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Evangelists Challenge Atheists to Bible-Less Debate

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Seems somebody has a death wish
The Christian Post wrote:NEW YORK – A prominent Christian best-selling author is asserting that he can prove the existence of God without using the Bible, and has challenged two atheists to a debate.

Ray Comfort, author of God Doesn't Believe in Atheists, alongside fellow Christian and actor Kirk Cameron (Growing Pains) will butt heads with two ardent nonbelievers using only scientific fact in a debate sponsored by ABC. Comfort says that the evidence will “absolutely” confirm that there is a God, and he will not speak about his faith.

"Most people equate atheism with intellectualism," explained Comfort in a statement, "but it's actually an intellectual embarrassment. I am amazed at how many people think that God's existence is a matter of faith. It's not, and I will prove it at the debate – once and for all. This is not a joke. I will present undeniable scientific proof that God exists.”

The debate is in reaction to the “Blasphemy Challenge” that started late in 2006. The two creators of the movement encouraged all people to tape themselves with a short message that will “damn themselves to hell.” Participants must recite the line "I deny the Holy Spirit,” and then upload their video onto YouTube.

Comfort and Cameron felt that these two would be some of the most difficult people to convince that God does indeed exist, so contacted them about having a discussion.

ABC has said that they will film the debate, which will take place on May 5 in New York City, and will stream it live on their website as well as use footage for their program Nightline. Martin Bashir, co-anchor of Nightline, will moderate the event.

Cameron will use the event to also speak out against evolution, which he thinks is not credible and a major contributor to the growth in atheism.

"Evolution is unscientific. In reality, it is a blind faith that's preached with religious zeal as the gospel truth. I'm embarrassed to admit that I was once a naïve believer in the theory,” said the former television star in a statement. “Atheism has become very popular in universities – where it's taught that we evolved from animals and that there are no moral absolutes. So we shouldn't be surprised when there are school shootings.”

Comfort felt impelled to hold the debate, because he is worried about the state of Christianity around the world, especially in Europe. According to a Zukerman study, in Sweden as many as 85 percent of the population are non-believers; Japan has 65 percent; France with 54 percent; and 44 percent of British citizens do not believe in God.

The Christian writer also noted that there is a genuine attack against Christian beliefs, more than other religions.

"[T]here is something more sinister here than a few people not believing in God,” concluded the author. “Why would so many be so bitter against Christianity in particular? Why aren't they making videos that blaspheme Buddha or Mohammed or Ghandi? We made our own video clip and posted it on www.Hollywoodblasphemy.com to expose why."

Comfort has spoken at several atheist events, one in which he was a platform speaker at the 2001 convention for the American Atheists, Inc.
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Because challenging evolution will, of course, prove that God exists. :roll:

And since he claims that he was a "beleiver" in evolution, that obviously proves that it is "dogmatic" and "unscientific" instead of being based on evidence, right?

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I predict piles of lies and strawmen. Not like that requires much thought to realize that...

I would have loved to hear how evolution is unscientific but since I've heard those kind of arguments before, I'm unimpressed.
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Some dumbshit wrote:“Atheism has become very popular in universities – where it's taught that we evolved from animals and that there are no moral absolutes. So we shouldn't be surprised when there are school shootings.”
Atheism = violence? I suppose that explains the Crusades then, the Pope at the time was clearly an atheist! Oh, wait. . .
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General Zod wrote:
Some dumbshit wrote:“Atheism has become very popular in universities – where it's taught that we evolved from animals and that there are no moral absolutes. So we shouldn't be surprised when there are school shootings.”
Atheism = violence? I suppose that explains the Crusades then, the Pope at the time was clearly an atheist! Oh, wait. . .
You misunderstand. Atheism doesn't equal violence. It just leads to a morally bankrupt society that's more hospitable to violence. I mean, look at the typical American university. its basically awash with gun deaths!
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Who wants to bet they'll choose random or obscure nonbelievers so they can trash them with pseudo-scientific arguments. I'd bet money they'd never choose someone like Richard Dawkins. Hell, if a bozo like me feels confident against Kirk "The fuckfaced banana-guy" Cameron, what chance would they have against a truly experienced debater?
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Again, this is only posturing to reassure themselves of their own ignorance. Anyone who really is interested in a debate, would have it done as a written exchange overlooked by peer review instead.
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Jack Bauer wrote:
General Zod wrote:Atheism = violence? I suppose that explains the Crusades then, the Pope at the time was clearly an atheist! Oh, wait. . .
You misunderstand. Atheism doesn't equal violence. It just leads to a morally bankrupt society that's more hospitable to violence. I mean, look at the typical American university. its basically awash with gun deaths!
It's both. Guaranteed he'll point to Hitler (not a Catholic!), Stalin (not an Orthodox Christian!), Mao (False Cause) and Pol Pot (ditto). They couldn't come up with an original argument to save their lives.
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WTF does school shootings have to do with evolution? :wtf: It is not like we just look at evolution and say that shooting people is right. :roll:
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A lot of fundies assume atheists accept social Darwinism and other screwed up concepts because we don't believe in a benevolent sky pixie and the 10 Commandments.
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How the hell are they going to give scientific proof of god exsisting? :roll: They would have a better chance against athiests if they just said science is a creation of satan. :lol:
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They can't prove God or any deity without resorting to specious claims of seeing "Him" in poetry or in a sunrise, or some dodgy syllogism that amounts of circular logic.
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Just watch they will have two morons representing the athiests or unknowlegeable about science in general. :roll:
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Meh. When they've the balls for a written debate, citing peer-reviewed papers and similar things(After all, they claim it's 'scientific proof of God!'), with a time limit, then alert me. This is just more attention-whoring.
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If it's recorded it'll be on YouTube soon enough. I doubt you'll get much eye opening debate from this. It's about as fresh as year old bullshit and twice as appealing.

It may be worth a laugh at... out of despair.
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Lord Zentei wrote:Because challenging evolution will, of course, prove that God exists. :roll:
Didn't you know? When science fails to explain something, God is the default answer! :wink:
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:...this is only posturing to reassure themselves...
And, there you have the core impetus of fundie bahavior.
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So, are they going to submit the banana or the jar of peanut butter as the "undeniable scientific proof that God exists" in this debate?
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The people on FSTDT made a clever bingo card for this.

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I'd love to watch, but I'm taking the SAT that day.

No, scratch that. I wouldn't really love to watch. I'd hang my head in despair if I watched that.
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Can someone explain the Penut butter argument to me? I've missed that one.
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Crossroads Inc. wrote:Can someone explain the Penut butter argument to me? I've missed that one.
It's a lampoon of the banana argument. Of course the banana was intelligently designed- it was created by humans with centuries of selective breeding. It proves God about as much as a jar of peanut butter would.
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Darth Raptor wrote:
Crossroads Inc. wrote:Can someone explain the Penut butter argument to me? I've missed that one.
It's a lampoon of the banana argument. Of course the banana was intelligently designed- it was created by humans with centuries of selective breeding. It proves God about as much as a jar of peanut butter would.
Beg pardon, but it's not. It's another stupid evolution=abiogenesis argument compounded with a complete misunderstanding of current theories of abiogenesis. Thread of relevance.
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Feil wrote:Beg pardon, but it's not. It's another stupid evolution=abiogenesis argument compounded with a complete misunderstanding of current theories of abiogenesis. Thread of relevance.
Ah, my mistake. It was the soda can that was used as a counter to the banana argument.
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When will we learn that giving crazy people credibility doesn't help...
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