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"Disabled" Athlete Aiming for the Olympics

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From the New York Times:
MANCHESTER, England, May 14 — As Oscar Pistorius of South Africa crouched in the starting blocks for the 200 meters on Sunday, the small crowd turned its attention to the sprinter who calls himself the fastest man on no legs.

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Pistorius, left, won the 200-meter race at the Paralympic World Cup. He wants to compete in the 2008 Olympics.
Pistorius wants to be the first amputee runner to compete in the Olympics. But despite his ascendance, he is facing resistance from track and field’s world governing body, which is seeking to bar him on the grounds that the technology of his prosthetics may give him an unfair advantage over sprinters using their natural legs.

His first strides were choppy Sunday, a necessary accommodation to sprinting on a pair of j-shaped blades made of carbon fiber and known as Cheetahs. Pistorius was born without the fibula in his lower legs and with other defects in his feet. He had both legs amputated below the knee when he was 11 months old. At 20, his coach says, he is like a five-speed engine with no second gear.

Yet Pistorius is also a searing talent who has begun erasing the lines between abled and disabled, raising philosophical questions: What should an athlete look like? Where should limits be placed on technology to balance fair play with the right to compete? Would the nature of sport be altered if athletes using artificial limbs could run faster or jump higher than the best athletes using their natural limbs?

Once at full speed Sunday, Pistorius handily won the 100 and 200 meters here at the Paralympic World Cup, an international competition for disabled athletes. A cold, rainy afternoon tempered his performances, but his victories came decisively and kept him aimed toward his goal of the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing, even though international track officials seek to block his entrance.

Since March, Pistorius has delivered startling record performances for disabled athletes at 100 meters (10.91 seconds), 200 meters (21.58 seconds) and 400 meters (46.34 seconds). Those times do not meet Olympic qualifying standards for men, but the Beijing Games are still 15 months away. Already, Pistorius is fast enough that his marks would have won gold medals in equivalent women’s races at the 2004 Athens Olympics.

Pistorius’s time of 46.56 in the 400 earned him a second-place finish in March against able-bodied runners at the South African national championships. This seemingly makes him a candidate for the Olympic 4x400-meter relay should South Africa qualify as one of the world’s 16 fastest teams.

“I don’t see myself as disabled,” said the blond, spiky-haired Pistorius, a former rugby and water polo player who declines to park in spaces reserved for the disabled. “There’s nothing I can’t do that able-bodied athletes can do.”

An Equalizer or an Edge?

Still, the question persists: Do prosthetic legs simply level the playing field for Pistorius, compensating for his disability, or do they give him an inequitable edge via what some call techno-doping?

Experts say there have been limited scientific studies on the biomechanics of amputee runners, especially those missing both legs. And because Pistorius lost his legs as an infant, his speed on carbon-fiber legs cannot be compared with his speed on natural legs.

Track and field’s world governing body, based in Monaco and known by the initials I.A.A.F., has recently prohibited the use of technological aids like springs and wheels, disqualifying Pistorius from events that it sanctions. A final ruling is expected in August.

The International Olympic Committee allows governing bodies to make their own eligibility rules, though it can intervene. Since 2004, for example, transgender athletes have been allowed to compete in the Olympics.

“With all due respect, we cannot accept something that provides advantages,” said Elio Locatelli of Italy, the director of development for the I.A.A.F., urging Pistorius to concentrate on the Paralympics that will follow the Olympics in Beijing. “It affects the purity of sport. Next will be another device where people can fly with something on their back.”

Others have questioned the governing body’s motivation.
That's the first page, there are two more.

Interesting issue, I think. Later on there's a point made in the article about how, if the man with the less than perfect body wins the race, that might mess with the minds of some people. Also, a mention of the possibility of normal people swapping their natural legs for prosthetics and whether or not it's mutilation if you get a "better" leg. (I put that in quotes, because a prosthetic suited to sprinting isn't necessarially best for for some other purpose.)
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I did a hypothetical poll on allowing people with artificial limbs to compete in sports last november. I didn't expect that scenario to become possible this quickly as I was meaning something at the level of SW tech and I have never really payed any attention to prosthetic development.

At this stage I don't think that letting him compete is a good idea because the line between what is an unfair advantage or not has to be drawn somewhere, and anything that allows any form of artificial limbs is more open to loopholes/cheating than something that bans them all.
I.A.A.F. officials have also expressed concern that Pistorius could topple over, obstructing others or injuring himself and fellow competitors.
This is also a concern.
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An interesting article I agree.

However, I don't really see how he can be allowed to compete in the Olympics on his prosthetics. He is using equipment to assist him which is against the rules. The attempt to equate prosthetic legs with laser eye surgery is pretty bloody tenuous. This is more akin to attaching springs to your feet.

He is also playing up the disadvantages of the legs - if it takes him 30 metres to get going, he wouldn't be running 100 metres in under 11 seconds.

This is not denegrating him for a moment - he is obviously a very fine athlete in his own right.
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That issue had to come up sooner or later.

It all depends on what we want from sports: if the Olympics are a celebration of human skill and ability, then allowing technology (any technology. In my opinion, all athletes should wear the same shoes during the Olympics) just doesn't fit into that goal, and prosthetics are technological aids.

On the other hand, if the goal is to get another world record, then all bets are off.

It's possible we'll be getting another kind of olympic games - for the tech-enhanced athletes. Maybe even funded by prosthetic companies to show off cybernetics of something :)

On another note, these prosthetics are incredibly cool.
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It's possible we'll be getting another kind of olympic games - for the tech-enhanced athletes. Maybe even funded by prosthetic companies to show off cybernetics of something
It's called the Paralympics. :wink:

No matter how much of a "technological aid" a prosthesis is, the O2 consumption for an amputee is much, much greater than it is for an able-bodied runner. That's the real handicap when it comes to comparing amputee vs. able-bodied runners. I say let the man run.
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LauraG wrote:
It's possible we'll be getting another kind of olympic games - for the tech-enhanced athletes. Maybe even funded by prosthetic companies to show off cybernetics of something
It's called the Paralympics. :wink:

No matter how much of a "technological aid" a prosthesis is, the O2 consumption for an amputee is much, much greater than it is for an able-bodied runner. That's the real handicap when it comes to comparing amputee vs. able-bodied runners. I say let the man run.
Over 10 seconds, I doubt that matters too much. In any case, the fact that there are pluses and minuses is pretty irrelevant to the point that he wouldn't be competing on the same terms as the other athletes in the race.
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LauraG wrote:
It's possible we'll be getting another kind of olympic games - for the tech-enhanced athletes. Maybe even funded by prosthetic companies to show off cybernetics of something
It's called the Paralympics. :wink:
I meant it more in the "let's see what a healthy man who we've enhanced can do!" kind of competition.
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Hillary wrote:The attempt to equate prosthetic legs with laser eye surgery is pretty bloody tenuous. This is more akin to attaching springs to your feet.
You mean, to those feet you don't actually have? Those you never had?

The question strikes me as undecidable. What do you make of that other guy (I forget the name) who climbs frickin' mountains on artificial legs? Is he less of a climber because of that?

If you start down this road, you might as well wonder what will happen when PDAs become small enough to be implanted. Then all students will have the ability to cheat on exams, and you won't be able to confiscate the devices whitout hurting them. What then?
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The question, purely in a running context, is do the artificial legs give him an unfair advantage. Whenever you run the objective is to keep your stride as long as possible yet make as rapid a footfall as possible. The footfall is a matter of leg strength, principally the quads though others come into play, and stride is a matter of tension in your leg and how much "spring" you can get forwad from the balls of your feet as they pass under you. If the guy's thigs are still intact then there is no advantage there and the quesiton becomes does the tension in the prosthetic surpass what could be achieved in a nomral person even with the most rigorous training and well conditioned body.


Now this is all leaving to the side issues of blood flow, nutrition and oxygen consuption as well as upper body strength, which plays a huge role in propelling the body especially in short distances or in cross country races where inclines are prevelant. Again all those things this man has no obvious advantage and perhaps some disadvantages but the question of whether the legs he has exceed what the human body is capable of is the real question and I'm not sure we know the answer.
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bilateralrope wrote:
I.A.A.F. officials have also expressed concern that Pistorius could topple over, obstructing others or injuring himself and fellow competitors.
This is also a concern.
Right, because able-bodied athletes never fall down :roll: [/sarcasm]

It's a strawman. It's bogus. It's an insult to an adult to say "You can't do this ordinary thing everyone else is allowed to do because you might get hurt".
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CmdrWilkens wrote: Again all those things this man has no obvious advantage and perhaps some disadvantages but the question of whether the legs he has exceed what the human body is capable of is the real question and I'm not sure we know the answer.
At this point the answer is no, prosthetics do NOT give him an advantage. As already pointed out, oxygen consumption in a leg amputee is significantly and measurably higher than in a comparable person with two biological legs, and it's higher yet for a double amputee than for a single. Prosthetics are not as stable as natural feet, requiring more effort on the part of the user to maintain balance, energy that otherwise might go to propelling him further. The article stated that his best times, as of yet, still do not qualify him for the Olympics. If he did qualify it is extremely unlikely he'd medal. Nor do we have droves of amputees performing at his level - he is far, far ahead of the pack in regards to other amputee runners, even those using the same technology (not mentioned in the article, but the legs/feet he's using are pretty standard among amputee runners, even if his might be especially well tweaked). If he's performing at world-class levels it is NOT merely the technology, it is ALSO his own skill and talent. Just as well made shoes might aid a world-class runner, those same shoes will NOT allow Joe Average to compete with that runner.

If technology progresses further it wouldn't be beyond reason to impose limits on the prosthetics permitted, just as such sports as pole-vaulting and javelin-throwing have strict limits on materials and construction of the items necessary to those sports. Or, in such cases as transsexual athletes or people having medical conditions (such as Lance Armstrong, post-testicular cancer) being permitted certain hormones within the normal range (since that is necessary for health), but not beyond it. Restoration of function, yes - enhancement, no. Not only would that help keep the playing field level, it would sharply discourage people from chopping off healthy legs to replace them with artificial ones.
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Unless you have proportionally more amputees than full-bodied athletes (relative to the number active), then prosthetic limbs confer no advantage.

This is the MOST DOMINANT PARA-ATHLETE IN THE WORLD.

He is the LANCE ARMSTRONG of legless sprinters, and he needs to cut .7 seconds off his 100 meter dash to make it. (that's a lot.) There are 90 active college athletes in America who have faster times this year than he does. (see http://www.trackshark.com/rankings/d1men.php )

I think that I am safe to say prosthetic limbs do not at this time confer an advantage over the real thing. It is interesting to try to think how to determine when they would, but it isn't now.
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Prosthetic limbs do not but is it the limbs themselves or the overall circumstances? Again he is obviously at a huge disadvantage in terms of balance, body control, and oxygen use but my question is solely whether the limbs themselves perform in a way that is measureably superior or inferior to the human leg. His total circumstances, yes, put him at a severe disadvantage and I'd honestly have no problem with him running but it does become a matter of when the equipment equals or surpasses the function it replaces. I think broomstick has the right idea in terms of governing strength and composition of materials to ensure the limbs do not confer an advantage to the point of not just equalizing the field but overcoming it but I just don't see worldwide governing bodies acting quickly on this.
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Broomstick wrote:
bilateralrope wrote:
I.A.A.F. officials have also expressed concern that Pistorius could topple over, obstructing others or injuring himself and fellow competitors.
This is also a concern.
Right, because able-bodied athletes never fall down :roll: [/sarcasm]

It's a strawman. It's bogus. It's an insult to an adult to say "You can't do this ordinary thing everyone else is allowed to do because you might get hurt".
I was actually thinking that if he tripped, his limbs could cause more harm to the other competitors than if someone with natural legs tripped. But as this is based only on that paragraph and the photo at the top of the article, I'll concede this point.
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Hugh wrote:
Hillary wrote:The attempt to equate prosthetic legs with laser eye surgery is pretty bloody tenuous. This is more akin to attaching springs to your feet.
You mean, to those feet you don't actually have? Those you never had?
I don't actually understand what point you're trying to make here - or maybe you didn't understand mine.
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The question strikes me as undecidable. What do you make of that other guy (I forget the name) who climbs frickin' mountains on artificial legs? Is he less of a climber because of that?
Of course not, which is why I also wrote this in my post
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This is not denegrating him for a moment - he is obviously a very fine athlete in his own right.
Hugh wrote:If you start down this road, you might as well wonder what will happen when PDAs become small enough to be implanted. Then all students will have the ability to cheat on exams, and you won't be able to confiscate the devices whitout hurting them. What then?
This is not relevant to the topic.
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As far as I recall, in sprints, oxygen consumption has less to do and you're using the energy stored. So amputees consuming more oxygen would matter little in this race. This goes in contrast if it was say a endurance race.
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Incorrect.

There is only a finite amount of O2 available to muscle cells. In a sprint, you burn through it faster than it can be resupplied. As a general rule, the greater the effort exerted, the faster you use it up. Thus, if he is exerting significantly more effort than an able-bodied sprinter he will use up his oxygen reserves quicker. Either he needs a better-than-average storage/use system, or he has to really finish the race quick because he simply can't endure as long as his competitors.

In other words, the greater oxygen consumption required by his prosthetic legs really is a disadvantage.
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Personally I don't see why he can't compete with the rest of the athletes, he's got different advantages and disadvantages.
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I was a definite "hell no" until I read the other two pages of the NYT article. Seeing as the prosthetics aren't as efficient as human legs, he's still competing at a disadvantage so the only reason not to allow him would be some sort of disgust at seeing a sprinter with artificial legs competing; which is pretty obviously irrational.

My only concern is that he can literally replace portions of his legs- as a runner I have to deal with blisters, shin splints, busted ankles and general wear and tear. Maybe there's extra strain on his hips from rotational forces, but it sort of sounds like his not experiencing half of the problems. Obviously, however, I don't know what he's feeling on the track.

Ignoring that replacement issue, all in all I think a pretty clear standard is that as long as the technology gives his prosthetics less or equal power as a standard human leg he should be allowed to compete.
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You know, thinking about it some more, let him run. He's a living testament to the ability of human spirit and ingenuity to overcome crippling obstacles.

If there's anything the Olympics should promote, it's that idea. And since these prosthetics don't actually give him an advantage, then one more objection is removed.
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The problem is not so much this individual as the precedent. What if they develop even more sophisticated prosthetics in future which develop more power than human legs ever could? Then what? You've already set a precedent that artificial limbs are OK. Do you set a limit on how powerful they can be? What should that limit be? How about the long jump? Should we allow artificial legs that can vault someone 80 feet?
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Darth Wong wrote:The problem is not so much this individual as the precedent. What if they develop even more sophisticated prosthetics in future which develop more power than human legs ever could? Then what? You've already set a precedent that artificial limbs are OK. Do you set a limit on how powerful they can be? What should that limit be? How about the long jump? Should we allow artificial legs that can vault someone 80 feet?
Obviously, some limits will have to be imposed. But since we'll have to tangle with this issue anyway at some time, we may just as well do it now and establish proper guidelines for allowing athletes with artificial limbs.

The problem, obviously, is how do you measure "power" of artificial limbs?
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PeZook wrote:The problem, obviously, is how do you measure "power" of artificial limbs?
Whats wrong with "how fast can they move", "how much weight can they lift" etc?
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LMSx wrote:My only concern is that he can literally replace portions of his legs- as a runner I have to deal with blisters, shin splints, busted ankles and general wear and tear. Maybe there's extra strain on his hips from rotational forces, but it sort of sounds like his not experiencing half of the problems. Obviously, however, I don't know what he's feeling on the track.
Actually, he probably DOES experience blisters - on his stumps. It's impossible to eliminate all friction between skin and prosthetic. Amputees have to deal with blisters and even abrasions and tissue breakdowns due to that friction, as well as pressure points. It can get to the point where the prosthetics have to be left off until healing is finished, relegating the person to a wheelchair. So while he may not be experiencing shin splints and blistered toes, he most certainly has risks and issues to deal with.
The problem is not so much this individual as the precedent. What if they develop even more sophisticated prosthetics in future which develop more power than human legs ever could?
As I mentioned up-thread - there is precedent in other sports regarding technological aids. For that matter, car racing imposes strict limits on technology rather than letting anything go. There would be a period where the new rules would have to be developed, but this is not an insurmountable obstacle.
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Broomstick wrote:As I mentioned up-thread - there is precedent in other sports regarding technological aids. For that matter, car racing imposes strict limits on technology rather than letting anything go. There would be a period where the new rules would have to be developed, but this is not an insurmountable obstacle.
I wasn't aware NASCAR was considered a "sport". Of course on that same note, you do NOT see bicyclists competing against motorcycle riders and for good reason.
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