Gungans VS Borg

[TithonusSyndrome]

Semi-silly thread inspired by the "Federation vs Separatists" thread.

Same ol' same ol' wormhole hijinks open up in between Naboo and her moon circa before the Clone Wars, and somewhere in Borg space. Assume the Naboo humans are mysteriously absent and that for the most part that neither the Separatists nor the Republic or any other SW power outside of the Gungans themselves take an interest in the Borg invaders unless they suceed in overtaking the Gungans and expanding beyond Naboo.

Discuss.

[HSRTG]

I hope the Borg cutting, and tractor beams can penetrate a hundred plus feet of water. If not, the Gungans can basically ignore them. If the Borg can bring the Gungan underwater cities to their ships, then things get interesting.

The Gungans have little to worry about HtH, at least until their energy balls run out. At that point, they'll be down to spears. Granted, they're apparently electrified spears which can put down battledroids (IIRC), but at least the Borg'll have a fighting chance then.


On a more silly note:

*contemplates Borgified Gungans being killed by free ones*

You know, this is win-win scenario. I can't imagine a way for the audience to lose.

[General Zod]

Can Borg swim?

[TithonusSyndrome]

The Gungans have little to worry about HtH, at least until their energy balls run out. At that point, they'll be down to spears. Granted, they're apparently electrified spears which can put down battledroids (IIRC), but at least the Borg'll have a fighting chance then.

If Klingons can rumble with Borg using their goddamn bat'leths, then I'm pretty sure that the more nimble Gungans and their electrified spears will be able to remain well out of reach of the nanoprobes.

[Starglider]

I suspect the answer would be 'that species is not worthy of assimilation'. If the Borg wanted to planetkill a human-free Naboo they could, by dropping dinosaur-killer sized asteroids if nothing else, but why would they bother?

[TithonusSyndrome]

The Gungans have colonized Naboo's moon at this point in the wormhole's opening, so they obviously have ships and slinging asteroids at Naboo won't cut it.

[Starglider]

The Gungans have colonized Naboo's moon at this point in the wormhole's opening, so they obviously have ships and slinging asteroids at Naboo won't cut it.

You're seriously saying that the Gungans have space superiority over a fleet of thousands of borg cubes? It's possible, if they have a few corvette class ships, but I'm not aware of any evidence that they have armed spacecraft. If they do then the Borg ships will just get blown to pieces as they emerge from the wormhole, once the Gungans realise the threat.

The usual rules apply; whoever has space superiority can trash the planet at their leisure, unless the later has planetary shields, which AFAIK Naboo doesn't. Ground combat is only a factor if the Borg objective is to capture the Gungans alive (and maybe examples of their tech intact). I doubt they would bother trying, unless you're looking at this in the scope of a wider versus. Maybe they would in an attempt to get a beachhead in SW space, but in that case they're all going to die very shortly after the local fleet elements notice something strange going on.

[Teleros]

The borg wouldn't bother trying to capture Gungan technology? That's a little unusual for the Borg, wouldn't you say ?

As for the ships required, well given how the Slave-I measures up to the Ent-D, I'm sure the Gungans won't have much of a problem trashing Borg cubes . Remember too that the Borg are attacking Naboo, so the Gungans can refuel and whatnot relatively easily.

[General Zod]

The borg wouldn't bother trying to capture Gungan technology? That's a little unusual for the Borg, wouldn't you say ?

As for the ships required, well given how the Slave-I measures up to the Ent-D, I'm sure the Gungans won't have much of a problem trashing Borg cubes . Remember too that the Borg are attacking Naboo, so the Gungans can refuel and whatnot relatively easily.

The vast majority of Gungan society is also far under water, so the Borg will be hard pressed to get their cutting lasers and such within reach.

[Batman]

The Gungans have colonized Naboo's moon at this point in the wormhole's opening, so they obviously have ships and slinging asteroids at Naboo won't cut it.

You're seriously saying that the Gungans have space superiority over a fleet of thousands of borg cubes?

No he isn't. He's saying that given that at that point the Gungans ARE spacegoing, they likely have the means to intercept a few asteroids thrown their way. If the Borg have space superiority to the extent you assume why would they bother with the asteroid gambit to begin with?

The usual rules apply; whoever has space superiority can trash the planet at their leisure, unless the later has planetary shields, which AFAIK Naboo doesn't.

The Gungans DO however live at the bottom of the oceans in cities that ARE definitely shielded, so while the Borg likely have the firepower to trash the surface, wether they can bother (or even REACH) the Gungan cities is up for grabs. And if there's by then Gungan cities on the surface, chances are, they have theater shields, too.
The colonized moon the Borg likely CAN attack but again, as the Gungans have Wars level shields, fat lot of good it will do them.

Ground combat is only a factor if the Borg objective is to capture the Gungans alive (and maybe examples of their tech intact).

Which is their default approach. 'We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own.'

[Starglider]

The borg wouldn't bother trying to capture Gungan technology? That's a little unusual for the Borg, wouldn't you say ?

They wrote off Nelix's race as worthless. They might be interested in Gungan forcefield technology, if they realise that it's more advanced than their own (which it may or may not be). Presumably they won't see the blue globe explosives until they actually start a ground invasion, which they may or may not have the means to do. Voyager fired torpedoes into water that deep successfully, and the Delta Flyer made it to much greater depths with the possibility to modify Voyager to do the same noted, so I'd guess that the Borg can in principle make ships/tech that works fine underwater. Whether they actually would or not I don't know; the Borg don't exactly have a reputation for creativity. Their arrogance would probably cause them to conclude 'unworthy of assimilation' even if the actual verdict is 'more trouble than its worth'.

As for the ships required, well given how the Slave-I measures up to the Ent-D, I'm sure the Gungans won't have much of a problem trashing Borg cubes .

Thousands of borg cubes intent on destroying the planet is a rather different proposition; not only are they rather more powerful, you have to stop all of them at once. Decent turbolasers will probably get one shot kills, so a handful of CR90 type ships should be able to hold them off. Fighters (unless present in huge numbers) would probably be overwhelmed. The Naboo humans only seemed to have a handful of fighters; it's possible that there were more ships (including Gungan ships) that didn't make it to the fight or that we didn't see in action, but that's baseless speculation unless you have a source.

[Teleros]

They wrote off Nelix's race as worthless. They might be interested in Gungan forcefield technology, if they realise that it's more advanced than their own (which it may or may not be).

Star Wars societies have power generators etc that are FAR in advance of ST versions: the Borg will want stuff like that. Communications, hyperdrive etc too.

Thousands of borg cubes intent on destroying the planet is a rather different proposition; not only are they rather more powerful, you have to stop all of them at once.

Well we know the Borg are going to need to close with the planet / moon first. That gives ships with firepower like the Slave-I plenty of time to zip around blowing holes in Borg ships (and possibly, if not probably, at greater ranges than return fire). Maybe they won't get them all, but they'll certainly reduce the numbers when the Borg come to invade.

Fighters (unless present in huge numbers) would probably be overwhelmed.

The Slave-I is more powerful than a mere fighter - have a peek at Mike's "SW v ST in 5 minutes" section - it can nail the Ent-D in no time based on those figures. The ICS reports that the Slave-I design was effectively a police ship IIRC, so I don't think it's too unreasonable to assume that a militaristic culture like the Gungan one, having just seen off the Trade Federation and with anarchy spreading in the Republic, would want similar vessels.

The Naboo humans only seemed to have a handful of fighters

As per the OP, they're mysteriously absent.

[Batman]

Under the right circumstances, Wars fighters are a threat to Wars capital ships. Granted they need considerable numbers and/or capship support but they can do it. What they would do to Borg ships that fall to Trek vessels doesn't bear thinking about.
Hell we don't even know the Borg can HIT Wars fighters.

[dragon]

Under the right circumstances, Wars fighters are a threat to Wars capital ships. Granted they need considerable numbers and/or capship support but they can do it. What they would do to Borg ships that fall to Trek vessels doesn't bear thinking about.
Hell we don't even know the Borg can HIT Wars fighters.

It seems like they should be able to after all they are not using human reflexes to hit the ships but instead should be using their computers, or whatever it is. But then this is Star Trek that seems to like to use normal people to push the buttons instead of letting the computer lock and fire.

[harbringer]

Hmmn there are a few problems here, not least that the gungans likely out firepower on the ground at least the borg.....

Assuming that the borg are restricted to a ground invasion they lose. If they intend bombardsing the planet they will probably lose, the gungans have sheilded cities under millions of tonnes of water and the technology to at least build mobile theater shielding and submersibles. There is in fact nothing to suggest they are backwards tech speaking and just culturally prefer simpler weapons and equipment (this actually might make them easy to field and support in the field) verpine slug weapons would be another example if admissable of such cultural bias. There is in fact - other than we didnt see them - nothing to prevent them having ships or producing them, they must have at least the technology to do so to some extent. On the same token if all humans find them as annoying as I do then maybe the borg will have help.

[Teleros]

It seems like they should be able to after all they are not using human reflexes to hit the ships but instead should be using their computers, or whatever it is.

Which just shows off their shoddy targeting computers .

[TithonusSyndrome]

On the same token if all humans find them as annoying as I do then maybe the borg will have help.

What Gungans other than Jar Jar Binks were as asinine and irritating as he? I thought Roos Tarpals was a likeable enough character.

[NecronLord]

It's true. Jar Jar was annoying. He also annoyed the other Gungans as much as the audience, they banished him after all. The Brian Blessed character was a little annoying; but that's par for the course, being a Brian Blessed character.

[Cao Cao]

They wrote off Nelix's race as worthless.

No they didn't. They said the Kazon were worthless. Well. Seven said that. She also said that Neelix's people made "excellent drones".
Where do you get this thousands of cubes vs. one planet anyway? The Borg have always fielding a few dozen cubes at the most. Yes, I know what President Dugan said, but he might've been exagerrating.

[seanrobertson]

They wrote off Nelix's race as worthless.

No they didn't. They said the Kazon were worthless. Well. Seven said that. She also said that Neelix's people made "excellent drones".

Yep: tactical drones, at that

Where do you get this thousands of cubes vs. one planet anyway? The Borg have always fielding a few dozen cubes at the most. Yes, I know what President Dugan said, but he might've been exagerrating.

Without evidence to suggest he was exaggerating, I'd tend to believe Arturis. But I'm just as sure the Borg wouldn't send hundreds of ships to Naboo -- not off-the-bat.

[darthbob88]

I'm not especially knowledgeable about the Borg, but I assume "tactical drones" == "cannon fodder"?

[Master_Baerne]

Can the Borg pass through the big shimmery shield thing the Gungans have? If not, any ground battles are a bit of a foregone conclusion.

[Teleros]

I would've thought so: those fields didn't seem to do anything nasty to the ground - I'd guess their resistance depends on the velocity of the object trying to pass through.

[Batman]

Does it matter if the Borg get mowed down in droves by ranged weapons inside or outside of the shield?

[harbringer]

Star Wars shields are impermiable to unprotected organic matter due to a heat transfer effect this is the reason clone tropers got armour so they like droids could cross a sheild interface. Some jedi can do it but it requires them to sense a weak point and move at just the right speed to pass through, thus it might be very specific what you must do to pass through unprotected. Needless to say I doubt borg can do it.