VenomFangX

[Ritterin Sophia]

I'm sure many of you remember this dickless little dweeb, you know the 'Proof Evolution is an Evil Lie From Satan' video on YouTube, yep his.

Well recently he sent me a message after I commented on someone elses video.

"So I suppose you have another explanation that doesn't require magic? Oh I know, 'It was God!' Bzzzzt. Where did he come from? According to Creationists everything needs to come from something, so where did God come from?" -you

Easy. Surely you can appreciate the difference between infinite, and eternal. Time may very well be infinite, but it can not be eternal. I will explain why.

Eternal means without beginning, and without end. The implications of something being eternal is; it has always existed, and always will exist.

Infinite means with beginning, but without end. The implications of something being infinite is; it began to exist, and then continues for infinity without end.

Time can be infinite, but it can not be eternal, because time must have had a beginning, according to all forms of logic. We can go into this in depth if you wish.

However, claiming God is infinite, but not eternal, is both heresy and illogical. The God of The Bible claims to be Eternal, without beginning or end. You asked where did God come from? Who created God?

To be able to create something, you must exist inside of time. The act of creating itself is an act of time; something doesn't exist, time passes, then it does.

You are placing God within time, yet God exists outside of time. Time is a creation of God's, and He is not restricted by it. Infact, you could say God exists without time, to be more accurate. Time is the measure of change, so that means God can not change, because He exists outside of time. This also means God can not be created, because creation is the result of time. If God exists outside of time, that means He always has existed, and always will exist. He is eternal, because timelessness dictates that no change is possible.

However, scientists agree that before this universe, there was nothing. No matter, no time, no space. So the only way for 'something' to happen from a changless, timeless reality, is for something to exist that is an uncaused cause, an unmovable mover, a creationless creator.

God, never changing, always existing, created everything. There is no 'before' God, for God is the very Creator of the fabric of existence. I hope this answers your question.

Let's all marvel at his semantics whoring, and his misrepresentation of science.

[Starglider]

Let's all marvel at his semantics whoring, and his misrepresentation of science.

Philosophers and theologians alike delight in these meaningless word games, which prove nothing and solve nothing. If you actually try and make these definitions concrete, you get... transfinite mathematics, a fascinating and worthwhile field that this breed of idiot has no clue about (and probably doesn't even realise exists). Fundie morons should not throw around terms like 'infinite' and 'eternal' without some appreciation of exactly what they are invoking. Of course they do, constantly, which just makes them look even more foolish.

[Starglider]

Forgot to note the obvious; most logic systems do not have a notion of time or space, they merely have causality. Remove causality and all you have are arbitrary constraints selecting from the set of all possible things, on which anything as elaborately idiotic as the average religion instantly loses due to generalised Kolmogorov (Occam's razor formalised in probability theory).

Graham's number is far beyond my ability to grasp. I can describe it, but I cannot properly appreciate it. This number is far larger than most people's conception of infinity. I know that it was larger than mine. My sense of awe when I first encountered this number was beyond words. It was the sense of looking upon something so much larger than the world inside my head that my conception of the Universe was shattered and rebuilt to fit... Encoded in the decimal digits of that number, by almost any encoding scheme one cares to name, are all the works ever written by the human hand, and all the works that could have been written, at a hundred thousand words per minute, over the age of the Universe raised to its own power a thousand times. And yet, if we add up all the base-ten digits the result will be divisible by nine. The number is still a finite positive integer. It may contain Universes unimaginably larger than this one, but it is still only a number. It is a number so small that the algorithm to produce it can be held in a single human mind... All theologians should face a number like that, so they can properly appreciate what they invoke by talking about the "infinite" intelligence of God.

[Surlethe]

His logic is so circular it leaves my head spinning.

[DPDarkPrimus]

Make a video response to that. Tear it apart, piece by piece.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Make a video response to that. Tear it apart, piece by piece.

No camera, or I would, anyone else want to take up the task for me?

[Molyneux]

He misuses the definition of 'infinite'...and attempts to claim 'eternity' as a mathematical construct...all in the first sentence of that drivel. This man (if he can be termed such) is sad and strange, and merits further study...preferably under glass.

[Ritterin Sophia]

I do believe he is a dumbass!

[http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=VenomFangX]Further observation material.[/url]

[Jericho Kross]

Tell him to come here. Let us tear him apart limb by limb[no need to take all the fun].

[Dooey Jo]

I do believe he is a dumbass!

Jeeeesie Chrissy, talk about defining things into existence. Not only is he defining his god into existence, he's defining the universe itself! Not to mention re-defining infinity and eternity. Someone ought to ask him whether the set of real numbers are infinite or eternal, and if they are infinite, where they start... His way of proving that his defined god is the Christian god is just hilarious.

I think I'll use his argument to define an infinite amount of gold that will last for an eternity (no wait, by his definition, that "last an eternity" statement must be meaningless, since it can have a beginning) under my bed. Oh snap, the universe didn't give a shit about how I told it to behave...

[Walsh]

I do believe he is a dumbass!

[http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=VenomFangX]Further observation material.[/url]

Oh fuck me. Read the comments for that video, guys, they make me cry inside.

[Dooey Jo]

Well, that little bit of comedic logic inspired me to start what I've intended to do a long time...

Namely this

[Resinence]

Well, that little bit of comedic logic inspired me to start what I've intended to do a long time...

Namely this

That is a thing of beauty.
Bravo.

[Gil Hamilton]

His logic is trippy, to be sure. First he argues that God exists out of time. Then he argues that in order for anything to be created, it must exist in time. Finally, he tops it off about going on how about God created everything, including time. Spot the contradiction there.

I honestly don't get it. If you are going to argue that God defies all logic and rules and science, then why the fuck do you bother trying to make a logical proof? Making a logical proof deriving the existence of God necessitates that God is subject to logic. It doesn't make you look more credible, it makes you look like a jackass.

[Dooey Jo]

Can we be really sure this guy is for real? He actually says this, you know:

How can I prove that, just from what we're talking about here, without using the Bible, that the Christian god is the true and living god?

Well, surely, the god that gave you eyes is the god that sees. Surely the god that gave you ears is the god that hears. And surely the god that gave you a sense of morality is moral himself.

So. That sounds a lot like the Christian god. And if you don't know about the Christian god, pick up the Bible and start reading.

So if you still believe that you are the result of blind chance [snipblablah]... umm... you have more faith than I do.

He said he wasn't going to use the Bible, and then immediately goes on to use information from the Bible. Not to mention that "god must have eyes, ears and be moral - clearly the Christian god" thing. Obviously it cannot be, for instance, Odin, for although he has ears and is pretty moral, he only has one eye and cannot see very well. I mean, if Odin created us, he would have given us only one eye and two pet ravens each to send out for reconnaissance. Obviously.

Can a person of this level of ignorance and bizarre logic really operate a webcam?

His logic is trippy, to be sure. First he argues that God exists out of time. Then he argues that in order for anything to be created, it must exist in time. Finally, he tops it off about going on how about God created everything, including time. Spot the contradiction there.

But dude! He drew a creation line! Don't you see? That's pure logic right there...

That is a thing of beauty.
Bravo.

[The Spartan]

Once, when I was a fundietard, I posed the question, "How do you define something that is, by definition, indefinable." Now, aside from the obvious problems with that sentence, there's the very simple answer that occured to me at some point after my de-conversion: Out of existance.

This just made me think of that.