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The military doesn't store any fast-spoiling food like sausages and bread, that's why they can it.loomer wrote:The canned food is apparently stolen from the military during raids. Couldn't the rest of the food be hijacked from the convoys supplying the military outpost in Cordon, and then hiked to the bar?
It's a shame that 'fucked up shit happens in there whoa' is almost cooler than the silliness they put at the end.MagnusTheReD wrote:Well, there is, but it's lame and consists primarily of abstract plot devices, and it's not very clear what does it really means.
And of course, the smuggling operations that the merchants have set up to sell artifacts to outside sources and bring in ammunition and weapons to sell... those can't be used to also bring in foodstuffs. No sir.MagnusTheReD wrote:Unlikely.DPDarkPrimus wrote:1) You can't make bread with flour and such from outside the Zone while inside the Zone?
I remember reading somewhere that the reason why is there no vehicles in the Zone is because the ones that were already inside are out of order and the military shoots down the ones that try to sneak in.
So I doubt that the few n00bs who manage to sneak into the Zone every once a while can carry enough flour on them to feed the local population.
The fact that all AKs are portrayed as massively inferior to l337 w3stern GuNZ in most games irritates the fuck out of me, and STALKER is no exception. Come the fuck on - the newest, baddest, latest Russian assault rifles are apparently not accurate enough to hit man-sized targets reliably at 100 meters with a fucking scope!Vympel wrote:Played some more- just got the documents from Agroprom- compalints that the AKS-74 is too accurate? If anything it's too inaccurate given the extremely short ranges you're fighting at- the effective range of the AK-74 (well aimed, that is) is 500m.
I do so love using it though.
Effective rangeArthur_Tuxedo wrote:If you fired enough shots at a stationary target and had all the time in the world to aim, I'm sure you could eventually hit something 500m away, but I wouldn't really call that "effective range". On the battlefield, I understand effective range to be 200-300 meters.
I believe that most of the artifacts are being bought by the scientists, while the merchants only smuggle artifacts for private collectors, which order a single, specific artifact - and it's nothing you can't deliver by smuggling it out of the Zone on foot, past the cordons.DPDarkPrimus wrote:And of course, the smuggling operations that the merchants have set up to sell artifacts to outside sources and bring in ammunition and weapons to sell... those can't be used to also bring in foodstuffs. No sir.
I absolutely agree with you!PeZook wrote:The fact that all AKs are portrayed as massively inferior to l337 w3stern GuNZ in most games irritates the fuck out of me, and STALKER is no exception. Come the fuck on - the newest, baddest, latest Russian assault rifles are apparently not accurate enough to hit man-sized targets reliably at 100 meters with a fucking scope!
), I absolutely DESPITE all that Russki-tech hatin' that goes around the media!Ironically, one of the games that models the guns in question most realistically is America's Army. The AK47 is somewhat more inaccurate then an M16 there, but within the bounds of reason - if you manage to target someone when prone and aiming, you're going to hit, regardless of the weapon used. The more advanced weapons on both sides seem to have pretty much the same accuracy, as it should be considering the ranges involved.PeZook wrote:The fact that all AKs are portrayed as massively inferior to l337 w3stern GuNZ in most games irritates the fuck out of me, and STALKER is no exception. Come the fuck on - the newest, baddest, latest Russian assault rifles are apparently not accurate enough to hit man-sized targets reliably at 100 meters with a fucking scope!
While a custom american carbine can do so without much trouble. And worst of all - it's exactly the same in most games, where AKs are inaccurate, low-tech pieces of shit.
The sniper-MP5 was simply a result of a lack of a truly advanced ballistics system in OFP. And reloading LAWs, well...that was just pure stupidityCaptHawkeye wrote:Yeah, but Flashpoint lost it in some other places. Remember the silenced Mp5 you could snipe with? Reloading LAWs?The only game that was acceptable to me in this regard was IIRC Operation Flashpoint, though it's been a while since I've played it.
Right. I wasn't defending the way it's portrayed in most games, just saying that 500 m is pretty damn optimistic on the battlefield with iron sights. Didn't know there was a big range / accuracy difference between 7.62 x 39 and 5.45 x 39, though. How does the AK-74 accuracy compare to the M4 or M16?Vympel wrote:Effective rangeArthur_Tuxedo wrote:If you fired enough shots at a stationary target and had all the time in the world to aim, I'm sure you could eventually hit something 500m away, but I wouldn't really call that "effective range". On the battlefield, I understand effective range to be 200-300 meters.
For comparison's sake, the "effective range" of an AK-47 is 300m rather than 500m of the AK-74 because of the ballistics of the 7.62x39mm round. The 5.45x39mm rounds of the AK-74 corrected this issue. That doesn't mean you can hit a target at 500m reliably with an AK-74 most of the time, but it does mean that you can rely on your bullets to not go completely out to lunch- which is what the AKs do in video games at absurdly short ranges.
The only game that was acceptable to me in this regard was IIRC Operation Flashpoint, though it's been a while since I've played it.
Which reminds me, I need to install Armed Assault.
