Dante Leonhart: Homophobic Racist VS Video Maker

[Ritterin Sophia]

Oh wait, you stole shit from GAMES and you identify with your character way too much? LAMER.

The only part about this kind of thing I have a problem with, is he didn't use any creativity in his character and he used it as his legal name.

[SilverWingedSeraph]

Oh wait, you stole shit from GAMES and you identify with your character way too much? LAMER.

The only part about this kind of thing I have a problem with, is he didn't use any creativity in his character and he used it as his legal name.

It's kind of sad, really, how little effort and creativity a lot of people put into creating characters. They think it's perfectly normal to just take a pre-existing character or two, slap them together, change their name (slightly), and then claim it as your own. I'll freely admit I get inspiration for my characters from other sources, but I'll always make sure that my characters are 100% my own. With the exception of my DtF character Elroy Hawkins, who was a blatant rip-off of Roy Mustang from Full Metal Alchemist. But that was intentional, as that character was made soley for amusement purposes.

Another thing I've noticed among a lot of amateur roleplayers and writers I see these days, is that every character they create is virtually exactly the same in every concieveable way, with a few minor details. They don't roleplay, they just create characters around their own personality, which is somewhat infuriating.

[Starglider]

Topic drift, but given...

The rampant amount of hideous character sheets and terrible fanfiction seems to say otherwise, though. . .

...I felt compelled to share this character description:

I am a ninja fallen angel cyborg elf immortal from Atlantis. I look like I'm 19 and perfectly fit but I'm actually almost a million. I'm super rich and am always successful with a perfect smile. But even when I'm smiling I'm always mysterious.

I'm looking for my lover, a pirate demon half-cyborg dragon vampire prince from the Matrix. My mother, an extra-dimensional, magic-wielding goddess, commanded her loyal hordes of evil mecha-piloting psychic Amazon cat-girls to kidnap him after I found out he wasn't really my half-brother as my mother had told me. To add to my woes, my incredibly cute and fluffy anime pet has amnesia, and has joined the ranks of "Lord Evilest Dark Evil Darkness", the most Evil and Dark being to grace the halls of Dark Evilness, who is so Evil and Dark he makes normal Dark and Evil things look like a cute and fluffy anime pet.

I have all powers of psionic, magic, martial arts, gun, dragon, organics, ninja, nanite, vampire, shapechange, ki, holy, unholy, mind reading, jaunts, robots, demon, luck, emotions, martial arts, time, pirate, space, portals, primal energy, and few other types that are just emerging. My powers are ten times stronger when I'm angry or sad. I never age and can't die. I am superstrong, perfectly agile, and tough enough to resist ubermantium. I can fly and bake cookies with my laser vision and am followed by my loyal swarms of flying rabid sea bass that teleport with venom bites.

I'm weak against supernovas, which burn, and cheese bagels, which go straight to my hips.

Sadly I can't remember where I originally got it from (some forum somwhere in the mists of web prehistory I expect), but I'm tempted to post it as my character desc any time I see people posting wanktastic characters without realising how sad they're being.

[SilverWingedSeraph]

I am a ninja fallen angel cyborg elf immortal from Atlantis. I look like I'm 19 and perfectly fit but I'm actually almost a million. I'm super rich and am always successful with a perfect smile. But even when I'm smiling I'm always mysterious.

I'm looking for my lover, a pirate demon half-cyborg dragon vampire prince from the Matrix. My mother, an extra-dimensional, magic-wielding goddess, commanded her loyal hordes of evil mecha-piloting psychic Amazon cat-girls to kidnap him after I found out he wasn't really my half-brother as my mother had told me. To add to my woes, my incredibly cute and fluffy anime pet has amnesia, and has joined the ranks of "Lord Evilest Dark Evil Darkness", the most Evil and Dark being to grace the halls of Dark Evilness, who is so Evil and Dark he makes normal Dark and Evil things look like a cute and fluffy anime pet.

I have all powers of psionic, magic, martial arts, gun, dragon, organics, ninja, nanite, vampire, shapechange, ki, holy, unholy, mind reading, jaunts, robots, demon, luck, emotions, martial arts, time, pirate, space, portals, primal energy, and few other types that are just emerging. My powers are ten times stronger when I'm angry or sad. I never age and can't die. I am superstrong, perfectly agile, and tough enough to resist ubermantium. I can fly and bake cookies with my laser vision and am followed by my loyal swarms of flying rabid sea bass that teleport with venom bites.

I'm weak against supernovas, which burn, and cheese bagels, which go straight to my hips.

Sadly I can't remember where I originally got it from (some forum somwhere in the mists of web prehistory I expect), but I'm tempted to post it as my character desc any time I see people posting wanktastic characters without realising how sad they're being.

What makes this so hilarious is that it's not far off from what some people HONESTLY DO! Heh... thanks for the lulz. That was downright awesome.

[Darth Wong]

They don't roleplay, they just create characters around their own personality, which is somewhat infuriating.

Or more accurately, around their fantasies about what their own personalities are, which is why they don't have RPG characters which are chronically lonely, depressed, and anti-social.

[PeZook]

They don't roleplay, they just create characters around their own personality, which is somewhat infuriating.

Or more accurately, around their fantasies about what their own personalities are, which is why they don't have RPG characters which are chronically lonely, depressed, and anti-social.

Oh, the amount of those people I had to GM in my highschool days was just planin frustrating. I personally don't consider it bad to choose similar characters most of the time, since some people just feel comfortable playing a certain template. But some of them are just carbon-copies of each other, and god, they will do anything to avoid having negative qualities in their character sheets. In other words, they come to a session to whack off, rather than have fun with other people.

"Okay, now choose three flaws."

"Uh...he's got a scar on his cheek, never gives up and his penis is just too big."

[General Zod]

They don't roleplay, they just create characters around their own personality, which is somewhat infuriating.

Or more accurately, around their fantasies about what their own personalities are, which is why they don't have RPG characters which are chronically lonely, depressed, and anti-social.

Oh, the amount of those people I had to GM in my highschool days was just planin frustrating. I personally don't consider it bad to choose similar characters most of the time, since some people just feel comfortable playing a certain template. But some of them are just carbon-copies of each other, and god, they will do anything to avoid having negative qualities in their character sheets. In other words, they come to a session to whack off, rather than have fun with other people.

"Okay, now choose three flaws."

"Uh...he's got a scar on his cheek, never gives up and his penis is just too big."

See bolded part. It's always been a pet peeve of mine when people list things that they think are character flaws but wind up being played out as an actual character benefit. (Wouldn't it be more believable to have characters actually give up on something out of frustration from time to time?) It's as if they simply can't bring themselves to create a character that's actually believable and not perfect.

[MagnusTheReD]

...a pirate demon half-cyborg dragon vampire prince from the Matrix.

This is probably the worst part of it - I can live with the rest, although it doesn't make any sense at all, but this is just a contradiction in terms!

What the fuck is half-cyborg?
A cyborg, to the best of my knowledge, is a person who had parts of his body replaced by their mechanical/electronic counterparts for whatever reason, right?
So what's a half-cyborg?
What, the drunken surgeon was in the process of installing him a new kidney but fell asleep before he was able to plug it in, so the guy now has a really neat piece of plastic inside him which doesn't do anything?
Sounds like that joke where a girl tells her mother: "I think I'm a little pregnant"...

[Elfdart]

I'm starting to think jocks are justified in beating up twerps like this.

[Wyrm]

"Okay, now choose three flaws."

"Uh...he's got a scar on his cheek, never gives up and his penis is just too big."

"Aright. He's so butt-ugly he makes children cry, he's so stupidly obsessively compulsive that he will try running into a wall repeatedly until he runs into it in just the right way, and has a glass groin. Sound good to you? "

The player will either revise his character's flaws, leave, or really enjoy himself.

[Xess]

Or more accurately, around their fantasies about what their own personalities are, which is why they don't have RPG characters which are chronically lonely, depressed, and anti-social.

I do!:lol: I'm not that anti-social though. Nor lonely and depressed anymore either, but I do make characters that are horribly depressed.

[SilverWingedSeraph]

The Hellsing Organisation. More specifically, Alucard. Having an immortal and invincible body-guard certainly couldn't hurt.

[Stark]

Sorry, still self-identification. That's still the complete opposite of what 'role playing' should be.

Incidentally, this is why I much prefer tournament-style these days. People get given characters and play a one-shot, so they don't care as much (ie, whining) if they die, so it's much more natural. Anyone who would whine about not being able to construct their own ubercharacter in such a situation shouldn't be playing anyway, so fuck em. RP should not be about who can wank out their self-image more, or who LUVVVS the most lame videogame character or whatever. It should be about entertaining make-believe.

Let's face it, who hasn't had players spend HOURS poring over equipment lists or perks tables? Grow the fuck up and play the fucking game. Being min/maxed isn't necessary, thus only insecure people do it.

[SilverWingedSeraph]

The Hellsing Organisation. More specifically, Alucard. Having an immortal and invincible body-guard certainly couldn't hurt.

God damnit, I replied in the wrong damn thread. Epic fail, on my part.

[Xess]

Sorry, still self-identification. That's still the complete opposite of what 'role playing' should be.

Oh I know, I try much harder when being serious, I GM far more often than play though.

[Ender]

Something Awful had some fun with Roleplayers a while back

++http://www.somethingawful.co*/d/art-of- ... laying.php

good times

[PeZook]

Something Awful had some fun with Roleplayers a while back

++http://www.somethingawful.co*/d/art-of-warcraft/wonders-flagrsp-roleplaying.php

good times

Why the hell do you people break the link in two goddamned places? It's annoying.

Funny shit, though. Some of these backstories were just hilarious

Sorry, still self-identification. That's still the complete opposite of what 'role playing' should be.

The only thing role-playing "should" be is fun for everyone involved. Everyone being the key word - one munchkin with a poorly developed but min/maxed character can easily break a game for the rest of the group unless the GM tempers him early.

This is why I don't really have a problem with people making up characters which are expressions of who they would like to be. Of course, my tolerance only extends to actual interesting non-game breaking characters, but it may be because I'm older than twelve. The chief example of such characters is a cyberpunk group that all has 10 empathy, because taking implants lowers it, and they need a shitload of implants. It was fun for the group I GMed ten years ago, but now it's just irritating and I fight it at every turn.

[Stark]

Maybe I'm just mean, but I will never RP with idiot munchkins ever again. If someone wants to rape the engine (ie, the largely irrelevant part of the game) to make up for their emotional insecurity, great. They can fuck off and do it somewhere else: there are plenty of people (the vast majority of the RP market, let's face it) who think that's awesome fun. People who tell stories about trying to 'manage' some munchkin idiot should just kick them out or shut the fuck up. Ineffectual GMs are hilarious to watch, though: it's like domestic violence but nobody gets hurt.

[PeZook]

Maybe I'm just mean, but I will never RP with idiot munchkins ever again. If someone wants to rape the engine (ie, the largely irrelevant part of the game) to make up for their emotional insecurity, great. They can fuck off and do it somewhere else: there are plenty of people (the vast majority of the RP market, let's face it) who think that's awesome fun. People who tell stories about trying to 'manage' some munchkin idiot should just kick them out or shut the fuck up. Ineffectual GMs are hilarious to watch, though: it's like domestic violence but nobody gets hurt.

Yeah, I gave up on trying to manage munchkins a long time ago. It's too much work, and if you slip up just once, he'll harp on it and ruin the game for everyone else. It's like you have a player with special needs who needs to be constantly reminded how awesomely game-breaking his character is - so much that the GM has to constantly pay attention to what he does!

[Stark]

That's exactly what it's like, and since I'm an adult and more interested in storytelling than 'zomg teh crits lolololol' my tolerance for table spotters, rules lawyers and insecure players is extremely low. Then again, any system that can easily be broken by a player is shit and shouldn't be used - just like in other games, if it's within the rules but ruins the game, don't blame the player - blame the designer.

Of course, the most awesome thing about min/maxers is after making their ridiculous fanfic backstory, they will totally ignore it (beyond 'it says here I can summon dragons'). Likes helping those in need? Only when it seems like a good idea! Fights evil in all it's forms? Not if it looks too dangerous! Protect the downtrodden? But there's a despotic army next door! How anyone can call this sort of thing 'role playing' is beyond me - unless the role is 'snivelling coward', of course. But that's what munchkins really are anyway!

[SirNitram]

Wow. These guys read like the characters people I knew doing Pen And Paper when I was thirteen or so.

I'll happily admit to being sufficient geek-tastic that I still roleplay, but I can rest assured I stand above this level of silly.

[Starglider]

If someone wants to rape the engine (ie, the largely irrelevant part of the game) to make up for their emotional insecurity, great. They can fuck off and do it somewhere else: there are plenty of people (the vast majority of the RP market, let's face it) who think that's awesome fun.

If you don't think it can be awesome fun, take a look at this (or if you don't have a few hours spare, this). I challenge anyone familiar with 1st edition AD&D to read those through without breaking down in laughter. But it's certainly not roleplaying, in any sense of the word - it's a curious cojoinment of wish fulfilment and maliciously applied statistics.

[PeZook]

You can't just take a game that requires weeks to learn and years to master, and expect "normal" people to pick it all up in the 2-hour running time of a movie.

The above quote just blasted me off my feet

[Stark]

If you don't think it can be awesome fun, take a look at this (or if you don't have a few hours spare, this). I challenge anyone familiar with 1st edition AD&D to read those through without breaking down in laughter. But it's certainly not roleplaying, in any sense of the word - it's a curious cojoinment of wish fulfilment and maliciously applied statistics.

Oh breaking dodgey systems can be hilarious, but it's hardly the path to group RP happiness or successful storytelling.

[The Cooler King]

Hell, I used to be one of the abovementioned player types, many years ago. I created uber-invincible characters, bent (and sometimes broke) rules, lorded my power over everyone else... basically, I was an insufferable asshole. I stopped when I started GMing, and really started to see what was pissing all of my GMs off. It's why I tolerate bad players, at least to an extent. I try to nudge them away from their bad habits and towards good roleplaying. I'm not always successful, but the times that it works make it worth it.