Latest creationist moron [April 12, 2007]

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-04-12 10:36pm

Seriously, I hate these fuckers who read a little piece of my site and then try to refute that in isolation with made-up science. I have no patience for these no-brain retards, so if any of you want to E-mail him and sharpen your teeth on him, be my guest.

Name: The Computer Wizard
E-Mail: thecomputerw@gmail.com
Subject: Your creationtheory website

Hello,

Your response to "How can something come from nothing, as per Big Bang theory?" suggests that space-time relativity has to do where the dot came from, which is where the universe came from? I cannot believe this. Everything had a beginning, that’s simple logic. Oh, and there is no way, even if the electrons, protons, and neutrons, were condensed to a space on the point of a page, that they would explode; what *would* happen would be a super-massive black hole (Einstein’s Law’s of Relativity, state that when matter is condensed small enough, that is what happens so read your physics book better), not an explosion. Even if there was an explosion (why’d it explode? Where was the energy to make it explode?) The debris would just as quickly be sucked back towards its starting point due to gravity. Another interesting point is that the speeds necessary for this things particles accelerating away from it to escape, would approach light-speed. Thus using yet another theory of relativity, towards light speeds, not only is time dilated, but size shrinks. Example: As you approach the speed of light in a spaceship, your spaceship retains its mass, but reduces in size until it is one atom or less in diameter. That is all standard physics.

All the bones that have not proved to be different animals, hoaxes, etc, that "support" the theory of evolution can fit in less than a coffin. Thus, if the theory of evolution is true, then you should be able to *easily* find fossil evidence, all over the place

"It is not that a link is missing [from evolution]; the whole chain is missing. -Dr. Dino

Oh and, if Dr. Dino is so wrong, I dare you to get into a debate with him. Virtually all of the time his opponents are left speechless, and have to start doing what you claim that us Christians do.
Faced with where the universe originally came from, one evolutionist said a real illogical response. "I guess the universe is oscillating, it explodes, then implodes, explodes, etc." He never answered the question. I have listened to debates and Dr. Dino clearly and concisely laid the facts out. His opponents cannot move from there.

Sheesh
Being a Christian makes so much more sense. God created it, and now that I know that, analyzing the things he did create is much, much more sensible and beautiful. You can bicker and argue with people, but as the Bible says, "Let God be true, and every man a liar."—Romans 3:4

Have a blessed day.
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EDIT: Added subject line.

Tricit · Post by **Tricit** » 2007-04-12 10:39pm

Can you give a subject/title so I can oh so cleverly let him know why he is getting a counter rebuttle without me actually saying anything?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-04-12 10:42pm

Tricit wrote:Can you give a subject/title so I can oh so cleverly let him know why he is getting a counter rebuttle without me actually saying anything?

OK, I added the subject line that he used.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-04-12 10:44pm

BTW, his IP address resolves to the Baton Rouge Community College network connection, geo-located to Independence, Louisiana.

Yup, another fundie from the Deep South. Colour me shocked.

Tricit · Post by **Tricit** » 2007-04-12 10:48pm

Although I hate to generalize, I chuckled a little at that location remark. The title is much appriciated (in a good way).

Feil · Post by **Feil** » 2007-04-12 11:17pm

Last I checked, they don't let people have debates with people serving time for tax fraud....

Adept · Post by **Adept** » 2007-04-12 11:18pm

Oh and, if Dr. Dino is so wrong, I dare you to get into a debate with him. Virtually all of the time his opponents are left speechless, and have to start doing what you claim that us Christians do.

I wonder if this poor lamb realizes where dear "Dr." Hovind is now.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2007-04-12 11:35pm

Could always comment on his blog

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2007-04-12 11:36pm

Ah yes. I love that particular argument. Of course, if "everything MUST have a beginning cause" is logically correct, that automatically precludes the existance of God. After all, something had to cause God, right? That's the problem with First Cause arguments, it tends to go "All things must have a cause... uh... except God" and contradict their own logic by making a counterpoint to their argument. It's great.

Tricit · Post by **Tricit** » 2007-04-12 11:42pm

Gil Hamilton wrote:Ah yes. I love that particular argument. Of course, if "everything MUST have a beginning cause" is logically correct, that automatically precludes the existance of God. After all, something had to cause God, right? That's the problem with First Cause arguments, it tends to go "All things must have a cause... uh... except God" and contradict their own logic by making a counterpoint to their argument. It's great.

By this creationist's logic, all of existance is absolutely absurd.

Magus · Post by **Magus** » 2007-04-13 12:48am

Tricit wrote: By this creationist's logic, all of existence is absolutely absurd.

It's not absurd - it's logically flawless and beautiful! We humans are merely too weak-minded to understand the intricacies of how it works - only God is smart enough. We should therefore just give up and stop expanding science, because our poor excuses for scientific models will never achieve 100% accuracy! </sarcasm>

Teleros · Post by **Teleros** » 2007-04-13 01:05am

Gil Hamilton wrote:Ah yes. I love that particular argument. Of course, if "everything MUST have a beginning cause" is logically correct, that automatically precludes the existance of God. After all, something had to cause God, right? That's the problem with First Cause arguments, it tends to go "All things must have a cause... uh... except God" and contradict their own logic by making a counterpoint to their argument. It's great.

That said, there may be some forms of logic that can start with an effect - article in New Scientist was saying how they're experimenting with other topoi (go look it up, I CBA trying to explain it

) other than boolean logic to try and help understand some quantum effects. So there might be some way of saying "everything must have a cause... bar God" - although it'd probably involve screwing up our universe on a very fundamental level

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Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-04-13 01:17am

I remember one time I tried substituting "the universe" into a creationist's argument every time he mentioned God, in an effort to show how God is unnecessary.

His response? I shit you not- he said "You worship the universe the way I worship God. You are just as religious as I am."

Naturally, I had to point out to him that the universe can be directly observed, unlike God. He never wrote back. But I'm sure he told all of his fundie buddies about how he gave that stupid atheist the thrashing of his life!

Post by **Edi** » 2007-04-13 02:38am

The stupid in that email burns.

Darth Wong wrote:I remember one time I tried substituting "the universe" into a creationist's argument every time he mentioned God, in an effort to show how God is unnecessary.

His response? I shit you not- he said "You worship the universe the way I worship God. You are just as religious as I am."

Naturally, I had to point out to him that the universe can be directly observed, unlike God. He never wrote back. But I'm sure he told all of his fundie buddies about how he gave that stupid atheist the thrashing of his life!

I've got to remember this one for later use if I ever feel like using some moron for a scratching post somewhere.

Wyrm · Post by **Wyrm** » 2007-04-13 12:25pm

Oh, and there is no way, even if the electrons, protons, and neutrons, were condensed to a space on the point of a page, that they would explode; what *would* happen would be a super-massive black hole (Einstein’s Law’s of Relativity, state that when matter is condensed small enough, that is what happens so read your physics book better), not an explosion. Even if there was an explosion (why’d it explode? Where was the energy to make it explode?) The debris would just as quickly be sucked back towards its starting point due to gravity. Another interesting point is that the speeds necessary for this things particles accelerating away from it to escape, would approach light-speed. Thus using yet another theory of relativity, towards light speeds, not only is time dilated, but size shrinks. Example: As you approach the speed of light in a spaceship, your spaceship retains its mass, but reduces in size until it is one atom or less in diameter. That is all standard physics.

Awww, isn't it cute when fundietards try to do fizzicks? They think that Einstein's General Theory of Relativity ("Einstein's Law's of Relativity"? HAW!) denies the Big Bang, when the theory actually predicts it.

(Note to fundietard, that GR predicts that matter condense into black holes requires that, under the appropriate boundary conditions, matter will explode from a similarly dense state. It's called "time symmetry".)

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2007-04-13 01:39pm

Unless it's an incredible coincidence of identical usernames, this guy has actually signed up to the board yesterday and his account has been activated, though so far he's only made one post in SWvST. Could an Mike or another admin confirm if this is the same individual?

SilverWingedSeraph · Post by **SilverWingedSeraph** » 2007-04-13 01:50pm

Ma Deuce wrote:Unless it's an incredible coincidence of identical usernames, this guy has actually signed up to the board yesterday and his account has been activated, though so far he's only made one post in SWvST. Could an Mike or another admin confirm if this is the same individual?

He seems about as retarded, and his spelling and grammar seem consistant. Also, the amazing leaps in logic and lack of accurate information in their arguments is consistant. I'd place a good wager on it being the exact same person.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-04-13 01:52pm

Will probably fire off a reply later today after I take care of more important issues like trimming my toe-nails.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2007-04-13 02:06pm

Average cookie cutter nonsense. "Hey man, my church told me christianity makes more sense than lies x y and z! Therefore it is!" What utter crap. Ooooh, the Big Bang is weird, therefore a god doing stuff by magic is a great proposition, and believing that that same God became its own son to die to change a rule it madein the first place is a perfectly rational extension of that. Who the hell do they think this bullshit is actually convincing for? I doubt anyone has ever converted from that line of argument.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2007-04-13 02:27pm

Darth Wong wrote:I remember one time I tried substituting "the universe" into a creationist's argument every time he mentioned God, in an effort to show how God is unnecessary.

Speaking of substitution "the universe" for "God", all of the formal logic proofs of "God", like, say, Godel's ontological argument, rely on defining God so loosely that even if you accept their premises you'll only end up proving the necessary existence of the universe or the consistency of logic.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2007-04-13 02:30pm

Computer Whizzard wrote:Example: As you approach the speed of light in a spaceship, your spaceship retains its mass, but reduces in size until it is one atom or less in diameter. That is all standard physics.

It's all easily refuted drivel, but this caught my attention. Very obviously somebody has never cracked a physics textbook that covers relativistic mechanics: as you approach c in a spaceship, you don't notice anything happening to your spaceship, but see instead the rest of the universe dilating in time and length and increasing in mass.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-04-13 02:37pm

Is this creationist tard the same as this Newbie tard wanking to Trek research capabilities?

Steven Snyder · Post by **Steven Snyder** » 2007-04-13 02:42pm

Yes Darth Servo...it sure is. Why don't you go over there and comment on the graceful elequence of his arguments?

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-04-13 02:46pm

Yes, I already figured out that it is and I already am.

The Computer Wizard · Post by **The Computer Wizard** » 2007-04-13 02:50pm

Darth Wong wrote:I remember one time I tried substituting "the universe" into a creationist's argument every time he mentioned God, in an effort to show how God is unnecessary.

His response? I shit you not- he said "You worship the universe the way I worship God. You are just as religious as I am."

Naturally, I had to point out to him that the universe can be directly observed, unlike God. He never wrote back. But I'm sure he told all of his fundie buddies about how he gave that stupid atheist the thrashing of his life!

Oxygen has many of the same properties of God, you cant smell it, touch it, taste it or hear it, but does that mean it is not there? Of course it is there. The only way that you can know that there is no God is to know everything about everything, which would *make* you omnipotent, and if you know everything, then that would make you God.

Lianardo Da'Vinci once was quoted as saying, "In the absense of evidence of any other sort [the Bible and general nature] my thumb alone would convince me of a creator.

Macro Evolution
Micro Evolution
Look these terms up in your dictionary, one is how plants and animals change to fit a situation or circumstance, and one is how a rock evolves into a rose.