Why the Hell is IE so fucking fast?!

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-01-06 01:09am

Slashdot has an interesting article on the subject ...

http://grotto11.com/blog/slash.html?+1039831658

Microsoft breaking standard protocols to further their own agenda?

Naaaaaaah.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-01-06 01:11am

I've noticed that IE is faster than my Opera. Strange as well.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-01-06 01:15am

*After actually READING the article*

GAH!! Microsoft can burn with its own feces for its take-over-the-world mentality!!

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-06 01:20am

Bill Gates is the bringer of evil and chaos. The use of a modified TCP protocol that fucks up cross-platform communications reliability is exactly the sort of thing we've come to expect from these assholes, and your president just gave them a blank cheque to do whatever they want, in the glorious cause of Corporate Profit.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-01-06 05:09am

Fuck Microsoft.

I ask again, how much would it set us back to "buy" a Russian bomber wing and level the afflicted areas...

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-01-06 05:40am

TCP Protocol Translated into Real Life.
Me=Browser.
You=Server.
Rude Asswipe=Idiot Exploiter

How TCP is supposed to work:

Code: Select all

Making a Connection

Me: Hey(SYN)
You: Hey Wazzup?(SYN/ACK)
Me: Wazzup(ACK)
Me: Wanna go Bowling/Have Sex/Play Quake/Etc Etc Etc?(REQUEST)

Breaking Connection

You: Hey I gotta go.(FIN)
Me: Okay(ACK)
Me: Lata and Happy Fragging!(FIN)
You: Thanks. Bye!(ACK)

How IE does it (and sometimes gets punched in the nose)

Make Connection

Rude Asswipe: Gimme a Dollar!(REQUEST)
You: (can ignore it or refuse. let's say refuse this time) Fuck Off!(RST)
Rude Asswipe: Oh, you're a [b]Nice Guy.[/b] Okay, Hi.(SYN)
You: That's Better. Hi.(SYN/ACK)
Rude Asswipe: Wazzup?(ACK)
Rude Asswipe: Can I borrow a dollar?(REQUEST)

Break Connection

You: Okay, you can go byebye now. Please leave.(FIN)
Rude Asswipe: (doesn't leave) Whatever.(ACK)

And there you have it.

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2003-01-06 06:10am

It;s funny cos Mozilla still fetches pages quicker on my PC...

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-06 06:35am

weemadando wrote: I ask again, how much would it set us back to "buy" a Russian bomber wing and level the afflicted areas...

$8.3 million will buy you an Su-25 Close Air Support craft, fly-away.

This will give you ample firepower to destroy Microsoft HQ- it's standard warload is more than enough.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-01-06 11:59am

Darth Wong wrote:Bill Gates is the bringer of evil and chaos. The use of a modified TCP protocol that fucks up cross-platform communications reliability is exactly the sort of thing we've come to expect from these assholes, and your president just gave them a blank cheque to do whatever they want, in the glorious cause of Corporate Profit.

WTF? Blank check?

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-06 01:04pm

Slashdot... eh...

I'll wait until it's brought up on arstechnica's forums where the people with the apparent "know-how" debates over things like these for pages on end before I form any opinion.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-01-06 01:44pm

Can they freakin' do that? The TCP/IP system is a communications standard. All systems no matter what are supposed to use those protocols, so everyone plays by the same rules regardless of what they run. Having IE play by different rules is just stupid.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-06 01:48pm

Gil Hamilton wrote:Can they freakin' do that? The TCP/IP system is a communications standard.

Thats what we're gonna try and find out, so I went here:
http://arstechnica.infopop.net/OpenTopi ... 1790988445

No offence to this board but we're sci-fi geeks, this is an issue for the computer geeks

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-01-06 02:24pm

Gil Hamilton wrote:Can they freakin' do that? The TCP/IP system is a communications standard. All systems no matter what are supposed to use those protocols, so everyone plays by the same rules regardless of what they run. Having IE play by different rules is just stupid.

It's also an open standard, meaning that they can toy with it however they wish.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-01-06 02:28pm

Hm ... I'd like to see what the original author of the article has to say about the failure of independent tests.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-06 02:29pm

Well, from the Arstechnica discussion it seems that even readers of slashdot have done tcp dumps:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=498 ... id=5022561

edit:
I see I'm late

As soon as I get windump working I'll be trying it too.
I seem to have the wrong version of winpcap.

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2003-01-06 02:51pm

Times like this make me glad I don't understand computers.

Rubberanvil · Post by **Rubberanvil** » 2003-01-06 03:04pm

Darth Wong wrote: and your president just gave them a blank cheque to do whatever they want, in the glorious cause of Corporate Profit.

Oddly enough most US Government Departments and Branchs have moving away from Windows to Unix and/or Linux. Licensing fees, secruity(sp) issues, and general Windows f--kups are the primary reasons for the move.