is this bullshit ? (ipod saves soldiers life)

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is this bullshit ? (ipod saves soldiers life)

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On another forum I'm on someone posted this blog entry:.
Photos sent to me by my friend Danny with this caption:

My wife’s uncle works in a military hospital and told me about this. Its pretty amazing. Kevin Garrad (3rd Infantry Division) was on a street patrol in Iraq (Tikrit I believe) and as he rounded the corner of a building an armed (AK-47) insurgent came from the other side.

The two of them were within just a few feet of each other when they opened fire. The insurgent was killed and Kevin was hit in the left chest where his IPod was in his jacket pocket. It slowed the bullet down enough that it did not completely penetrate his body armor. Fortunately, Kevin suffered no wound.
Picture of ipod 1
Pictuce of ipod 2

Basically they are crediting the ipod, not the body armor, for saving the soldiers life, with posts like the following after I tell them I think its bullshit:
Well, first look at the shape of the bullet, its designed to penetrate. But its also easily mangled. An Ipod is a half inch thick piece of aluminum and plastic, and would damage the bullet enough so that the body armor would take the rest of it and stop it.

Without the ipod the bullet may have penetrated the armor completely.
When he refers to the shape of the bullet, he is referring to the far right bullet in this picture which another poster assumes is the ammo the insurgents were using. So I have two questions:

How likely is that assumption on the ammo used to be correct ?
Assuming that this event did happen as described, what difference would the ipod of actually made ?
Here is the thread in question
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US body armor will stop an AK bullet most of the time. There's no reason to believe that a few millimeters of plastic, silicon, and tin foil made a critical difference.

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The bullet on the far left is the round that the AK-47 is built to fire.
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Yeah, I'm sure a rigorous, highly qualified analysis led to this "iPod saved my life" conclusion :roll:
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We had one marine who took a bullet to the head, through the helmet, skipping around his skull. Skin damage only.

Weird stuff happens.
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Enforcer Talen wrote:We had one marine who took a bullet to the head, through the helmet, skipping around his skull. Skin damage only.

Weird stuff happens.
Same exact thing happened to Grandfather during WW2. Except he was wearing one of those WW2 army standard tin cans, sufficient only for hitting your head against something.
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Sounds like a case for the Mythbusters
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Enforcer Talen wrote:We had one marine who took a bullet to the head, through the helmet, skipping around his skull. Skin damage only.
(emphasis added)

Well, there's your problem.... :wink: More seriously, I would say the results of the Mythbusters' "What is Bulletproof? episode preemptively disprove that an iPod could slow a bullet sufficiently to make a difference in lethality for a weapon of that calibre at that distance:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBuster ... etproof.3F
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Post by Howedar »

Modern bullets are designed to tumble on impact, so a sufficient disturbance a sufficient distance away could render the bullet ineffective. Whether this would meet those "sufficients" I do not know, but when dealing with complex impactors you can't simply superimpose thicknesses and call it good.
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OmegaGuy wrote:Sounds like a case for the Mythbusters
They've actually done the classical versions of this (Book, pack of cards, and lighter, iirc) they all failed for the most part.
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I'm thinking that the soldier in question will be getting a free replacement iPod for his troubles. The headline "iPod saves soldier's life" will see to that, while the more rigorous (though less poetic) headline "iPod may or may not have contributed to the survival of U.S. soldier" might not get that particular job done.
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Howedar wrote:Modern bullets are designed to tumble on impact
Not all of them; the AK47's bullets certainly don't, and I don't think the M16's have either since the 'A2 was introduced.
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The iPod saved his life, certainly. When it stopped working, it told him someone was shooting at him.

M855 rounds are designed to tumble (M855 being the current US Army issue round for the M16).
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Ma Deuce wrote:
Howedar wrote:Modern bullets are designed to tumble on impact
Not all of them; the AK47's bullets certainly don't, and I don't think the M16's have either since the 'A2 was introduced.
They do actually, and the SS109 round fragments too. For tumbling, the AK-74M's 5.45x39 is the king of tumbling
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