WoW trials to UK Times readers

[Crown]

Ah, finally hit 40 on my lock.

The first thing I have to say about that is why are riding skills so expensive?

The second thing is thank Prince Sunstrider that warlocks get Riding 75 for free with purchase of a Felsteed.

Don't worry, the Dreadstead is gonna kill you. Not only is it more expensive than any other mount, but it means a Scholomance and Dire Maul run to get it (good luck now with the expansion). Your best chance is to find a Warlock who has the last three mats and is willing to help you out for the Dire Maul part.

But on the plus side it is IMBAH!

[Crown]

Sorry, but Alliance is where it's at. Ah well, enjoy your time in the Hunchback Brigade. (Seriously, orcs, tauren, trolls, undead....what the hell Blizzard?)

Fuck yes. I thought I was the only one who noticed that.

[Ghost Rider]

Sorry, but Alliance is where it's at. Ah well, enjoy your time in the Hunchback Brigade. (Seriously, orcs, tauren, trolls, undead....what the hell Blizzard?)

Now, now...the Horde shall be henceforth noted by their proper names.

Whipping boy, Hamburger, cheap Ivory, and finally target dolls. We are willing to trade with the Horde some gnomes for Blood Elf slaves, because we have found out, that killing said BEs produce a funny looking death sequence.

Also anyone who thinks a free 75 is big is a wussy biatch. Because with my Doomkin, I love my epic flying mount because I get a free bird at 68.

[Crown]

Sorry, but Alliance is where it's at. Ah well, enjoy your time in the Hunchback Brigade. (Seriously, orcs, tauren, trolls, undead....what the hell Blizzard?)

Now, now...the Horde shall be henceforth noted by their proper names.

Whipping boy, Hamburger, cheap Ivory, and finally target dolls. We are willing to trade with the Horde some gnomes for Blood Elf slaves, because we have found out, that killing said BEs produce a funny looking death sequence.

Also anyone who thinks a free 75 is big is a wussy biatch. Because with my Doomkin, I love my epic flying mount because I get a free bird at 68.

Am I the only one that hates the Blood Elfs? Seriously, they're just ... wrong far too thin and not 'substantial' enough. You think that they are pretty far away and Omfg! wHY DO i HaVe agggGr0?
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[GuppyShark]

"That hand-reaching-into-the-air as you Mutilate them makes up for everything." - Roefyll, Blood Elf Rogue.

I sometimes feel dirty for playing a Belf.

Then I Arcane Torrent for 30 Energy and an AoE Silence and remember why I am.

[Lancer]

Heh, BElf racials are awesome. You thought that mages have better DPS? Not if you drop an assload of ista-cast DoTs, then when they run up to you to do arctic blast, you silence them and hit draining life.

And that's after the Spell-lock the Felhunter's dumped on them.

[Kuja]

Am I the only one that hates the Blood Elfs? Seriously, they're just ... wrong far too thin and not 'substantial' enough. You think that they are pretty far away and Omfg! wHY DO i HaVe agggGr0?
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I hate the Blood Elves for an entireyl different reason - Blizzard keeps trying to yammer on about their "oh, there's no real 'good' or 'bad' guys between the alliance or Horde, it's all just a manner of perspective, anyone can be good/evil/etc it all just your own feelings" bullshit.

Meanwhile the Forsaken are spreading plagues and turning people into suicide bombs, and the Blood Elves are busy getting cosy with the demons and rape the cloest thing Warcraft has to an angel for its power.

And the Blood Elf leader decided to say "fuck you" to his own people and keep all the arcane energy he's gathered for himself.

But they're not evil.

Not evil at all.

[Crossroads Inc.]

And just in case the above doesn't do it, visit one of thier tailor shops where there are disesed Gnomes working at the crack of a whip making all those pretty Blood Elf cloths

[Teleros]

Meanwhile the Forsaken are spreading plagues and turning people into suicide bombs

Not sure... I'm wondering if a Forsaken civil war is in the offing between the nicer ones and the not-so-nice ones .

the Blood Elves are busy getting cosy with the demons and rape the cloest thing Warcraft has to an angel for its power.

Eh, it's more like "turning demons into batteries" or "eating demons" , as for the Naaru not everyone agrees with it - witness that blacksmith's reaction in the L20 pally quest when you get your polearm made.
Actually I had an idea for a bit of fanfic that sees some of the Blood Knights becoming more like Alliance paladins and using their powers rather than simply taking them. Might even get around to writing it some day .

And the Blood Elf leader decided to say "fuck you" to his own people and keep all the arcane energy he's gathered for himself.

Most of the Blood Elves don't realise this, if you play an in-game BElf character you'll end up going up against Kael'thas anyway .

And just in case the above doesn't do it, visit one of thier tailor shops where there are disesed Gnomes working at the crack of a whip making all those pretty Blood Elf cloths

Ok I admit it, they're evil .

[Lord Pounder]

...In the Times of all things? That's for the people who actually run the country!

Not if they get addicted.

Though I am now plagued with visions of upper class twits sitting in vast libraries in front of their computers exclaiming "I say dear boy, I just got stunlocked, bad form!".

[General Zod]

...In the Times of all things? That's for the people who actually run the country!

Not if they get addicted.

Though I am now plagued with visions of upper class twits sitting in vast libraries in front of their computers exclaiming "I say dear boy, I just got stunlocked, bad form!".

I wonder if The Queen subscribes to The Times. . .

[Teleros]

Though I am now plagued with visions of upper class twits sitting in vast libraries in front of their computers exclaiming "I say dear boy, I just got stunlocked, bad form!".

Wonder if we'll be seeing new acronyms in WoW too... a quick "TH!" (tally ho!) before charging into Drek'thar's room perhaps ?

[Dartzap]

"Quick bout through the dungeon and its back for tea and crumpets! Up and at 'em, lads!"

[Broomstick]

Personally, I think the Taurens and Dranei should say "To hell with you fuckers" and run off to someplace safe and away from everyone else. After all, the Tauren are Horde only because the Orcs helped them out - they weren't involved in the millenia-long horseshit between humans, elves trolls, orcs, etc. Mostly they'd been minding their own business and trying not to get slaughtered by the Centaur.

Besides, us hoofed bipeds should stick together.

[Kuja]

Not sure... I'm wondering if a Forsaken civil war is in the offing between the nicer ones and the not-so-nice ones .

Don't hold your breath.

Eh, it's more like "turning demons into batteries" or "eating demons" , as for the Naaru not everyone agrees with it - witness that blacksmith's reaction in the L20 pally quest when you get your polearm made.

There may be the occasional dissenter but it's pretty clear that the Blood Elves as a whole are becoming a selfish, cruel, manipulative race not unlike the fallen Eredar or Naga.

Actually I had an idea for a bit of fanfic that sees some of the Blood Knights becoming more like Alliance paladins and using their powers rather than simply taking them. Might even get around to writing it some day .

Blood Knights kill each other as a means of gaining rank and the source of their power is still based on selfishness and cruelty. I don't hold out much hope for them.

Most of the Blood Elves don't realise this, if you play an in-game BElf character you'll end up going up against Kael'thas anyway .

That wasn't my point; if the leader of the Blood Elves is such a petty, manipulative, selfish power-monger, what the hell do you expect from the rest of his race?

This is a point I brought up a long time ago with Ghost Rider: The elves have split - most of the good, decent folks have stuck by the Alliance, their friends ever since Warcraft 2. You can find them in Theramore and the lodges in Lordaeron. They're still High Elves, you can tell by their eyes. The self-absorbed mana crackheads are what have become the Blood Elves and although a few might try to apply the brakes once they realize how messed-up things are becoming, the vast majority of them aren't going to give a rip.

[Crown]

Some of my thoughts; I've been waiting for a Horde civil war ever since I rolled Undead Priest and my Tauren Shammy and Druid. Just doing the early quests emphasized how totally the fuck mismatched these races are. The Tauren, simply put, are the most descent, pleasant, warm and welcoming race in Azeroth.

Also the whole Paladin/Blood Knight. It never, ever, ever made sense to me that the Horde could have access to just as good healers, or more accurate Holy Priests, as the Alliance but for some reason weren't followers of 'The Light' and thus couldn't be Paladins. It's just an illogical proposition. However, since we are forced to accept it as an established fact in game, making the source of the Blood Elfs Blood Knights power be an imprisoned Naruu pretty much throws out any and all questions of whether or not there are evil 'sides' or 'factions'.

And lastly, I'm just wondering how long, or how many more expansions until Archimonde is defeated by his Warlocks, enslaved, made their bitch and all of the Warlocks suddenly turn on their factions and execute every last Rogue in the world for A) Ganking them repeatedly in PvP. There could be a Priest, a Mage and a Warlock all standing together and yet you can fucking guarantee that the Rogue is gonna go for the Warlock. And B) For not protecting them when an enemy Rogue was ganking them! As above, add a friendly Rogue to the group and he'll sit there and do jack shit as he watches the Warlock get ganked.

Seriously Rogues, WTF is up?

[Kuja]

It's because warlocks are, at a glance, an easier target.

Priests can insta-fear, instant heal, shield, and heal-over-time to weather a rogue's stunlock.

Mages can blink out of stun, pin you down and then blast the living shit out of a rogue.

But on the surface, a warlock can't do any of this. Barring intervention by their minion, the most they can do is Death Coil a rogue and DoT them up, then run like hell so that the rogue doesn't finish them off before their dots can do it. Chain-fearing and chain seduction don't really work anymore thanks to diminishing returns, whereas Cloak of Shadows is the closest thing to a Deus Ex Machina that exists in the game and is, essentially, a giant middle finger to most warlocks.

Long story short, warlocks are easy targets unless they have their guard up.

[Lancer]

Does Unstable Affliction do it's "dispel" damage if a Rogue uses Cloak of Shadows? All the PvP logs I've read are from Destro specced locks and thus don't answer this question, even though Aff should be a viable build.

[Kuja]

Does Unstable Affliction do it's "dispel" damage if a Rogue uses Cloak of Shadows? All the PvP logs I've read are from Destro specced locks, even though Aff should be a viable build.

It does and it doesn't. Cloak of Shadows, in addition to dispelling all debuffs on the rogue, gives them a 5-second buff to resist 90% of all enemy magic, which is what give the rogue time to vanish back into stealth. So there's a 1-in-10 chance that UA will go off and nuke them. The rest of the time they get away scot-free.

[GuppyShark]

Because Warlocks throw around DoTs like they're candy, and Rogues hate DoTs. All the agility in the world won't stop a Warlock from pressing the 'do damage and kill stealth' button.

I also do it because I hate Warlocks and everything about them. "lol demons are kewl". The presence of demon trainers in major cities is one of my pet peeves. Warlocks should be burnt on sight, since they've been responsible for every war.

[Ghost Rider]

To be honest, Rogues needed Cloak of Shadows. When you see what a geared Warlock does damage wise, and then look at his HPs at 12K, you either have something that will allow you to hurt him, or he DoTs you to hell, sics his pet and walks off to find something else to kill.

I've easily seen 'locks spam fear, and kill any class before they can press button one.

For instances though? I love warlocks more then any other class then a Well geared Balance/Resto Druid. A Mage cannot take dick in a heroic, and if they gain aggro because they are spamming something, they are dead. A Warlock? At least I can be assured he or she will take 2-3 hits to allow me and Warlock to run over and allow me to peel the mob off. And their damage output can easily reach a Mage level. The only thing they lack is a guaranteed CC in Sheep/Pig/Turtle versus a Warlock's Succubus Seduce.

[Teleros]

The presence of demon trainers in major cities is one of my pet peeves. Warlocks should be burnt on sight, since they've been responsible for every war.

Or at least stuck outside the main city like that shammy trainer in Stormwind . But then such things would be a wee bit unfair for one class if your own faction guards thought it ok to kill you on sight XD .

And lastly, I'm just wondering how long, or how many more expansions until Archimonde is defeated by his Warlocks, enslaved, made their bitch...

Archimonde died in Warcraft 3 . You're either thinking of Kil'jaeden or Sargeras, who we've only read of in backstories and is currently, if not dead, at least MIA or something.

[Enforcer Talen]

I believe Sargaras was in Warcraft 2 - he killed Gul'dan iirc.

[Kuja]

I believe Sargaras was in Warcraft 2 - he killed Gul'dan iirc.

Gul'dan was searching for Sargeras' tomb, but he and his cohort Cho'gall were both killed by a brief civil war amongst the Horde.

[Broomstick]

I hate the Blood Elves for an entireyl different reason - Blizzard keeps trying to yammer on about their "oh, there's no real 'good' or 'bad' guys between the alliance or Horde, it's all just a manner of perspective, anyone can be good/evil/etc it all just your own feelings" bullshit.

Meanwhile the Forsaken are spreading plagues and turning people into suicide bombs, and the Blood Elves are busy getting cosy with the demons and rape the cloest thing Warcraft has to an angel for its power.

And the Blood Elf leader decided to say "fuck you" to his own people and keep all the arcane energy he's gathered for himself.

But they're not evil.

Not evil at all.

Oh, yeah, because the Humans either enslaving or systematically trying to genocide the entire Orc race is OK.

And we'll just give the Gnomes a pass on that radioactive/toxic wasteland that used to be their city.

And the Night Elves trying to raise up another World Tree without proper deity authorization with the attendant problems of arrogance and corruption.

The point isn't that one side or the other is committing this evil act or that - it would be more accurate to say everyone has dirty hands and has done wrong at some point. Which is a darn sight closer to reality than MOST us-vs-them fantasy conflicts.

Like I said - there's an argument to be made for the Dranei and Tauren joining up, as they are possibly the least guilty groups, and letting the others go to hell

I think it would be funny as hell if Blizzard did a major realignment of forces, rearranging which race teams with which. Smash guilds all to hell, force people to think differently --- but the folks locked into one mind set would bitch. >sigh<

Other possibilities include a different troll tribe uniting with the Alliance - the Forest Trolls as a possibility. Not that they like Humans or anyone else, but they're being crushed between the BE's and the Forsaken. Then they'll have to add something to the Horde. Pity we couldn't get a three-way conflict going - maybe Dranei, Tauren, and Forest Troll against an Alliance of Humans, NE's, Dwarves, Gnomes and a Horde of Orcs, Darkspear Trolls, Forsaken, and BE's. Hmm.... we'd need another arce for the Dranei-Tauren, FT's....

Anyhow, I've got Horde on one server and Alliance characters on the other. They're all interesting, I have a blast, and I keep it a game.