terrorist plots are always subject to discovery and neutralisation even by the actions of the police forces, nevermind the military. Acts of terrorism are not the same as a military attack.

If you're talking about terrorist/guerilla acts carried out in Iraq against the occupation forces, that's a different argument altogether and certainly would not be described as an attack on America.