Israel seeks $12 billion US aid to maintain aparthide state

[Enlightenment]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2627561.stm

[The Black Jesus]

sigh, too much politcal correctness

criticise israel and everything thinks you're bashing jews

[Necro99]

Three words:
YOU CAN DREAM!

[The Black Jesus]

Three words:
YOU CAN DREAM!

i can fuck a goat as well

but that won't change anything

so long as they bring up the holocoust defense they're immune to all scrutiny

[The Duchess of Zeon]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2627561.stm

They're the only reliable ally in the region against the threat of Islamofascism; despite their faults the money must be given without question.

[The Black Jesus]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2627561.stm

They're the only reliable ally in the region against the threat of Islamofascism; despite their faults the money must be given without question.

my disembodied penis deserves that money more than the israelis

your analysis is flawed, madam

[Darth Wong]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2627561.stm

They're the only reliable ally in the region against the threat of Islamofascism; despite their faults the money must be given without question.

How are they advancing any US interest in the area? All they do is inflame anger and hatred toward the US. Do they enhance world security? Do they help the Americans find Al-Quaeda? Do they stabilize the area? Ha! What kind of ally does nothing but advance its own interests, make everyone hate you, and demand a constant flow of money? Why the fuck should the US hand out $12 billion more to its apartheid parasite "without question"? Are you in the habit of giving endless streams of money to whatever you regard as the least despicable non-humanist regime in any given area?

[The Duchess of Zeon]

How are they advancing any US interest in the area? All they do is inflame anger and hatred toward the US. Do they enhance world security? Do they help the Americans find Al-Quaeda? Do they stabilize the area? Ha! What kind of ally does nothing but advance its own interests, make everyone hate you, and demand a constant flow of money? Why the fuck should the US hand out $12 billion more to its apartheid parasite "without question"? Are you in the habit of giving endless streams of money to whatever you regard as the least despicable non-humanist regime in any given area?

In this case, they provide a balance against the Arab States, which would otherwise dominate the region. As for the anger and hatred, it would exist even without Israel; those people would just find another reason to hate us. Israel probably acts as a buffer for terrorists would would otherwise go directly after the Great Satan anyway.

I would also note that there is realistically no humanist nation in the world. Just varying degrees of State immorality. Some people find Israel a shining light of freedom in comparison with the EU, and there are legitimate reasons to (though not necessarily correct - It depends on how you define freedom, which is philosophical).

[Darth Wong]

In this case, they provide a balance against the Arab States, which would otherwise dominate the region.

And how would it impact the US if the "Arab States" dominated that region? It's not as if they're attacking Europe or invading Maine.

As for the anger and hatred, it would exist even without Israel; those people would just find another reason to hate us.

So we might as well give them many more reasons to do so? That does not follow.

Israel probably acts as a buffer for terrorists would would otherwise go directly after the Great Satan anyway.

What evidence do you have for this claim?

I would also note that there is realistically no humanist nation in the world. Just varying degrees of State immorality. Some people find Israel a shining light of freedom in comparison with the EU, and there are legitimate reasons to (though not necessarily correct - It depends on how you define freedom, which is philosophical).

Nations with avowed apartheid policies which literally DEFINE themselves in terms of racial makeup are not that common, and certainly not popular, unless they happen to be Israel.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

And how would it impact the US if the "Arab States" dominated that region? It's not as if they're attacking Europe or invading Maine.

Not yet. They would if they could, however. It's an implausible and far-fetched idea, granted: But their ideology would certainly demand them doing so if they could. Considering the potential danger there, we don't want the Muslim States gaining the strength to effect their ideological bent on any portion of the world beyond their own hell-holes.

Israel is useful to that.

So we might as well give them many more reasons to do so? That does not follow.

I'm saying the reasons are irrelevant. They are going to hate us no matter what and find reasons to justify their hatred. The hatred is because of their own internal problems, not anything we've done.

What evidence do you have for this claim?

See above. All those terrorists from non-Palestinian countries, supporting the Palestinian cause, would go after somebody else if that is the case.

Nations with avowed apartheid policies which literally DEFINE themselves in terms of racial makeup are not that common, and certainly not popular, unless they happen to be Israel.

Ever heard of the Empire of Japan?

[MKSheppard]

How are they advancing any US interest in the area?

They're the only real democracy in the entire stinking region. That,
and the fact that they keep the Arabs down is enough for me

[Ted]

How are they advancing any US interest in the area?

They're the only real democracy in the entire stinking region. That,
and the fact that they keep the Arabs down is enough for me

You know Ryan, if they werent there, the Arabs wouldn't be so rabid.

Marina, you're full of shit. The Arabs would NOT attack Europe if there was no Israel, where the fuck did you pull that from? Your girlfriends ass?

If Israel wants 12bn in aid, yet its only for the military and loan backing. That aint aid, thats leeching off of aonther to pay off others.

[MKSheppard]

You know Ryan, if they werent there, the Arabs wouldn't be so rabid.

They would have been rabid anyway. The entire middle east was the
big playground between the USSR/USA during the Cold War.

And we also pay an assload to both Egypt AND Israel. Part of the deal
from the Camp David Accords in the 70s that made them sign a peace
treaty....

[HemlockGrey]

You know, every once in a while, I think that maybe Shep is a real person-then I read a post like that and realize, no, he can only be the product of a hundred thousand twisted scientists laboring deep below Washington D.C. under the instruction of the NRA and Strom Thurmond, and then I realize that our Shep is merely MKSheppard Mk. 1, and soon there will be thousands more and at the critical moment his creators will strike, reanimating the corpse of Robert E. Lee, ressurecting Jefferson Davis, and they willsend the New Confederate Army, consisting entirely of MKSheppard modules 50K through 250K, to bring the North to it's knees, secure Southern independence, and ensure that the Confederate battle flag flies over South Carolina once more!

...sorry

[Darth Wong]

I find it fascinating how right-wingers can knee-jerk defend what is essentially a giant state welfare case, when they would sneer derisively at an individual asking for money.

[Ted]

I find it fascinating how right-wingers can knee-jerk defend what is essentially a giant state welfare case, when they would sneer derisively at an individual asking for money.

Yeah, both Marina and Ryan hate state welfare systems, yet support this.

What fucktards they are.

[MKSheppard]

You know, every once in a while, I think that maybe Shep is a real person-then I read a post like that and realize, no, he can only be the product of a hundred thousand twisted scientists laboring deep below Washington D.C. under the instruction of the NRA and Strom Thurmond, and then I realize that our Shep is merely MKSheppard Mk. 1, and soon there will be thousands more and at the critical moment his creators will strike, reanimating the corpse of Robert E. Lee, ressurecting Jefferson Davis, and send the New Confederate Army, consisting entirely of MKSheppard modules 50K through 250K, to bring the North to it's knees, secure Southern independence, and ensure that the Confederate battle flag flies over South Carolina once more!

...sorry

FUQ THIS!!!!!!

[SyntaxVorlon]

His girlfriend's ass has better political views then he does, I can hear if from my computer. But aside from an abject insult.
Isreal is not really a democracy, it is party run, the party gets voted in.
Next Israel is pushing its own, expansionist agenda, that only works with the US agenda because it holds the Arabs under the thumb of fear which the US likes because it wants the Arabs to let them have plenty of cheap oil. The entire US agenda is business driven, and the Israeli position is one of expansion.
Also many jews disagree with israeli policy, playing up the persecution card when debating is not valid and is a pointless distracter.

[MKSheppard]

I find it fascinating how right-wingers can knee-jerk defend what is essentially a giant state welfare case, when they would sneer derisively at an individual asking for money.

We're bribing both Egypt and Israel to be nice to each other. Sort of
like how Clinton tried to bribe North Korea to be nice.

http://www.meforum.org/article/281

Just as Israelis are increasingly questioning the utility of continued U.S. aid to their country (on which, the September 1995 issue of the MEQ), so too are Egyptians. In a Cairese journal called The Left, Aryan Nasif calculates that the aid has totalled $19 billion since 1975, of which $3 billion have gone for agriculture and food, then lists its many negative consequences. Nasif's long article goes into considerable detail; to make the following document easier to read, we leave out ellipses.

[jaeger115]

They're the only real democracy in the entire stinking region. That,
and the fact that they keep the Arabs down is enough for me

Hey Shep you motherfucker, Israel is NOT a true democracy! What true democracy actively discriminates against the Palestinians in terms of human rights and economics? Ever heard of the Jewish Right to Return??

[MKSheppard]

We pay the following countries money in military aid:

http://www.fas.org/asmp/library/asm/asm34.html

Military Aid Grants for FY98:

Israel
$1,800,000,000

Egypt
$1,300,000,000

Jordan
$45,000,000

Economic Aid Grants for FY98

Israel
$1,200,000,000

Egypt
$815,000,000

[MKSheppard]

Hey Shep you motherfucker, Israel is NOT a true democracy! What true democracy actively discriminates against the Palestinians in terms of human rights and economics?

Oh no, I guess we better call out the United Kingdom for their violations
of the rights of the Northern Irish since the 70s!

I recall a sign at a British checkpoint in NI in the 70s...."BLAME THE TERRORISTS FOR THIS" or somesuch

[jaeger115]

Oh no, I guess we better call out the United Kingdom for their violations
of the rights of the Northern Irish since the 70s!

I recall a sign at a British checkpoint in NI in the 70s...."BLAME THE TERRORISTS FOR THIS" or somesuch

There you go again, shifting responsibility BOTH nations are guilty. Does that mean we should stay friends with both of them?

Moreover, Israel bases its discrimination on race.

[MKSheppard]

Moreover, Israel bases its discrimination on race.

Counter-terror operations are so much easier when your typical
terrorist is a different ethnicity than your people.

[jaeger115]

Counter-terror operations are so much easier when your typical
terrorist is a different ethnicity than your people.

You...you...actually believe certain races are more suspectible to terrorism than others? Fucking racist!