What went wrong with the new trilogy?

[Galvatron]

I guess it did him some good. He was still able to smoothly deliver pearls of wisdom like "who's the more foolish" without sounding like a pompous asshole the way young Obi-Wan did.

[Darth_Bastard]

Tell you what, you can have your little world where everyone speaks in whatever fashion you deem necessary to your point, and I will have mine where people are not necessarily expected to have their view of a subject given to them. I know which of the two I prefer.

[Ace Pace]

Tell you what, you can have your little world where everyone speaks in whatever fashion you deem necessary to your point, and I will have mine where people are not necessarily expected to have their view of a subject given to them. I know which of the two I prefer.

Wow, another idiot hiding behind 'We'll agree to disagree'. Tell you what, read the board motto,"Mockery of stupid people." You wrote stupidly, people laughed at you.

For reference, you're an idiot, no one talks that shortly in real life. Possibly if you had a bunch of attention deficient idiots who couldn't actully listen, you'd talk in key words and think they're smart enough to understand. Most people infact, are not like that.

[Tiriol]

Tell you what, you can have your little world where everyone speaks in whatever fashion you deem necessary to your point, and I will have mine where people are not necessarily expected to have their view of a subject given to them. I know which of the two I prefer.

Are you referring to Mr. Wong's opinion concerning how SW characters talked in the PT? Because that's it - an opinion, not a law set in stone by divine power. It should also be quite clear to anyone who has browsed these forums that Mr. Wong and just about everyone else here is ready to defend their opinions and to offer evidence to back them up.

Many agree with Darth Wong's opinions here, not because he is the administrator of these boards, but because they are well-founded and reasonable ones. It doesn't mean that he would give us our views on any particular subject.

Besides, he is correct: Viceroy Nute Gunray was the CEO of perhaps the largest corporation in the galaxy, of course he would speak in formal way; Senator/Chancellor Palpatine and Queen/Senator Amidala were career politicians, so they too are highly consious of the way they talk; and Master Obi-Wan Kenobi, Count Dooku and Anakin Skywalker were both raised in the Jedi High Temple, where formality is the norm and anyone who differs from it receives mild admonishment.

On the other hand, the OT characters (with the notable exception of Princess Leia Organa) were raised in less than formal manner: Luke Skywalker was a farmer on the Outer Rim planet which had practically only recently come under Imperial rule (and even then the Imperial presence was usually felt only slightly) and had no reason to even learn so formal speaking manner; Captain Han Solo was a smuggler and an outlaw, so his speaking style was also somewhat less than refined. And you would do well to note that Princess Leia herself acquired somewhat more direct way of talking over the course of the films and even in ANH there is a notable difference between Leia Organa of the beginning of the film and of the end of the film (after witnessing the destruction of her homeworld, being tortured by one of the most feared men in the galaxy and barely escaping twice with her life in a single day). Not to mention that PT was set in the twilight of the Golden Age (as Mr. Wong has often enough said) of the Old Republic where everything was polished and formal and OT was set during a time of tyranny and civil war. There is bound to be differences.

[Stark]

Indeed, given that Gunray was absolutely TERRIFIED of the legal consequences of his actions - to the point of attempting to assassinate mediators - that regardless of Sidious' power over him, he was trying to weasel and smarm his way out of direct liability. I think his legalese nonsense is very in character for someone being forced to do something he KNOWS is going to ruin him.

[Jim Raynor]

Tell you what, you can have your little world where everyone speaks in whatever fashion you deem necessary to your point, and I will have mine where people are not necessarily expected to have their view of a subject given to them. I know which of the two I prefer.

This isn't a mere matter of opinion. You made claims about the way normal people actually speak, and other people here called bullshit on that.

Come on, Robocop was your example of a decent, normal speaker? Does "Serve the public trust, protect the innocent, uphold the law" even qualify as a complete sentence?

[Darth Wong]

Tell you what, you can have your little world where everyone speaks in whatever fashion you deem necessary to your point, and I will have mine where people are not necessarily expected to have their view of a subject given to them. I know which of the two I prefer.

Hey moron, I hate to break it to you but there is, in fact, only one world, and only one reality. You're either accurately describing it or you're not. And you're not.

[Jade Falcon]

If you're talking about how people speak, look what happens when politicians are asked questions, very few give clear direct answers, it's hidden behind political.. bullshit to use a polite term. Politicians will often use 20 words when only 2 are necessary, quite often to evade the point being made.

Also, if the Jedi Council appeared a bit pompous, wasn't that the point in the PT, it helped with Palpatine's manipulation of Anakin, more or less saying that the Council had become decadent and corrupt, little more than a clique.

[Galvatron]

On the other hand, the OT characters (with the notable exception of Princess Leia Organa) were raised in less than formal manner:

Yet Tarkin and his cronies didn't sound laughably formal. Nor did the old-school rebels like Dodonna and Willard.

[Isolder74]

On the other hand, the OT characters (with the notable exception of Princess Leia Organa) were raised in less than formal manner:

Yet Tarkin and his cronies didn't sound laughably formal. Nor did the old-school rebels like Dodonna and Willard.

Yes they talked like military men at a meeting. In those situations there is usually a very good reason to get to the point.

[Galvatron]

Qui-Gon Jinn wasn't overly formal either. His performance is actually my favorite of the prequel trilogy.

[Adrian Laguna]

Qui-Gon Jinn was clearly something of a firebrand and obviously regarded with suspicion by the Jedi Council.

[Galvatron]

Thanks. It all makes sense now. For a second I almost thought it was a testament to Liam Neeson's acting chops.

[Elfdart]

I guess it did him some good. He was still able to smoothly deliver pearls of wisdom like "who's the more foolish" without sounding like a pompous asshole the way young Obi-Wan did.

Are you trying to tell me that Alec Guiness is a better actor than Ewan McGregor? Say it ain't so!

[Darth Wong]

A lot of the criticisms you hear stem from a certain level of arrogance regarding peoples' vision of the way things should have been in the Clone Wars. Instead of looking at them and saying "Ahhh, SW society was obviously a lot more formal back then", they say "The prequels got it wrong. Everyone is way too formal".

[Isolder74]

indeed also in Star Wars we see what part of the world the most. That's right the fringe and a group of REBELS. How many of these would be speaking fancy language? almost none.

In the PT we see the Jedi when the Jedi forgot what their own job really is.

[Darth Wong]

Besides, society itself could easily change dramatically in a few decades. Look at a picture of a hockey game in the 1940s. The entire audience is wearing suits, ties, dress shirts, fedoras, the whole nine yards. Now look at the audience at a modern hockey game. That is a major change in the formality level of society over a fairly short time, folks.

[Galvatron]

indeed also in Star Wars we see what part of the world the most. That's right the fringe and a group of REBELS. How many of these would be speaking fancy language? almost none.

Only if you ignore the Imperials. Captain Needa is a good example.

"Get a shuttle ready. I shall assume full responsibility for losing them and apologize to Lord Vader."

He spoke formally, yet managed not to arouse derision with a wooden performance.

[Isolder74]

indeed also in Star Wars we see what part of the world the most. That's right the fringe and a group of REBELS. How many of these would be speaking fancy language? almost none.

Only if you ignore the Imperials. Captain Needa is a good example.

"Get a shuttle ready. I shall assume full responsibility for losing them and apologize to Lord Vader."

He spoke formally, yet managed not to arouse derision with a wooden performance.

indeed but the critisism he was giving was leveled at the main character of the respective trilogies. As such, its good to point out that its a whole different class of society that makes them up. Indeed many of the Imperials in the old Trilogy talk and act like those in the PT.

[Darth Wong]

indeed also in Star Wars we see what part of the world the most. That's right the fringe and a group of REBELS. How many of these would be speaking fancy language? almost none.

Only if you ignore the Imperials. Captain Needa is a good example.

"Get a shuttle ready. I shall assume full responsibility for losing them and apologize to Lord Vader."

He spoke formally, yet managed not to arouse derision with a wooden performance.

Fear is a fairly simple emotion for an actor to simulate, which is why even the shittiest B-movie actors and actresses can do it. That scene does not really establish anything about his acting abilities.

[Galvatron]

I wasn't referring to his ability to emote, merely his ability to deliver his few lines in a way that didn't make me cringe.

Then again, if Needa isn't a good enough example (given his limited screentime), there's always Ozzel or Piett.

I personally think the absolute worst performance in the prequels was given by Natalie Portman.

[CaptHawkeye]

What to you were Natalie's specific moments of ultra "Please god make it stop" acting? Just wondering. I can sense things I didn't like about her either but can't seem to put my finger on it.

Oh, and don't bother with the Pre Geonosis Arena, i'm aware of that one.

[Darth Wong]

I wasn't referring to his ability to emote, merely his ability to deliver his few lines in a way that didn't make me cringe.

I personally think the absolute worst performance in the prequels was given by Natalie Portman.

I'd have to agree there. The problem with her was snobbery, IMO. She fancies herself one of those award-winning "serious" actors, and she felt that the entire idea of a Star Wars was beneath her. Hence, she didn't really even try. Not exactly out of character for a self-conscious teen at that point in her life, but you'd hope she'd be more professional.

[Galvatron]

I seriously think she dragged down everyone around her. Hayden Christensen wasn't really THAT bad, but all of his scenes with her were just awful.

That said, I'd hit it (her, not him).

[Darth Wong]

I seriously think she dragged down everyone around her. Hayden Christensen wasn't really THAT bad, but all of his scenes with her were just awful.

That said, I'd hit it (her, not him).

I actually thought Hayden did a pretty good job with the material he had. But how are you supposed to do dramatic scenes when you're standing opposite someone who is acting for all intents and purposes like she just walked off the set of a high-school play and she's impatient to get to cheerleader practice?