Rebutting Darkstar's Arrow Claim

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-01-06 09:31am

It's unclear whether he's dead or not. He definitely falls, but it can be the force of the blow if the arrow didn't penetrate all the way...

I don't see a problem. No matter how strong a material, maybe it's woven like some sort of kevlar mesh or whatever, and some piercing attacks may go thru it (not necessarily bladed weapons). That, and the fact that this is supposed to be extremely light armor (not Stormtrooper armor).

Yes, there's only ONE arrow (that makes DarkStar wrong in any case). Was this thread just about the second arrow then? Yeah, it means that DarkStar is clearly delusional and seeing what he wants to see.

I wonder what Mike's opinion about the arrow is...

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-06 10:10am

Slartibartfast wrote:It's unclear whether he's dead or not. He definitely falls, but it can be the force of the blow if the arrow didn't penetrate all the way...

It doesn't look like a fall. It looks like a duck.

I don't see a problem. No matter how strong a material, maybe it's woven like some sort of kevlar mesh or whatever, and some piercing attacks may go thru it (not necessarily bladed weapons). That, and the fact that this is supposed to be extremely light armor (not Stormtrooper armor).

Yes, there's only ONE arrow (that makes DarkStar wrong in any case). Was this thread just about the second arrow then? Yeah, it means that DarkStar is clearly delusional and seeing what he wants to see.

I wonder what Mike's opinion about the arrow is...

We seen an arrow bounce off a scout trooper shoulder pauldron. The whole thing is much-ado about nothing. Darkstar deploys blurry, washed out visuals where you can't discern anything, and a frigging costume goof (cracked shoulder pauldron on stormie in one scene) to argue that stormtrooper armor is no good. It's his typical bullshit.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-01-06 08:46pm

I can see the arrow that Darkstar has highlighted

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-01-06 09:08pm

Vympel wrote:We seen an arrow bounce off a scout trooper shoulder pauldron. The whole thing is much-ado about nothing. Darkstar deploys blurry, washed out visuals where you can't discern anything, and a frigging costume goof (cracked shoulder pauldron on stormie in one scene) to argue that stormtrooper armor is no good. It's his typical bullshit.

That's so stupid I laughed my ass off when I saw it. And I have a LOT of ass.

DipShit must think stormtroopers are born into their armor, and they don't actually put it on. You can see the calf armor strain at the seams when the stormtroopers run at the beginning of ANH, when they chase the Rebs down the T4 hallways.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-06 09:40pm

Gandalf wrote:I can see the arrow that Darkstar has highlighted

Yes, but what you can't see is where it penetrated.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-01-06 09:53pm

Sorry bout that, I thought people were going nuts due to lack of an arrow

Northern Huntsman · Post by **Northern Huntsman** » 2003-01-06 09:59pm

Vympel wrote:
We seen an arrow bounce off a scout trooper shoulder pauldron. The whole thing is much-ado about nothing. Darkstar deploys blurry, washed out visuals where you can't discern anything, and a frigging costume goof (cracked shoulder pauldron on stormie in one scene) to argue that stormtrooper armor is no good. It's his typical bullshit.

How is a costume goof any different from a SFX goof, or a dialogue goof or any other goof for that matter in the course of a audio-visual media such as a movie or tv series? Memories serves, visuals are greater canon than dialogue in this place, or am I mistaken?

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-01-06 10:11pm

I always thought dialogue took precedence

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-06 10:21pm

Northern Huntsman wrote:
How is a costume goof any different from a SFX goof, or a dialogue goof or any other goof for that matter in the course of a audio-visual media such as a movie or tv series? Memories serves, visuals are greater canon than dialogue in this place, or am I mistaken?

In ROTJ there was a costume error that had all Imperials as the same rank contrary to the rest of the films. Is that canon?

Now TIEs can cloak, because we saw a shadow of a 4th tie when 3 were shown.

And because we see some weird reflection when Han is running out of the bunker, that could be a personel shield the crew is wearing. Chewie is a cyborg because when he picks up threepios head in ESB, you see a reflection of what looks like a camera and for some weird reason a boom mike shown.

Wars medical equipment is so good that it can function when it is not hooked up, like how it was backwards on Vader's chest in ANH.

And lightsabres have a solid metal core to them that appears out of no where like we saw in Kenobi's during the DS fight.

Plus our Corellian corvettes can change size in mid flight, so they will just shrink out of the way everytime Trek tries to target them.

And now Warp drive is impossible without somekind of strange string like material shooting off the ship like in TOS.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-06 10:34pm

String-like material?

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-06 10:40pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:String-like material?

The strings holding the ship up

Northern Huntsman · Post by **Northern Huntsman** » 2003-01-06 10:40pm

Vympel wrote:
Northern Huntsman wrote:
How is a costume goof any different from a SFX goof, or a dialogue goof or any other goof for that matter in the course of a audio-visual media such as a movie or tv series? Memories serves, visuals are greater canon than dialogue in this place, or am I mistaken?
In ROTJ there was a costume error that had all Imperials as the same rank contrary to the rest of the films. Is that canon?

Now TIEs can cloak, because we saw a shadow of a 4th tie when 3 were shown.

And because we see some weird reflection when Han is running out of the bunker, that could be a personel shield the crew is wearing. Chewie is a cyborg because when he picks up threepios head in ESB, you see a reflection of what looks like a camera and for some weird reason a boom mike shown.

Wars medical equipment is so good that it can function when it is not hooked up, like how it was backwards on Vader's chest in ANH.

And lightsabres have a solid metal core to them that appears out of no where like we saw in Kenobi's during the DS fight.

Plus our Corellian corvettes can change size in mid flight, so they will just shrink out of the way everytime Trek tries to target them.

And now Warp drive is impossible without somekind of strange string like material shooting off the ship like in TOS.

Oh, I'm not debating the more "incredible" problems, I'm just debating the lesser problems. There must be a point at which things are viewed as canon and not as they "should be", or else one could simply rewrite Imperial Tactics and Firepower, or even Trek Tactics and Firepower how they see fit.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-06 10:45pm

Vympel wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:String-like material?
The strings holding the ship up

Except there were no strings.

The Enterprise model was mounted to a rod from the bottom of the engineering hull.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-06 10:51pm

Northern Huntsman wrote: Oh, I'm not debating the more "incredible" problems, I'm just debating the lesser problems. There must be a point at which things are viewed as canon and not as they "should be", or else one could simply rewrite Imperial Tactics and Firepower, or even Trek Tactics and Firepower how they see fit.

Just joking around really. If you look hard you notice that the shoulder pauldron has a crack for like 1 second. I don't see how it's any different from a buggered up costume. We know that those costumes are really only made from plastic, just like the rocks the Ewoks are throwing at them from above in one scene.

How far do we take it?

Except there were no strings.

The Enterprise model was mounted to a rod from the bottom of the engineering hull.

Oh pish pish

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-06 10:55pm

It's pish posh.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-06 11:00pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:It's pish posh.

Really? Oh ok.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-01-07 10:25am

Damn guys, are you really that blind? Didn't you notice the severed trooper head flying out as it was struck by the arrow?

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-07 11:26am

Slartibartfast wrote:Damn guys, are you really that blind? Didn't you notice the severed trooper head flying out as it was struck by the arrow?

*backs away slowly*

whisper to fellow warsies "he has been taken, burn him"

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-01-07 11:31am

Vympel wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:Damn guys, are you really that blind? Didn't you notice the severed trooper head flying out as it was struck by the arrow?

*backs away slowly*

whisper to fellow warsies "he has been taken, burn him"

*Douses Slartibartfast in petroleum.*

Do you repent of your sins?

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-01-07 02:20pm

The burden of proof is on you to prove that I'm not immune to fire! HA HA!
Wait... what are you doing... no, stop...!

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-01-07 03:27pm

*Takes out box of matches*

OK...

I shall preform an experiment to test my hypothesis...

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-07 03:44pm

Matches?!

Use this..

*Hand Necronlord a blowtorch.*

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-01-07 04:41pm

Or this!
*Hands Necron a white Phosphorus Grenade*

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-01-07 05:12pm

*grabs an Ewok bow and begins severing heads*

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-01-07 09:04pm

The problem with Darkstar's evidence is that he's altered it. Look at the video clip that Slarti posted... immediately in the background of the trooper that was "hit" by an arrow, we see a bush waving back and forth. Its branches are pointed upwards. In single screen caps, the arrow gets lost among the background branches. Darkstar obviously noticed that, and then made an arbitrary red line coming from the trooper's back. Since the red line dominates the view, he has, effectively, deleted the arrow from view.