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[Ritterin Sophia]

Humbarine was a Republic world, and it wasn't noted for being a ship manufacturer like Kuat or Corellia. It was just heavily industrialized and rich.

Conceded.

Then there's the Trade Federation, which used the Lucrehulk-class core ships as modular cores for their battleships, cruisers and destroyers (AOTC:ICS).

Again, one of those galaxy wide corporations.

The IGBC also had a fleet of Munificent-class frigates before the CW. The Tapani Sector produced its own frigates, carriers and fighters (but that might have been in the GCW era).

So you're telling me that the owners of a bank that controlled a large fraction of the Republic was rich, just like Kuat?

In the Marvel series, both the Nagai and the Tof built large fleets to fight their internal battles and later on, invade other parts of the galaxy.

The Marvel series which took place nearly a quarter of a century after the Republic no longer existed.

10,000 years before the films, the Kumauri Empire in the Outer Rim produced the Kumauri Battleship, which seemed to have been a multi-kilometer long class.

I believe we were speaking of Clone Wars, you don't say the Nazi's are attacking britain, because 46 years ago they did, do you? And you are indeed correct, Cal-Class was 3 km long.

[Crazedwraith]

10,000 years before the films, the Kumauri Empire in the Outer Rim produced the Kumauri Battleship, which seemed to have been a multi-kilometer long class.

I believe we were speaking of Clone Wars, you don't say the Nazi's are attacking britain, because 46 years ago they did, do you? And you are indeed correct, Cal-Class was 3 km long.

The Nazi's were around in the Sixties?

[VT-16]

Ok, those retarded bug aliens in the Dark Nest Trilogy had some big ships made out of asteroid fragments. Between 2 and 10 kilometers long or something. They did not control a large portion of the galaxy.

And speaking of which, if these organizations did, wouldn't their ships therefore be widespread and relatively common after all?

[Ritterin Sophia]

10,000 years before the films, the Kumauri Empire in the Outer Rim produced the Kumauri Battleship, which seemed to have been a multi-kilometer long class.

I believe we were speaking of Clone Wars, you don't say the Nazi's are attacking britain, because 46 years ago they did, do you? And you are indeed correct, Cal-Class was 3 km long.

The Nazi's were around in the Sixties?

Damnit, I mean 66...

Ok, those retarded bug aliens in the Dark Nest Trilogy had some big ships made out of asteroid fragments. Between 2 and 10 kilometers long or something. They did not control a large portion of the galaxy.

Do you also happen to ask why we didn't just nuke the nazis with a Trident II? That's after the Clone Wars, after the Republic, and after the Empire.

And speaking of which, if these organizations did, wouldn't their ships therefore be widespread and relatively common after all?

I'm sorry, I don't understand, your questions a bit incoherent...

[VT-16]

Do you also happen to ask why we didn't just nuke the nazis with a Trident II? That's after the Clone Wars, after the Republic, and after the Empire.

Alright, so you're asking for pre-CW and CW era vessels. That might constitute millennia-old vessels as well, you know.

I'm sorry, I don't understand, your questions a bit incoherent...

Since you've apparently been asking about larger warships in the galaxy, why does it matter if it's completely private material or not? I'm sure organizations like the TF and the IGBC distributed warships to member worlds or something. That, coupled with what wealthier sectors could afford, constituted many of the larger fleets and ships in the galaxy. But it's a testament to the advanced technology and resources present to even out-of-the-way systems like Utapau, that they can build and field ships like the Dreadnaught-class.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Alright, so you're asking for pre-CW and CW era vessels. That might constitute millennia-old vessels as well, you know.

There was mention of a single surviving Cal-class, so yes I know.

Since you've apparently been asking about larger warships in the galaxy, why does it matter if it's completely private material or not? I'm sure organizations like the TF and the IGBC distributed warships to member worlds or something. That, coupled with what wealthier sectors could afford, constituted many of the larger fleets and ships in the galaxy. But it's a testament to the advanced technology and resources present to even out-of-the-way systems like Utapau, that they can build and field ships like the Dreadnaught-class.

Why does it matter? Because those ships are under the command of the person who loaned them, not direct command of the Planetary or Sector Leader, it's like saying Australia has active carriers because in any conceivable scenario the rest of the commonwealth would come to their aid, and thus so too would the UK.

[The Original Nex]

I wouldn't think that worlds controlled by the Trade Federation, Commerce Guild etc. would have planetary defense forces of their own. They likely have to give up those forces as a qualification of joining the Federation/Guild etc. just as they give up their Senate seat.

However, the more or less independent planets and systems that make up the Republic should be able to easily afford at least a small PDF. If Utapau, an independant nobody on the Galactic scene that does not enjoy the benefits of Republic membership can afford at least one Dreadnaught-class Heavy Cruiser (that must be self-assembled), then your average Republic dominion system should be able to obtain at least as much, if not much more.

[VT-16]

There was mention of a single surviving Cal-class, so yes I know.

I should also have mentioned the Invincible-class dreadnaught, which was about 3,000 years old and used by the CSA as patrol vessels.

Ok, here's the LFL position found in Saxton's 2002 interview with TFN:

Like a handful of wealthy sectors, Kuat Sector is able to manufacture and maintain sectorial defense fleets which are supposed to be comparable in size and power to the ships of the Imperial Starfleet found more widely in the classic trilogy. However because of frustrating trade limitations imposed by the Trade Federation, little of this equipment can be sold elsewhere in the galaxy, and they mostly have short-range hyperdrives. Outer Rim sectors make do with a diminutive scale of "dreadnaughts" which are so ubiquitous in the old West End Games sourcebooks. They're hundreds of metres long instead of kilometres long.

The wealthy, industrialized sectors were also mentioned in AOTC:ICS, and the TF's trade limitations limiting Outer Rim defense forces such as Utapau's, was mentioned again in ROTS:ICS.

[Ritterin Sophia]

It says only a handfull of Sectors had something comparable to that of the Imperial Navy and the rest made due with Dreadnaughts, I said most had Corvettes, I conceded that on page two but added that it's highly unlikely that many of them had anything comparable to ISDs, thus I'm agreeing with LFL, you're arguing that many systems had star battlecruisers and full blown star dreadnaughts, which that little quote you gave me refutes.

[VT-16]

you're arguing that many systems had star battlecruisers and full blown star dreadnaughts

Where did I ever say that? I've only said the "rich and industrialized sectors". And a sector would probably have quite a few systems to protect. That still doesn't cover most of the areas of the Republic, since there's millions out there. But, there also exist the large semi-independent organizations like the BC and TF, which have their own member-systems and fleets, so that adds to the amount of warships present throughout the Old Republic. Most of which are bigger and stronger than the Dreadnaught-class, the Carrack-class and the corvettes available to the neutered Republic Navy.

[Lazarus]

I suggested that it would be reasonable to think that the more affluent systems (the like of the comic source I mentioned earlier) could easily afford large defensive fleets, perhaps from Star Battlecruiser on down.

[NRS Guardian]

Do you have a size for these frigates? Ship designations tend to be ambiguous, Rendili Dreadnaught-class Heavy Cruisers were smaller than the KDY Destroyers of the late Republic.

Here's a quick and easy answer, were those Star Destroyers answerable to the Republic Navy or the Republic Security Forces?

I don't understand what your arguing in this paragraph, can you break it down please?

The frigates I'm referring to are the Dreadnaught and 2 Carracks commanded by Needa.
The Destroyers I presume are assigned to the Home Defense Fleet, there is some support for this with N-squared and the ROTS:ICS.
In my paragraph I was arguing that the forces assigned to protect a sector are likely centrally located to defend anywhere in the sector from attack in less than an hour, without dispersing the fleet. Such dispersal would invite defeat in detail. Instead each planet only needs enough forces to delay a major fleet long enough for the main sector fleet to arrive, and to defeat minor raids without the sector fleet. Thus unless a planet is home to a major sector fleet base we are unlikely to see large concentrations of warships defending a planet.