Jango Fett vs Malcolm Renolds

[Enforcer Talen]

Instead of the Operative, the Alliance has decided to send Jango Fett. He has all his personal gear, but no Firefly. He has the resources the Operative would have, and is replaced the beginning of the movie Serenity.

What happens?

[Ender]

Instead of the Operative, the Alliance has decided to send Jango Fett. He has all his personal gear, but no Firefly. He has the resources the Operative would have, and is replaced the beginning of the movie Serenity.

What happens?

Slave 1 vs an unarmed, vastly lower freighter. Come one man.

Or if you mean no Slave 1 instead, he is stuck on a planet and can't get off. So he needs to creae some situation to bring Mal and them to him. THe problem is generating that situation, since all his leverage (eg Inara, River and Simon's parents, Book) are on different planets.

So either its a one way no chance battle, or a nonissue.

[Enforcer Talen]

Was my post unclear?

The operative is replaced by Jango Fett. So its Jango Fett with the operative's resources, but no SW tech aside from his personal gear.

[Ender]

Was my post unclear?

The operative is replaced by Jango Fett. So its Jango Fett with the operative's resources, but no SW tech aside from his personal gear.

Given that is personal gear includes a starship, yes.

[Enforcer Talen]

. . . Oh, I see the problem. Both are Firefly class.

Addendum: Instead of the Operative, the Alliance has decided to send Jango Fett. He has all his personal gear, but no Slave 1. He has the resources the Operative would have, and is replaced the beginning of the movie Serenity.

What happens?

[Enforcer Talen]

. . . Oh, I see the problem. Both are Firefly class.

Addendum: Instead of the Operative, the Alliance has decided to send Jango Fett. He has all his personal gear, but no Slave 1. He has the resources the Operative would have, and is replaced the beginning of the movie Serenity.

What happens?

Belay my last, Firespray. Im wrong on all counts, it seems.

[Gerald Tarrant]

There's one place where, I think, Jango's equipment might change the outcome of the movie.

When Malcolm tries to rescue Inarra he's incapable of it on his own. I believe the scene proceeds along these lines:

Op: "I am unarmed"

Mal: Bang

Shoots Operative, drags Inarra with him

Op: Hits/subdues Mal from behind. "I am of course wearing body armor, I'm not an idiot"

Inarra uses some sort of flash powder to disorient/stun the Operative.

I'm fairly certain Jango's armor would give him the advantage as far as the stun powder goes (doesn't his visor have all sorts of internal goodies?)

Where he's at a disadvantage, He's clearly wearing body armor (the Operative didn't look like he was) I'm not sure whether or not it covers his extremities, but looking at my lifesize cardboard cut-out of Boba Fett, it looks like it does not.

So I see three possibilities

A) If Mal follows his behavior from the movie he shoots for the body then we follow the original events and Jango avoids the effects of the Flash Powder/Incense, captures Mal, and Serenity is out a captain.

B) If, instead, Mal shoots for the extremities he can wound/incapacitate Jango allowing him to escape

C) If Jango chooses to deviate from the script, he just shoots Mal as he comes in instead of trying to talk him into giving up River.

Of course the above encounter is assuming a few other things.

1) Jango is smart enough to reach the point the Operative did

2) Jango has the same Fed resources the Operative did (Core Tex, intel-dossiers etc)

I'm going to assume that requirements 1 & 2 are met. And I just noticed the scenario specifies number 2 is met Personally I think Jango is ruthless enough to go for choice C) just shooting Mal. I think his gear doesn't provide any major disadvantages, but it probably does allow him more effective non-lethal methods than the operative had available if he decides to capture Mal as a method of finding River.

[Siege]

Does Boba's armor have all the funky flamethrowers and garottes and whatnot that Jango's had? Because even if everything else transpires as it did in "Serenity", wrist-mounted flamethrowers would make that fight at the end rather lopsided... I don't see Malcolm beating a dude in body-armor with his fists, really.

[The Grim Squeaker]

Does Boba's armor have all the funky flamethrowers and garottes and whatnot that Jango's had? Because even if everything else transpires as it did in "Serenity", wrist-mounted flamethrowers would make that fight at the end rather lopsided... I don't see Malcolm beating a dude in body-armor with his fists, really.

He has even more equipment including poisoned darts, grenades and mind control toxins (Han solo trilogy). Apparently he carries more equipment than your average armory, and almost certainly has more gear than even Jango.
His helmet also includes 360 degree vision and sensors (Which would almost certainly stop some powder).

In other words, in a fight Mal is screwed (even if both have only a gun), heck even in pure unarmed, unarmored combat Boba would still almost certainly massacre Mal (Mal isn't a world class brawler, and Boba massacres highly trained H2H experts for fun ["H S:Rebel Dawn"]).

When it comes to tracking Mal down he also should be quite capable, in the SW galaxy he apparently has a "Galaxy spanning network of operatives" that would do most systems proud, and while he almost certainly won't massacre innocent civilians he'll still be able to hold them hostage or to just wait with Inara.

[Ford Prefect]

in the SW galaxy he apparently has a "Galaxy spanning network of operatives"

He's not in the Star Wars galaxy anymore, Toto.

[The Grim Squeaker]

in the SW galaxy he apparently has a "Galaxy spanning network of operatives"

He's not in the Star Wars galaxy anymore, Toto.

But it is a point showing that he knows how to manage a large network of informants and to collate gargantuan amounts of data in order to find targets

[Shroom Man 777]

Well, that doesn't really matter. The Operative used the Firefly-verse's interweb, which is a series of tubes, and he was able to trace down Serenity. Jango can do that too.

Oh, and are we talking about Jango or Boba? The title says Jango, but Siege and the others are talking about Boba.

Anyway, in a one on one fight, Jango takes it. But if Zoe, or Jayne the asshole, creeps up behind Jango and hits him with a stick or something, well, he ends up flying through the air like a dick

[Ted C]

Instead of the Operative, the Alliance has decided to send Jango Fett. He has all his personal gear, but no Slave 1. He has the resources the Operative would have, and is replaced the beginning of the movie Serenity.

Difficult to decide. If it was Boba Fett, I'd easily write off Mal and crew; Boba demonstrated in TESB that he can think like a smuggler and be a mile ahead. I don't know if Jango thinks that way, though.

In any direct confrontation, Jango Fett's superior equipment should allow him to easily overwhelm Mal. Assuming he intercepted Mal at Inara's temple, he would probably have just stunned them both and subjected them to chemical interrogation to get River's location.

Further, Zoe and whoever chose to accompany her would probably be trapped as well, since Mal left orders to try to rescue him if he didn't contact them after a certain time. I suspect that Jango would have a plan for something like that.

[Shroom Man 777]

It'd be awesome if Serenity's dingy little gun pwned the Slave One.

[Gil Hamilton]

I'd think if Jango Fett can kick the ass of an important Jedi Knight who is on the fast track to master, chances are he's going to give Mal an assfooting once he finds him. I doubt Mal's pistol is going to do much to Jango's body armor, but Jango's blaster doesn't have that problem with Mal.

[Civil War Man]

I'd think if Jango Fett can kick the ass of an important Jedi Knight who is on the fast track to master, chances are he's going to give Mal an assfooting once he finds him. I doubt Mal's pistol is going to do much to Jango's body armor, but Jango's blaster doesn't have that problem with Mal.

Obi-Wan was under orders to capture Jango Fett alive, so he wouldn't have been using all his Jedi tricks in that fight.

Doesn't diminish Jango's accomplishment that much, though. Jango would mop the floor with Mal in a stand-up fight.

[Ted C]

Doesn't diminish Jango's accomplishment that much, though. Jango would mop the floor with Mal in a stand-up fight.

I'm not disagreeing with this statement, but I think a lot of people are missing the point.

The question isn't "Could Jango kick Mal's ass?" That's a given, because of his superior equipment.

"Would Jango actually be able to successfully hunt down River Tam if he were the Alliance Operative in Serenity?" That's a different question altogether. He doesn't have his own spaceship and information sources; he has to rely on his wits and what the Alliance can tell him.

[Gil Hamilton]

Obi-Wan was under orders to capture Jango Fett alive, so he wouldn't have been using all his Jedi tricks in that fight.

This is OT, so I'll stop with this: Actually, Obi-Wan had no orders concerning Jango. He or anyone else didn't know about Jango until his investigation led him to the Kamino Cloning Facilities, which was his investigation. He did want to take Jango alive to question him, but his Jedi powers would have been highly useful there in restraining him, saving him a large amount of time and would have prevented him from being nearly killed by falling into the Kamino sea.

[Ghost Rider]

Obi-Wan was under orders to capture Jango Fett alive, so he wouldn't have been using all his Jedi tricks in that fight.

This is OT, so I'll stop with this: Actually, Obi-Wan had no orders concerning Jango. He or anyone else didn't know about Jango until his investigation led him to the Kamino Cloning Facilities, which was his investigation. He did want to take Jango alive to question him, but his Jedi powers would have been highly useful there in restraining him, saving him a large amount of time and would have prevented him from being nearly killed by falling into the Kamino sea.

The novel states directly for Obi Wan to capture Jango, by orders of Yoda, which is after he discovers the clone army and tells them of this.

[Darth Wong]

The Operative had a curious respect for Malcolm, and could have killed him several times but didn't (for example, the time he shot Malcolm in the back, but used a non-lethal setting on his energy weapon).

Jango would have killed Malcolm on any of these occasions, or at the very least, used a blaster on stun setting to disable, capture, and then interrogate him for information.

[Sidewinder]

From what I understand, it seems everyone agrees that Jango would be able to track down the Serenity, capture Mal, and interrogate him to find River's location.

Then what? How will Jango deliver River to the Alliance? Decide, "The Alliance wants River Tam alive. They didn't say they wanted her unharmed," and stun her or, failing that, use the flamethrower to subdue her, judging the Slave I's onboard medical equipment will keep a severely burnt River alive long enough for Jango to deliver her to an Alliance official so Fett can collect the bounty?

[NecronLord]

I can't see how this is even a challenge. Mal was a decent sergeant, and smuggler.

Jango was a galaxy-class bounty hunter, who was chosen to be the father of an army by Count Dooku, and devised the training regimen of the infamous ARC troopers himself, and managed to go toe to toe with a Jedi Master and escape.

[ThatGuyFromThatPlace]

ALl your arguments for Jango assumu that he could get as far as the Operative could in the research department.

Regardless of his ability to to create and manage his own network in the SWverse, he doesn't have that here. He may have all the resources the Alliance can give him, but even with all those resources, The Operative himself couldn't locate Mal, he had to lay a trap (one that could easily have failed to attract Mal if executed improperly, given Malcom and Inara's complicated relationship) And Jango's Heavier handed tactics could easily have warned Mal to at least be more cautious.

And, Even if Jango gets to the first encounter and succeds in capturing Mal, it's in no way guaranteed that he could torture River's location out of Mal, who was successfully capable of withstanding torture in "War Stores".

[Ghost Rider]

ALl your arguments for Jango assumu that he could get as far as the Operative could in the research department.

Regardless of his ability to to create and manage his own network in the SWverse, he doesn't have that here. He may have all the resources the Alliance can give him, but even with all those resources, The Operative himself couldn't locate Mal, he had to lay a trap (one that could easily have failed to attract Mal if executed improperly, given Malcom and Inara's complicated relationship) And Jango's Heavier handed tactics could easily have warned Mal to at least be more cautious.

And, Even if Jango gets to the first encounter and succeds in capturing Mal, it's in no way guaranteed that he could torture River's location out of Mal, who was successfully capable of withstanding torture in "War Stores".

So Jango being more brutal and less likely to have any sort of hideously dumb "Honor" will fail because of which again?

Mal has shown he's a softie when it comes to many things, and especially to Inara. Somehow I doubt if Jango decided "Fuck the guy, time to prod the woman." Mal is going to sit and smile.

[ThatGuyFromThatPlace]

Mal didn't exactly jump for the 'Longer you wait, the more people I will kill' tactic if you recall. Mal way be a softie but he's no idiot, if a guy shows up in full combat armor with fantastic weapons hanging off of it and starts 'prodding' the Woman, do you think His plan is going to be the same?
Taking a look back at the movies/comics/games I find it questionable that Jango would even go for the trap plan, instead preferring to go for a more direct (more challenging, The guy is in part at least in the Bounty business for the legendary thrill of 'the most dangerous game') hunt.

Two questions:
1. Has Jango ever been shown canonically to lay a trap of this sort for a target?
2. Did the Alliance Know that the tams were still traveling with Malcolm before triggering River?