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kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-01-04 09:04pm

Why was the rape thread locked?

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2003-01-04 09:05pm

Might have had something to do with it being a sensitive topic.

We DO have females on this board, you know.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-01-04 09:06pm

Its easier to just PM a mod...

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-04 09:07pm

Because rationalising pedophilia makes you sound like you're defending it.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-01-04 09:07pm

Yeah, but no mod declared that it would be closed, atleast not that i can see so theres noone to PM.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-01-04 09:08pm

--Because rationalising pedophilia makes you sound like you're defending it.--

Im not defending RAPE. I'm making you think about why we have laws and WHEN such situations are acceptable. Obviously you think that if someone doesnt fit your moral view of the world that you have the right to kill it. Asshole.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2003-01-04 09:08pm

Probably because it degenerated into a shitty debate between you and spanky. Might have something to do with that you having the man tied up but he consented anyways so there being no reason to tie him up in the first place and making the whole thread mostly useless.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-01-04 09:10pm

--Probably because it degenerated into a shitty debate between you and spanky.--

did not. the last thing i posted was a clarification.

--Might have something to do with that you having the man tied up but he consented anyways so there being no reason to tie him up in the first place and making the whole thread mostly useless.--

so? hes tied up to make him incapable of resisting even if he wanted thus forcing the loop.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2003-01-04 09:16pm

kojikun wrote:Hes consenting completely and entirely.

If he's consenting completely and entirely it doesn't matter shit that he's tied up. Seeing that there was no stopping it and just allowing it to happen is a completely different thing from consenting to it completely and entirely.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-01-04 09:18pm

--If he's consenting completely and entirely it doesn't matter shit that he's tied up. Seeing that there was no stopping it and just allowing it to happen is a completely different thing from consenting to it completely and entirely.--

Granted, but whos to blame then? Him, hes not in control of the situation. the child? The adult consented (same as anyone into bondage)

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-01-04 09:21pm

appologies Spanky. I assumed you were a mod and were the one who locked the thread. I maligned you unfairly, please forgive me.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-04 09:21pm

Oh, so I'm the fucking bad guy because I'm against the idea of adults having sex with children, rather than rationalising it like you? Go to Hell.

I'd rather be an asshole than a pervert.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2003-01-04 09:22pm

If he wasn't in control in what happened, meaning he gave no consent, the minor just raped him and it was the minors fault.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-01-04 09:26pm

Spanky, your entire moral arguement is based on an arbitrary number not well founded studies. You're worse then fundies, atleast they have some religion to back up their fucked up beliefs.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-04 09:28pm

Ah, so you support the idea of adults having sex with children? Because that's what it sure sounds like.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-01-04 09:28pm

--If he wasn't in control in what happened, meaning he gave no consent, the minor just raped him and it was the minors fault.--

Theres a big difference between supporting an action and being able to stop it. If your girlfriend ties you up, and wants to fuck you, are you willing? I would assume you are. Now, are you able to get out of it, if you wanted? No, youre bound.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-01-04 09:31pm

--Ah, so you support the idea of adults having sex with children? Because that's what it sure sounds like.--

I support the freedom to do with your own body what you wish provided you know what it is youre doing.

There is no such thing as a child, theres no boundry between child and adult, no line that can be drawn where you can say "This person is an adult". Theres no difference between fully legal minor-minor sex and illegal minor-adult sex, except the word adult.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2003-01-04 09:40pm

kojikun wrote:Theres a big difference between supporting an action and being able to stop it. If your girlfriend ties you up, and wants to fuck you, are you willing? I would assume you are. Now, are you able to get out of it, if you wanted? No, youre bound.

If your girlfriend ties you up but you didn't have a problem being tied up and having sex with her it's consensual sex. If you are tied up and don't want to have sex and are forced to it is not consensual sex. It is two different things; you are either having consensual sex or your not.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2003-01-04 09:45pm

Lets have another example. A guy is with his girlfriend. He was feelin her up, she allowed it. He then took it one step further to sex and she says no but he thinks that she is playing hard to get so continues to have sex with her. She resists some and then gives up so you think that she is consenting. Was that consensual sex? No. Just because he thought that she was consenting to sex doesn't mean that she was or make the crime he just commited just fade away. She gave up and let it happened because she thought that there was nothing she can do about it.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-01-04 09:51pm

--Lets have another example. A guy is with his girlfriend. He was feelin her up, she allowed it. He then took it one step further to sex and she says no but he thinks that she is playing hard to get so continues to have sex with her. She resists some and then gives up so you think that she is consenting. Was that consensual sex? No. Just because he thought that she was consenting to sex doesn't mean that she was or make the crime he just commited just fade away. She gave up and let it happened because she thought that there was nothing she can do about it.--

Granted, but if she changes her mind rather then just giving in?

In my situation the guy doesnt WANT to resist. The whole situation was constructed to figure out who would be capable of being blamed because, the "Raped" person was consenting, and yet had no way to stop it. So you either have to blame the child, even tho the adult was indeed FULLY consenting not just giving in at the last moment, or blame the adult, who had no way of preventing it.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-04 10:01pm

kojikun wrote:--Ah, so you support the idea of adults having sex with children? Because that's what it sure sounds like.--

I support the freedom to do with your own body what you wish provided you know what it is youre doing.

There is no such thing as a child, theres no boundry between child and adult, no line that can be drawn where you can say "This person is an adult". Theres no difference between fully legal minor-minor sex and illegal minor-adult sex, except the word adult.

So does your twisted point of view apply to even "people" as young as FOUR?

You fucking make me sick, you God damn fucking pervert.

Good day.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-01-04 10:04pm

If the four year is mature enough, yes.

If you have a four year old acting like a typical 20 year old, the only difference is chronological age not mental or psychological.

And coming from such an irrational and obviously biased person as you, your little "you ake me sick" bit is of no consequence. Its about as impactful as a fundie yelling "UR STUPID!!111"

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2003-01-04 10:08pm

kojikun wrote:Granted, but if she changes her mind rather then just giving in?

If she changes her mind she is now consenting. She could still press charges for not consenting before he forcefully had sex with him though.

kojikun wrote:In my situation the guy doesnt WANT to resist.

It doesn't matter if he doesn't want to resist. Wanting to do something illeagle and doing something illeagle is two completely different things. If he didn't give consent and was forced to have sex, he was raped. A lot of women have fantasies of being raped does it mean they give consent to have sex forcefully?

kojikun wrote:The whole situation was constructed to figure out who would be capable of being blamed because, the "Raped" person was consenting, and yet had no way to stop it.

OMFG, you're going in circles. If he consented to having sex it is statutory rape; doesn't matter that he was tied up and couldn't physically stop it had he wanted to. A lot of people has had sex dominatrix wise. I'm sure that once they were tied up, they wouldn't be physically be able to do anything to stop having sex if they wanted to but they are consenting to have sex.
You seem to have a problem with what the deffiniton of consent is so here
con·sent
(kn-snt)
intr.v. con·sent·ed, con·sent·ing, con·sents
1. To give assent, as to the proposal of another; agree. See Synonyms at assent.
2. Archaic To be of the same mind or opinion.
n.
1. Acceptance or approval of what is planned or done by another; acquiescence. See Synonyms at permission.
2. Agreement as to opinion or a course of action: She was chosen by common consent to speak for the group.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-01-04 10:15pm

ArmorPierce wrote: If she changes her mind she is now consenting. She could still press charges for not consenting before he forcefully had sex with him though.

Somehow I doubt this. Otherwise anyone whos ever changed their mind about sex could sue years after the fact.

ArmorPierce wrote: It doesn't matter if he doesn't want to resist. Wanting to do something illeagle and doing something illeagle is two completely different things. If he didn't give consent and was forced to have sex, he was raped. A lot of women have fantasies of being raped does it mean they give consent to have sex forcefully?

He did give consent however. And now if she fantasizes it and during the act doesnt give consent, no its not giving consent. However, if a guy comes up to her and fucks her and she not only permits but engages him in it, is that rape?

ArmorPierce wrote: OMFG, you're going in circles. If he consented to having sex it is statutory rape; doesn't matter that he was tied up and had no actual way to stop it. A lot of people has sex dominatrix wise. I'm sure that once they were tied up, they wouldn't be physically be able to do anything to stop having sex if they wanted to but they are consenting to have sex.
You seem to have a problem with what the deffiniton of consent is so here
con·sent
(kn-snt)
intr.v. con·sent·ed, con·sent·ing, con·sents
1. To give assent, as to the proposal of another; agree. See Synonyms at assent.
2. Archaic To be of the same mind or opinion.
n.
1. Acceptance or approval of what is planned or done by another; acquiescence. See Synonyms at permission.
2. Agreement as to opinion or a course of action: She was chosen by common consent to speak for the group.

Exactly my point. He gave permission. Doesn't mean if he DIDNT give permission he would have stopped it from happening. The whole point is that he GAVE permission but that wouldnt matter.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-01-04 10:25pm

statutory rape is consentual sex between an adult and a minor that the adult has the ability to stop.

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