Mass Producing Mandalorian Iron

[Ritterin Sophia]

It may not be Star War, but... did someone say Lightscythe?

Edit: I knew it was a Scythe, but common terminology is sometimes incorrect so I said Lightreaper since that's what others called it.

[Civil War Man]

What is really ridiculus is the lightreaper. Really? A lightreaper? Now that's just stupid. It's already bad enough enough to assume that any effective medieval weapon would rock as a light weapon, but the reaper isn't even a real weapon! It's a symbol, not a combat item, and just because the Grim Reaper wields it does not make it uber-awesome.

Technically, it would be a lightscythe. Reaper refers to the person wielding the scythe. And while a scythe can be used as a weapon, you would be better off with, say, a sword or an axe. The Grim Reaper, after all, isn't a soldier. It's a farmer. Of souls. cackle cackle cackle

[Civil War Man]

What is really ridiculus is the lightreaper. Really? A lightreaper? Now that's just stupid. It's already bad enough enough to assume that any effective medieval weapon would rock as a light weapon, but the reaper isn't even a real weapon! It's a symbol, not a combat item, and just because the Grim Reaper wields it does not make it uber-awesome.

Technically, it would be a lightscythe. Reaper refers to the person wielding the scythe. And while a scythe can be used as a weapon, you are right that you would be better off with, say, a sword or an axe. The Grim Reaper, after all, isn't a soldier. It's a farmer. Of souls. cackle cackle cackle

[NecronLord]

Provided you coated it with 'electrum' (The list of things that'll block lightsabers is sometimes embarassing) or phrik or some such to prevent it simply being chopped in two.

Luckily it has only the name and color in common with real electrum. Ah, and where's the quote from? The movie doesn't agree with the novel in this scene.

As I recall, that's in the RotS novellisation. The 'Accuracy dispute' seems to question that; maybe it's in that 'Agents of Chaos' book. And, for that matter, given that it has name and appearance in common, if it does not resist energy in some funky way, why shouldn't it be real Electrum?

Regardless, there are umpteen lightsaber deflecting materials in the canon, any of which would do for a lightspear's shaft.

[Sarevok]

The Star Wars D6 RPG Jedi handbook is a rich source of amusing and stupid ideas. I will post some of them.

Lightwhip
Type: Flexible, wave-guide energy lash
Difficulty: Very Difficult
Skill: Lightwhip
Damage: 5D
Notes: If character misses base difficulty by 10+, whip strikes wielder. If character beats
base difficulty by 20+, the whip may wrap around the target doing 5D+/-Control damage
per round.
Due to merged physical/energy nature, when used against an armored target, use
Physical Armor -1D or Energy Armor, whichever is greater. Due to energy cocoon, may
be used to parry lightsabers, and even ensnare them. Must roll lightsaber Vs lightwhip
damage to see if they damage each other.
The lightwhip is the prized weapon of many Sith and Dark Jedi, but only a scant
handful of Jedi. Similar in many respects to the Force Lash, the Lightwhips were
harnessed energy coiled around incredibly strong, 2.5 to 4.5m long (length varies between
users, and is based, in part, on the builder's height), alloy whips. They can easily cut
through the strongest metals in the hands of a skilled user. Because the lightwhip is
flexible and unwieldy, it is very dangerous to the beginner, and those without any formal
training are as much a danger to themselves as they to others. In the hands of a skilled
user, however, the lightwhip is capable of deflecting blaster bolts and solid projectiles, in
addition to its formidable capabilities.

Already covered by others.

Light Boomerang
Type: Energy field assisted boomerang
Difficulty: Variable (see below)
Skill: (A) Light Boomerang
Ranges: 2-10 (moderate)/20 (difficult)/60 (very difficult)
Damage: 5D
Notes: If throw or catch difficulty missed by >10, the boomerang either actives too early
(causing damage to user's hand), or isn't caught (inflicting damage randomly). Requires
the Light Boomerang Combat Force power to use.
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The light boomerang was at one time a highly prized weapon, used primarily by
Jedi who enjoyed showing off or where on the front lines of the Sith conflicts. Today,
there are none believed to still exist, and only a scant handful of scholars know of it's
existence. Like the light whip and force lash, it uses crystal, wave-guide and mirror
technology to create an energy field around the actual weapon. For safety reasons, it may
only be activated telekinetically, otherwise the user's hand would be instantly removed.
Once thrown, the Jedi would be able to guide his weapon against several targets in one
throw. Attempting to use this weapon without intense training is suicidal.

Not as retarded as the lightwhip and sounds cool at first. Still a LIGHT BOOMERANG ?? WTF were the designers thinking.

Light Claws
Type: Energy-blade claws
Difficulty: Moderate
Skill: Melee Weapons: Lightclaws
Damage: 2D (It is believed that some models where as powerful as true lightsabers)
Notes: The Jedi may add the Damage + Control to their Climbing. They may also be used
to deflect blaster bolts.
This is an unusual weapon, used mainly by Dark Jedi Assassins. They may be
concealed in the sleeves of a tunic or robe. Each claw emits a pair of blades about a meter
long. They may also be used to help climbers.

Sounds like those wrist blades built into the Protoss Zealot battle armour. This might actualy be of some use.

Lightarrows (lightbows)
Skill: Bows (as for bow/crossbow type)
Power used: Force archery
Difficulty: as per bow type +5 (no possibility to accidentally damage yourself, though)
Damage: 3D [+ 1/2 Control]
Notes: you can't parry with arrows (obviously), but you can shoot them to deflect shots
aimed at anyone (using 1/2 of Sense). Also, when deflecting a shot aimed at him, a Jedi
may shoot at the attacker deflecting blaster bolt in flight and hitting him with his arrow.
However, this stunt is pretty difficult to pull off (add +5 to deflect difficulty and +10 to
attack difficulty). Also, the Jedi may try to control where the shot will go, but this is
terribly difficult, even for experienced Jedi (use 1/4 of Control and add +5 to "to hit"
difficulty for deflected shot). Also, if the Jedi deflects a shot aimed at a target outside of
short range, he must use TK to speed the arrow up (make a Moderate telekinesis roll).
Please note that this gives no increase in damage, as it is not Strength-based...
Description: Lightarrows must be made using Ilum crystals (no place for power source),
and the lightblade is rather weak and short (about 3-5 centimeters). Lightbows (as they
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were called by ignorants) were mainly used by Factotums for target protection (esp. if the
target did not want a Jedi protection, so nobody could be near him and deflect the bolt
with his saber). Some warriors also used them, but this was very rare... The most famous
lightbow-using Jedi was Tell, a blind Warrior with no hands. He used a crossbow with a
special durraloy bow, which had a pull of over 500 kgs. He cocked and aimed it with
telekinesis... And he used lightbolts only for target protection, because arrows shot from
his crossbow were so powerful he had no need of some lightblade fixed on them...

Lightarrows ? Did the RPG designers watch too many cartoons ?

[Crossroads Inc.]

The most famous
lightbow-using Jedi was Tell, a blind Warrior with no hands. He used a crossbow with a
special durraloy bow, which had a pull of over 500 kgs. He cocked and aimed it with
telekinesis... And he used lightbolts only for target protection, because arrows shot from
his crossbow were so powerful he had no need of some lightblade fixed on them...

What- The- FCCK?

[Cao Cao]

Light bows?
If you're going to use one of those.. why not just use a blaster?

As for the rest.. have EU writers been playing too much Phantasy Star Online or what? I'm surprised there's not some sort of light-claymore too.

[Starglider]

Urge to burn... entire EU... rising....

[Ritterin Sophia]

Light bows?
If you're going to use one of those.. why not just use a blaster?

As for the rest.. have EU writers been playing too much Phantasy Star Online or what? I'm surprised there's not some sort of light-claymore too.

Well at least there's no 'Light Armour'! (Lol Pun)

[Cykeisme]

Urge to burn... entire EU... rising....

Ngghhhraaar!

[Lord_Xerxes]

I find the Vader-esque panel on Lumiya's chest just as stupid as her shitty weapon.

Well she was Vader's Apprentice for a short time, and luke did nearly kill her by blasting her with an X-Wing.

What are you saying? That her lungs were FUBARed too?

Most of her body, just like Vader, according to Betrayal. She's pretty much a torso as well.

"I lived, but it cost me. Cost me more than half of my body, inf act. My limbs, some of my organs..." She looked down at herself. "Cybernetic replacements."

And as an aside, I hate all the anti-lightsaber armor wank. It's just bullshit. If I recall correctly, at least Cortisis was brittle and made completely impratical regular armor. Pretty sure it had to be weaved into a mail and had like no resistance to blasterfire. So that was the trade off. Effective against lightsabers but not against anything else.


And as far as the "magical RPG substances that only can come from one place", the Ysalmiri, as stupid and retarded as they were, had a somewhat viable eplanation in that they died if they weren't attached to the trees. People still used them, attaching to the Nutrient frames and shit that mimicked them, but they could be removed from whatever that planet was. They were still a completely stupid idea, however (even if it was rationalized by them repeling force to keep them from being detected by their natural predators).

[Cao Cao]

Well she was Vader's Apprentice for a short time, and luke did nearly kill her by blasting her with an X-Wing.

What are you saying? That her lungs were FUBARed too?

Most of her body, just like Vader, according to Betrayal. She's pretty much a torso as well.

Are you sure it was an X-Wing blast and not her eviscerating herself with that retarded lightwhip?

[Spearfish]

Light bows?
If you're going to use one of those.. why not just use a blaster?

As for the rest.. have EU writers been playing too much Phantasy Star Online or what? I'm surprised there's not some sort of light-claymore too.

It's such a phenomenally retarded idea. I'm incredulous that someone actually sat down and thought, "Light-crossbow? Firing little lightsaber bolts? Which you have to fucking wind up after every shot? Pre-Roman Empire technology in an age of rapid-fire highly destructive energy weapons? Fuck yeah!". I'm even more shocked that someone published this dreck, rather than having their pen taken away from them.
I'm still waiting for the Light-halbeard, or the light-throwing-axe, or the light-hammer, or the sling that fires little Light-darts. If I ever see two characters dueling with lightsabres and shields, I will personally hunt and kill the author.

[Anguirus]

If I ever see two characters dueling with lightsabres and shields, I will personally hunt and kill the author.

...wait a tick, that's one of the few things that actually makes some sense. A Jedi with either a big sheet of dense metal or one of those Gungan shields in addition to a lightsabre would be REALLY dangerous. And stormtroopers had lightsabres and shields in early artwork for Star Wars.

[Starglider]

Energy shields actually make sense. We know force fields can stop lightsabers, it would be lighter than a physical shield and thus compatible with Jedi agility-focused fighting styles, and sword+shield fighting was historically very common and practical. And yes, Ulysses 31 had them (projected from a wristwatch-sized device) and they rocked.

The lightcrossbow is idiotic. If there is any tactical utility to energy-encased projectiles they would be fired from a proper, probably electromagnetic automatic launcher. In fact don't proton torpedoes, of which there are mini versions and shoulder-fired launchers, work just like that but also have a proper warhead? The bowcaster was already straining credibility, this crossbow thing goes way past suspension of disbelief into moronic-author-land.

[Ritterin Sophia]

I don't think it's a Crossbow, it sounds more like it's pull the strings bow, you know Composite Longbow Bow...

[Spearfish]

If I ever see two characters dueling with lightsabres and shields, I will personally hunt and kill the author.

...wait a tick, that's one of the few things that actually makes some sense. A Jedi with either a big sheet of dense metal or one of those Gungan shields in addition to a lightsabre would be REALLY dangerous. And stormtroopers had lightsabres and shields in early artwork for Star Wars.

It's not the credibility I'm worried about - it's a science fiction universe turning into some sort of Fantasy with spaceships deal. It's probably me just being paranoid, though.

[Starglider]

It's not the credibility I'm worried about - it's a science fiction universe turning into some sort of Fantasy with spaceships deal. It's probably me just being paranoid, though.

Star Wars has always been science fantasy. It has outright magic (renamed to 'The Force'), as well as a black knight, heroic farmboys, glowing swords, princesses and hidden fortresses. If you mean 'more fantasy than sci-fi', I suppose so, though I don't think the specifics of hand-to-hand combat are an issue there - the real problem is the larger scale stuff, particularly the EU authors desperate wish for the SW galaxy to be scaled down to the size of Middle Earth.

[NecronLord]

And as an aside, I hate all the anti-lightsaber armor wank. It's just bullshit. If I recall correctly, at least Cortisis was brittle and made completely impratical regular armor. Pretty sure it had to be weaved into a mail and had like no resistance to blasterfire. So that was the trade off. Effective against lightsabers but not against anything else.

Quite the opposite. The idea that lightsabers can casually cleave through anything is unsupported by the films. And a no limits fallacy to boot. In numerous instances in the films, lightsabers are significantly impeded by solid materials, including the railings of the Emperor's Throne Room in Return of the Jedi, Lord Vader's armour in The Empire Strikes Back, the Floors of the Naboo reactor room in The Phantom Menace, the hull of Lord Dooku's starship in Attack of the Clones. Although all these could be considered to be some kind of effects flaw (notably the one in Return of the Jedi, which definately looks like it), it was [url=ttp://www.starwars.com/databank/technology/el ... ff/?id=bts]decided[/url] (according to the sources we have) deliberately by the design team of Revenge of the Sith that electrostaves of the Magna Guards should be lightsaber resistant.

Of course, Phrik is a much classier material than Cortosis, or all the other magical materials, in that it is an artificial alloy that provides blanket protection against everything, and is limited in its use by extreme cost.

[Dooey Jo]

Not as retarded as the lightwhip and sounds cool at first. Still a LIGHT BOOMERANG ?? WTF were the designers thinking.

Not as retarded? That's the most retarded of the whole bunch. At least the others will sort of work as weapons and are just stupid, but this fucker's going leave you defenceless while you concentrate on guiding your would-be batarang, not to mention cut your hand off, or worse, when it comes back.

Interesting though, that games seem to be putting light-blades on traditional eastern weapons, with the light-tonfa and nunchakus, while the rest are going for the western weapons (Jedi Tell with the crossbow? Which he uses even though he has no hands? WTF were they smoking?). Soon we will witness the slightly bent lightsabre blade, the light-katana, and the shorter, light-wakizashi, commonly used in the special Jedi skill, Force-seppuku. Sith will also use light-shurikens and have straighter blades with a square guard, which they will carry on their backs. They will scale Jedi temples using Force-enhanced tabis and Sith-ropes (which can be used as light-whips). There will also be a light-staff... no wait, they already have that, with the double bladed swords...

What about light-muskets? Firing tiny bits of lightsabre blades. Or a light-cannon, shooting whole lightsabres... Jedi artillery... What's that you say? Just using blasters? Nonsense, Jedi need not those things. Well not until the EU writers have gone through all other weapons, like light-revolvers (good for the Force-skill Coruscanti roulette), light-uzis (not so much), light flame throwers, light-pulse-rifles, light zat guns, light-phasers, and finally, light-blasters. But there are so many weapons throughout history, so we will all be long dead before that day comes.

Personally, I wonder why there aren't more light knives. I guess they would be too useful...

[Starglider]

Personally, I wonder why there aren't more light knives. I guess they would be too useful...

Back in the day, vibro weapons were the standard SW high-tech melee weapon. There are all kinds of them in the canon, vibro-knives in particular, along with laser knives. But I guess they were just too boring and non-shiny for the wank-loving EU authors.

and the shorter, light-wakizashi, commonly used in the special Jedi skill, Force-seppuku

Behold the Shoto mini-lightsaber. Best used for fighting other lightwank weapons of course.

[PainRack]

Behold the Shoto mini-lightsaber. Best used for fighting other lightwank weapons of course.

You forgot, that mini-lightsaber is made of "mass" whereas the other, green lightsaber is made of "energy".

[Cao Cao]

You forgot, that mini-lightsaber is made of "mass" whereas the other, green lightsaber is made of "energy".

mini-lightsaber is made of "mass"

mini-lightsaber is made of "mass"

What??

[Starglider]

with the light-tonfa

Those do look like an accident waiting to happen, as well as missing half the point of tonfa (as I understand them), in that they don't work as forearm guards/for parrying because lightsaber hilts don't stop lightsaber blades.



Incidentally I now have to give Squaresoft the award for the most retarded melee weapon ever invented:

In the Front Mission series of games, mechs can be equipped with a rocket powered tonfa to add power to punches.

[Cao Cao]

Incidentally I now have to give Squaresoft the award for the most retarded melee weapon ever invented:

In the Front Mission series of games, mechs can be equipped with a rocket powered tonfa to add power to punches.

Whoever wrote that has never played Front Mission.
The only Tonfa weapon I recall is in Front Mission 1. It's not rocket powered, though IIRC the mechs used rocket boosters on their legs to get into melee range and out.

Though yes, a giant tonfa is still pretty silly.