Darth Nihilus in the Milky Way

Jericho Kross · Post by **Jericho Kross** » 2007-03-25 01:29am

Darth Nihilus and his ship the Ravanger are transported to federation space. He has 25 sith assassins [we will say] and knows where there planets are. What is the fate of the AQ ?

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-03-25 03:18am

Is the Ravager fully operational or damaged as we saw in the game? Either way, we don't hear of any real big advancements in turbolaser technology between then and the introduction of it's descendant, the ISD, the only time we see an increase in power between ships is the scale, and the Ravager is 167 meters longer, allowing for more TL, Shield Generators, and a better reactor.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2007-03-25 03:25am

Where was it mentioned that the Ravager was that long?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2007-03-25 08:44am

I doubt a ship from that far back would be a match for an Imperial Star Destroyer. We do hear of some advancements made in the Clone Wars, after all. While stylistically similar, I'd be surprised if the Ravager were more than say, 10% as powerful.

Which is still more than one needs in Star Trek's Milky Way.

Jericho Kross · Post by **Jericho Kross** » 2007-03-25 03:33pm

Nihilus could use his damaged ship to his advantage. Federation ships might think that it needs help, they beam over and Nihilus uses his abilities to make them his slave.

Jericho Kross · Post by **Jericho Kross** » 2007-03-26 02:34am

Nihilus ship is damaged like in the game. We will say after Visas Marr has left and before his death at Telos.
Note: Nihilus got the Ravager from Malachor's gavity well and it was already damaged from the the final battle of the Mandalorian War.

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-03-26 10:12am

Just a note Jericho, we don't know exactly when Nihilus got the Ravager, it's entirely possible he is a fallen Jedi and that was his ship under Revan, previously.

Jericho Kross · Post by **Jericho Kross** » 2007-03-26 12:15pm

Wookieepedia states that Nihilus did gain the Ravager fro, Malachor's gravity well in order to escape from Malachor. The Ravager was damaged before hand thanks to dialoge in the game. [ 'She still bears the wounds of Mandalorian guns.' Zuka on board the Ravager]

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-03-26 12:44pm

Jericho Kross wrote:Wookieepedia states that Nihilus did gain the Ravager fro, Malachor's gravity well in order to escape from Malachor. The Ravager was damaged before hand thanks to dialoge in the game. [ 'She still bears the wounds of Mandalorian guns.' Zuka on board the Ravager]

Exactly, however, we know nothing og Nihilus past, for all we know he could've crash landed the Ravager there as a Jedi General then trained at the Sith Academy and then used it to escape.

Jericho Kross · Post by **Jericho Kross** » 2007-03-26 01:27pm

True. Just a thought does the Ravager still have shield generators because the exile was able to land on the Ravager?

MagnusTheReD · Post by **MagnusTheReD** » 2007-03-26 01:56pm

Jericho Kross wrote:True. Just a thought does the Ravager still have shield generators because the exile was able to land on the Ravager?

There were gaping holes in the ship's plating, and the Exile was freely hanging around the open compartments, planting explosives, undisturbed by the vacuum of space, so yeah, I figure there was some kind of forcefield

And since through those holes you got a pretty clear view on the battle over Telos we can safely conclude that the Ravager was taking part in said battle, so again there had to be some shielding, otherwise the ship wouldn't survive long enough to allow the Exile to have a word with Nihilus.

Jericho Kross · Post by **Jericho Kross** » 2007-03-26 01:59pm

What in hell could the Federation do to stop Nihilus?

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2007-03-26 02:24pm

Jericho Kross wrote:What in hell could the Federation do to stop Nihilus?

probably not much (if anything) but Nihilus would be eventually be "killed" by his own thirst (he needs Force users not just any living creatures), and the Ravager was more or less held intact by his sheer force of will (no pun intended)

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-03-26 02:29pm

Lord Revan wrote:he needs Force users not just any living creatures

So the question would be if Federation telepathic species (Vulcans, Betazoids, etc.) would make an acceptable substitute.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2007-03-26 02:34pm

Darth Servo wrote:
Lord Revan wrote:he needs Force users not just any living creatures
So the question would be if Federation telepathic species (Vulcans, Betazoids, etc.) would make an acceptable substitute.

true, but considering that the reason Nihilus needs to feed on the Force is that he's enssentially a Force void and there's (ofc) no evidence that trek telepathy is Force based, I dout that.

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2007-03-26 04:27pm

Jericho Kross wrote:What in hell could the Federation do to stop Nihilus? :?

Have a starship perform a kamikaze attack, as occured in 'The Doomsday Machine'.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2007-03-26 06:18pm

NecronLord wrote:I doubt a ship from that far back would be a match for an Imperial Star Destroyer. We do hear of some advancements made in the Clone Wars, after all. While stylistically similar, I'd be surprised if the Ravager were more than say, 10% as powerful.

Which is still more than one needs in Star Trek's Milky Way.

Qualitiative Trek-style analysis. Where did you get 10% from, other than an "it feels right" gut-instinct? Hyperdrive travel requires the use of hypermatter, which basically puts them in a basic ballpark for power generation and hyperdrive travel requires energy consumption which would not be less several millienia earlier. What Clone Wars improvements, preytell?

Edward Yee · Post by **Edward Yee** » 2007-03-26 06:58pm

Re: the Force -- depending on just how it takes before First Contact, there's the possibility of him burning out first (if he'd starve to death without the Force) and no appreciable effect on the Milky Way, no?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2007-03-27 04:07am

Illuminatus Primus wrote: Qualitiative Trek-style analysis. Where did you get 10% from, other than an "it feels right" gut-instinct?

Boy, I'm glad I never made that claim in any way beyond 'I'd be surprised if' and thus did not provide any 'analysis' whatsoever, qualitative or quantative. This'd be really uncomfortable if you were actually responding to an assertion, as opposed to a, oh, wild guess for what might be the upper limit of the firepower. The highest figure I've seen anyone come out with for shots from the Taris bombardment was 40GT, quite unimpressive by clone wars standards.

Hyperdrive travel requires the use of hypermatter, which basically puts them in a basic ballpark for power generation and hyperdrive travel

Because of course, the output of all nuclear reactors is approximately equal.

Of course if you actually want an analysis, someone who's, oh, actually played the game would be helpful. Though I'm told the bombardment of Taris is a distinctly unimpressive display of firepower of the warships of the Knights of the Old Republic series. See here, suggesting a truly puny firepower per bolt compared to the giga/tera/peta/insertSIprefixhere-ton blasts of the OT era ships. Supposedly the rate of fire is much higher, but any actual comment on that will have to wait until the evening.

requires energy consumption which would not be less several millienia earlier.

Why not? Could they not just be going slower¹?

What Clone Wars improvements, preytell?

Everything from 'The age of true interstellar warships' beginning to now-presumably-invalidated material about the newness of turbolasers.

¹Yes. I'm aware there's interpretations that scale energy requirements quite differently. In which case one can always assume that it's possible to get a ship into hyperspace on less energy by having a less heavily armoured vessel, and so on. There is of course, no evidence for slower hyperdrive speeds to my knowledge (of course, with the joyous inconsistancy of EU hyperdrive speeds, who knows...)

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-03-27 04:27am

On the Taris Bombardment, the clip can be found here. The refire rate on those bolts seems much faster than the light turbolasers on the Star Destroyers even, thus they could have been point-defense laser cannons, since Karath still had men planetside, he may have been hoping some might've survived (It's pretty easy to tell that the Taris bombardment wasn't a BDZ), since the Sith Trooper armour may be powered like Clone or Stormtrooper armour, but this is just me speculating.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2007-03-27 04:37am

General Schatten wrote:On the Taris Bombardment, the clip can be found here.

Yes, I know. But I can't view that until I get home... So... This evening.

The refire rate on those bolts seems much faster than the light turbolasers on the Star Destroyers even, thus they could have been point-defense laser cannons, since Karath still had men planetside, he may have been hoping some might've survived (It's pretty easy to tell that the Taris bombardment wasn't a BDZ), since the Sith Trooper armour may be powered like Clone or Stormtrooper armour, but this is just me speculating.

Powered? You mean sealed, right?

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-03-27 04:40am

NecronLord wrote:Powered? You mean sealed, right?

You think magnetically sealed suit, with an electronic HUD in the helmet isn't powered?

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-03-27 04:41am

Ghetto Edit: I posted the video, since you said he hadn't played the game, I just thought he may as well see for himself.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2007-03-27 04:45am

General Schatten wrote:Ghetto Edit: I posted the video, since you said he hadn't played the game, I just thought he may as well see for himself.

I don't know about him. I said I haven't. Jedi Outcast is about the limit for what my computer will actually run without incident.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2007-03-27 01:46pm

Looking through an extended version of that; Ouch. That doesn't look like the kind of weapons fire a ship capable of delivering 1e24 watts should be able to mete out when its commander orders that a 'pathetic planet' be 'wiped from the face of the galaxy.' Where's the plumes of ejecta, and large areas of surface running like rain over rooves?

I would have expected something more like... this, apparently being meted out by a craft Dr. Saxton estimates to be 36% as powerful as an Imperator.