Gays in StarWars?

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2007-04-02 02:01am

A friend of mine asked me this and I hounestly didn't have an answere for him.. IN all of the EU and related material, Is Homosexuality as we know it today ever glanced over in temrs of the StarWars Universe?

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2007-04-02 02:28am

No, but bestiality has. Corran Horn fucked a Selonian.

Because giant otters are hot.

Lord Relvenous · Post by **Lord Relvenous** » 2007-04-02 04:22am

Galvatron wrote:No, but bestiality has. Corran Horn fucked a Selonian.

Because giant otters are hot.

*CONCUR*

Honestly? I cannot think of a single instance of homosexual behavior.

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-04-02 04:58am

I could only find a few things that have anything to do with homosexuals in Star Wars, Ian Roberts playing Ganwick Trag the assistant bartender in AoTC and Scott Capuro who played Beed (the redheaded podracer announder) are both openly gay. Juhani from KoTOR may be a lesbian or bisexual, as evidenced by her being a second possible relationship for only the female Revan (Well... that and she's a cat girl

), however, only the male version is canon.

Eframepilot · Post by **Eframepilot** » 2007-04-02 05:54am

(insert required C-3P0 joke)

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-04-02 06:31am

Galvatron wrote:No, but bestiality has. Corran Horn fucked a Selonian.

Because giant otters are hot.

I'd hit it (Den Mother and the Sterile Female standing next to her head, the other two are a male and an adolescant).

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2007-04-02 10:08am

Apparently Mr. Horn goes for the zaftig type...

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-04-02 10:24am

He called her sleek... so I think it may be the sterile one...

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2007-04-02 11:53am

General Schatten wrote:He called her sleek... so I think it may be the sterile one...

Interesting...so Selonians can use it for social purposes as well as creative, like humans?

To tell the truth, if a witty, intelligent female who looked like that propositioned me, I'd have a hard time trying to say 'no'; some indicators of attractiveness bypass species, I guess.

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-04-02 12:02pm

They have more pictures in the wookiepedia article about them, you can take these, the ones that look just like giant otters wearing jewelry and some clothes, the ones that look like they have camel heads, or the ones that look like wolfmen... oh and the hyenamen, can't forget them, here.

Warsie · Post by **Warsie** » 2007-04-02 02:33pm

Eframepilot wrote:(insert required C-3P0 joke)

Heh. I was thinking the exact thing. Can robots have sex by hooking up their wires and emitting signals (kind've like Bender getting high by getting shocked). R2 porn?

Anguirus · Post by **Anguirus** » 2007-04-02 04:49pm

Interesting...so Selonians can use it for social purposes as well as creative, like humans?

To tell the truth, if a witty, intelligent female who looked like that propositioned me, I'd have a hard time trying to say 'no'; some indicators of attractiveness bypass species, I guess.

Horn IDs his paramour as a sterile Selonian. "Just because they're infertile doesn't mean they're incapable." Selonians have a pseudo-hive society, like naked mole-rats: apparently fertile females (about 1 in 10 females) and males are mostly devoted to reproducing, with fertile females having the highest status in society. Sterile females do most of the work in running the society and handle most contact with offworlders. Result: if she's fucking a human on Corellia, she's probably sterile. In fact, I think all Selonians we have actually met in the EU are sterile females. The Corellian Trilogy describes them in the most detail IIRC, unless there's a good RPG book on the Corellian System.

And yes, I'm surprised that I remembered all that.

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2007-04-02 04:59pm

For all we know, George Lucas may have specifically said, "NO graphic sex scenes in the EU, PERIOD! I do NOT want angry parents screaming at me because of some questionable scene in some book they bought for their kids. This goes for gay people, too!" to the various publishers.

Personally, this is probably for the best. I had problems with 'Star Trek: Titan' novels because the writers spent more time trying to shoehorn people of every color, sexual preference, and species into the novel to show off how "inclusive" the series is instead of GETTING ON WITH THE PLOT!

Warsie wrote:
Eframepilot wrote:(insert required C-3P0 joke)
Heh. I was thinking the exact thing. Can robots have sex by hooking up their wires and emitting signals (kind've like Bender getting high by getting shocked). R2 porn? :P

Now I'm having images of a droid with vibrators that extend from hidden compartments, specifically designed to "relieve" female (or male homosexual) pilots' stress. Hey, maybe I should use this in the next Love Gunsstory.

General Soontir Fel · Post by **General Soontir Fel** » 2007-04-02 05:23pm

Sidewinder wrote:Personally, this is probably for the best. I had problems with 'Star Trek: Titan' novels because the writers spent more time trying to shoehorn people of every color, sexual preference, and species into the novel to show off how "inclusive" the series is instead of GETTING ON WITH THE PLOT!

Can you give an example? Do they have characters parade their relationships and identities all the time? Do they have token characters of every description?

And I must agree that unless a homosexual relationship will serve the plot, it shouldn't be there (unless we're talking about a gay romance novel, where the relationship is the plot). I've had people complain to me about this in my fanfiction, and I had to explain that, yes, the lesbian relationship is there for a reason.

And yes, the same thing applies to heterosexual romance. If there's no plot reason for it, do it off-page or ignore it altogether. One reason fanfic gets a bad rap is because a great deal of it separates romance from the plot, puts romance above the main plot, or ignores the main plot altogether in favor of romance.

Spoiler: In Legacy of the Force: Tempest, the Jaina Solo romance issue is settled--she's not interested in anyone. Good thing, I say. The fans there were wanking almost at the Harry Potter levels.

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2007-04-02 05:36pm

General_Soontir_Fel wrote:
Sidewinder wrote:Personally, this is probably for the best. I had problems with 'Star Trek: Titan' novels because the writers spent more time trying to shoehorn people of every color, sexual preference, and species into the novel to show off how "inclusive" the series is instead of GETTING ON WITH THE PLOT!
Can you give an example? Do they have characters parade their relationships and identities all the time? Do they have token characters of every description?

I managed to read 70 pages of the first novel, 'Taking Wing', before I gave up. That novel introduced an INTELLIGENT VELOCIRAPTOR as the ship's doctor. Yes, a talking dinosaur with a big tail, pointy teeth, and claws.

Wikipedia wrote:Dr. Shenti Yisec Eres Ree is a Pahkwa-thanh male. The Chief medical officer of the starship Titan, Dr. Ree's friendly bedside manner is juxtaposed by his fearsome appearance. Standing over two meters tall, this bi-pedal reptile reminds Captain Will Riker of one of Earth's extinct, pack hunting dinosaurs.

The gay guy whose partner was the Lt Hawk that was assimilated in 'First Contact' before Worf shot him? I could've tolerated him if he was a well written character, the way I tolerated bisexual men in CLAMP's works, but he comes off as a bland character initially.

Then I read about Dr Dinosaur treating a crewman who's having health problems because Starfleet replicators have difficulty replicating certain nutrients in food native to that crewman's home planet. This takes up several pages. By then I gave up on the story and was no longer interested in seeing how the gay guy's character developed.

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2007-04-02 05:44pm

Note: all this talk about how the Titan has the most diverse crew in Starfleet, introducing several of a different races and explaining how they have difficulty living in human environments and how they have to adapt the climate control in their quarters? This takes up several chapters BEFORE the Titan is launched. Why not just toss out some lines as the ship's sailing towards Romulus? Why not have this boil over to the surface in the form of an outright mutiny aboard the ship due to some Klingon crewmen refusing to work with Romulan or Cardassian crewmen?

'Taking Wing' was written badly, killing any interest I had in other books.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2007-04-02 09:33pm

Would it bother anyone to think of Palpatine as a gay man?

He goes after young guys for his apprentices. Gives them pet names like Darth Maul and Darth Vader, has his own box at the Galactic ballet, etc.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2007-04-02 09:40pm

As far as I know, Juhani is the closest the EU's ever come, and her relationship with Revan may not even be a canonical aspect of her personality, since his gender has been established as being otherwise.

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-04-02 09:40pm

Except he had consorts and an illegitimate son in the form of Triclops. Then there's Ysanne's claims to loving the Emperor (That'd be like doing it with Crypt Keeper...)

Edit: Damnit you Noble Ire, I was trying to respond to Poe!

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2007-04-02 09:48pm

General Schatten wrote:Except he had consorts and an illegitimate son in the form of Triclops. Then there's Ysanne's claims to loving the Emperor (That'd be like doing it with Crypt Keeper...)

Edit: Damnit you Noble Ire, I was trying to respond to Poe!

You could, you know, quote him.

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-04-02 09:54pm

Noble Ire wrote:
General Schatten wrote:Except he had consorts and an illegitimate son in the form of Triclops. Then there's Ysanne's claims to loving the Emperor (That'd be like doing it with Crypt Keeper...)

Edit: Damnit you Noble Ire, I was trying to respond to Poe!
You could, you know, quote him.

I may have just turned 18, but I'm still a teenager and thus do what is expected of me... which is normally be lazy as hell...

darthbob88 · Post by **darthbob88** » 2007-04-02 10:56pm

General Schatten wrote:
Noble Ire wrote:
General Schatten wrote:Except he had consorts and an illegitimate son in the form of Triclops. Then there's Ysanne's claims to loving the Emperor (That'd be like doing it with Crypt Keeper...)

Edit: Damnit you Noble Ire, I was trying to respond to Poe!
You could, you know, quote him.
I may have just turned 18, but I'm still a teenager and thus do what is expected of me... which is normally be lazy as hell...

What, you mean reach over and press the "quote" button, rather than scroll down to the "reply" button?

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-04-02 11:12pm

darthbob88 wrote:
General Schatten wrote:
Noble Ire wrote: You could, you know, quote him.
I may have just turned 18, but I'm still a teenager and thus do what is expected of me... which is normally be lazy as hell...
What, you mean reach over and press the "quote" button, rather than scroll down to the "reply" button?

Exactly... I was too lazy to think rationally about that... scrolling down merely requires hand movement, thinking requires use of the brain, and no one does THAT anymore.

Anguirus · Post by **Anguirus** » 2007-04-03 01:53am

Would it bother anyone to think of Palpatine as a gay man?

He goes after young guys for his apprentices. Gives them pet names like Darth Maul and Darth Vader, has his own box at the Galactic ballet, etc.

No. Although I think he'd have consorts (male or female) as much to keep up appearances as anything else. I get the feeling that power is all he needs.

Cykeisme · Post by **Cykeisme** » 2007-04-03 12:46pm

Lord Poe wrote:Would it bother anyone to think of Palpatine as a gay man?

He goes after young guys for his apprentices. Gives them pet names like Darth Maul and Darth Vader, has his own box at the Galactic ballet, etc.

Oh, shit, you just ruined Star Wars for me.

You bastard.