Why Shep hates anime....

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2003-01-07 01:14pm

SolidSnake wrote:Dude, you guys should stop ripping on Shep. He dosnt like anamie!!! Uh oh! We better beat the fuck out of him with a baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire! No better then rabid trekkies..

What would you think about someone who said he doesn't like live action based on a bad film he saw once?

Solid Snake · Post by **Solid Snake** » 2003-01-07 01:37pm

I wouldnt care. It's his opinion

Icehawk · Post by **Icehawk** » 2003-01-07 06:45pm

I wouldnt care. It's his opinion

Yeah, well we do, and its our opinion that his opinion was.. well, shit. So we responded in hopes that we could help to persuade him into rethinking his opinion.

Whether or not he takes our advice and checks out some of the stuff we recommended is up to him.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-01-07 07:55pm

WARNING BULLSHIT DETECTED

DETONATION IN 10.....9.........8.....7.......

Just saw Gundam Wing Zero...the opening battle between the F-14Ds
and the MiG-29s was cool, but I fucking lost it when that goddamn new
fighter turned into a mecha in MID AIR......

The AV-8B Harrier would completely OWN that fucking worthless piece
of crap!

LONG LIVE THE PEGASUS ENGINE!

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-01-07 07:57pm

I was watching an episode of Mobile Suit Gundum, and this ship(whitebase?) was attacked by 20 fighters, and they dispatched TWO, which then TRANSFORMED into mecha in MIDAIR

Why the fuck did they last more two seconds against TWENTY ENEMY FIGHTERS?

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-01-07 08:02pm

Ah, welcome to "The Mecha Effect" or "Isn't Top Secret Prototype Technology Great?"

Which of course begs the question, why does Shep watch Mecha anime if he knows he doesn't like it.

If you want *relatively* reliastic Mecha anime, try Gundam 8th MS Team. The Mecha there get taken out by people in "normal" vheicals, civilians with rocket launchers, tanks, etc.

Just try to ignore the big-ass flying mech that can vaporise a mountain.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-01-07 08:02pm

HemlockGrey wrote:I was watching an episode of Mobile Suit Gundum, and this ship(whitebase?) was attacked by 20 fighters, and they dispatched TWO, which then TRANSFORMED into mecha in MIDAIR

Why the fuck did they last more two seconds against TWENTY ENEMY FIGHTERS?

Yeah. A Harrier pilot would just laugh and ram the nozzles of his AV-8B
forward and VIFF his way around the transforming mecha and fill it with
25mm gunfire

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-01-07 08:03pm

HemlockGrey wrote:I was watching an episode of Mobile Suit Gundum, and this ship(whitebase?) was attacked by 20 fighters, and they dispatched TWO, which then TRANSFORMED into mecha in MIDAIR

Why the fuck did they last more two seconds against TWENTY ENEMY FIGHTERS?

I hate to say it, but it doesn't change the fact that they did... MEANING:

a) awesome countermeasures
b) fucking remarkable armour
c) something else...

The fact remains that we see visual evidence that 2 of them can survive that kind of assault. We can only make assumptions as to how as no real excuse is given. Kind of like we can't explain how hyperspace in SW works, but we see it work, so we assume it can.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-01-07 08:03pm

Yogi wrote: Which of course begs the question, why does Shep watch Mecha anime if he knows he doesn't like it.

Brother was on the Computer and was watching an anime show, so I hung
around and watched it too.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-01-07 08:04pm

weemadando wrote: The fact remains that we see visual evidence that 2 of them can survive that kind of assault. We can only make assumptions as to how as no real excuse is given. Kind of like we can't explain how hyperspace in SW works, but we see it work, so we assume it can.

How about PLOT HOLES SO DAMN BIG YOU CAN FLY A GALAXY THROUGH THEM!??!

(and I mean the big thing with all the stars, not the airplane)

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-01-07 08:05pm

MKSheppard wrote:Just saw Gundam Wing Zero

I just caught that. Yeah, that would explain a lot. I would stay the HELL away from Gundam W (Gundam Wing), Turn A Gundam, Gudam Seed . . . or just about ANY Gundam except for 8th MS. ESPECIALLY stay away from Gundam Seed. I know Mecha are supposed to be the "star" of the show, but the way everything just jobs to even the "generic" mecha in that show pisses me off.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2003-01-07 09:09pm

MKSheppard wrote:
WARNING BULLSHIT DETECTED

DETONATION IN 10.....9.........8.....7.......

Just saw Gundam Wing Zero...the opening battle between the F-14Ds
and the MiG-29s was cool, but I fucking lost it when that goddamn new
fighter turned into a mecha in MID AIR......

The AV-8B Harrier would completely OWN that fucking worthless piece
of crap!

LONG LIVE THE PEGASUS ENGINE!

That was Macross Zero actually.

Shadowhawk · Post by **Shadowhawk** » 2003-01-07 09:16pm

Yeah. A Harrier pilot would just laugh and ram the nozzles of his AV-8B forward and VIFF his way around the transforming mecha and fill it with
25mm gunfire

Of course, since the Gundam and its associated components can shrug off 120mm machine gun fire, the 25mm won't do jack shit to it.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-01-07 09:19pm

Shadowhawk wrote: Of course, since the Gundam and its associated components can shrug off 120mm machine gun fire, the 25mm won't do jack shit to it.

God, not this shit again.

HEAVY ARMOR BRIGADE FORWARD!

Except those 120mm "machine guns" fire low velocity rounds and
are functionally equivalent to grenade launchers, NOT high velocity
25mm armor piercing depleted uranium rounds....

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-07 09:27pm

And I should add that Mobile Suit Gundam was made in 1979, back when the Super Robot anime genre was still strong. The sponsor of the show, toy maker Clover, said that the ratings were low (they measured the show's ratings with toy sales, and more teenagers were actually watching it than little kids), and demanded that Sunrise add in the G-Armor, so they could sell more toys.

Since they based the toys on the older designs for the series (back when it still called Gunboy and more like a super robot show), nobody bought them, and the show was cancelled from 50 episodes down to 43 (which was actually for the best, as Tomino's revised ending was better than the one he wrote originally).

Yogi: I personally think that 0080 is better than 08MST, and it has less stuff that Shep would go fucking nuts over, as it's more centered on drama and the moral costs of war.

As you can see in my signature, Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam is my favourite (and I'm thrilled they're releasing it in the US this year), and I personally like what I've seen so far of Turn-A Gundam.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-01-07 09:32pm

Shadowhawk wrote:
Yeah. A Harrier pilot would just laugh and ram the nozzles of his AV-8B forward and VIFF his way around the transforming mecha and fill it with
25mm gunfire
Of course, since the Gundam and its associated components can shrug off 120mm machine gun fire, the 25mm won't do jack shit to it.

Recoil dictates that such machine guns fire rounds with mass comparable to a grape fruit at rock thrown by 12-year-old Palestinian velocities. Real cannon rounds will punch through one side and out the other before exploding in the next one.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2003-01-07 09:52pm

MKSheppard wrote:
Shadowhawk wrote: Of course, since the Gundam and its associated components can shrug off 120mm machine gun fire, the 25mm won't do jack shit to it.
God, not this shit again.

HEAVY ARMOR BRIGADE FORWARD!

Except those 120mm "machine guns" fire low velocity rounds and
are functionally equivalent to grenade launchers, NOT high velocity
25mm armor piercing depleted uranium rounds....

Unless of course you're in a transforming fighter jet that can take hits from its own 55mm armor piercing rounds while being able to out VIFF the best VIFFing of any AV-8B.

That is basically what the Sv-51 from Macross Zero should be able to do. Note that I said "should" because I know and fully accept that animators can and will screw things up. Now I'm not going to claim anything about the Variable Fighters from Macross. One last thing though, you should've stayed around and saw what happens to that F-14 pilot who ejected. He meets up with some locals on the island of Mayan and learns of their "Love Stick" ritual. Plus you missed some great lines from Roy Focker in his pep talk to some newbie pilots, "They always say take it slow on your first mission. Forget that and do it just like your first lady. Be delicate and daring at the same time. "

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-01-07 09:55pm

Mobile Suit Gundam movie trilogy is better than the series because they took out that damn silly G-Armor.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-01-07 10:18pm

VF5SS wrote: Unless of course you're in a transforming fighter jet that can take hits from its own 55mm armor piercing rounds while being able to out VIFF the best VIFFing of any AV-8B.

Yeah right. Give me the Pegasus engine and I can make the harrier
come to a stop faster than your transforming fighter, and for much
much much less money too....

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2003-01-07 10:44pm

But the variable fighter is cool... Yeah I know, any kind of robot or transforming fighters are irrational.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-01-07 10:47pm

VF5SS wrote:But the variable fighter is cool... Yeah I know, any kind of robot or transforming fighters are irrational.

"Splash One, Splash one!" yells the F-16D pilot as he watches the VF-1 spiral
down in a plume of black smoke after a successful AIM-9X hit.

Gotta love Air-to-Air Missiles, and their 60+ gee turn capability....

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2003-01-07 10:53pm

MKSheppard wrote:
VF5SS wrote:But the variable fighter is cool... Yeah I know, any kind of robot or transforming fighters are irrational.
"Splash One, Splash one!" yells the F-16D pilot as he watches the VF-1 spiral
down in a plume of black smoke after a successful AIM-9X hit.

Gotta love Air-to-Air Missiles, and their 60+ gee turn capability....

Of course that's assuming the F-16 isn't shot down by the VF-1's medium range misiles first. Better "Chaff Chaff! Do some of that pilot shit!"

Icehawk · Post by **Icehawk** » 2003-01-07 10:55pm

Yeah right. Give me the Pegasus engine and I can make the harrier
come to a stop faster than your transforming fighter, and for much
much much less money too....

You would like to think that wouldn't you. Not only can the Veritech hover but it can, flip, manuever, and skydive whilst firing off loads of missiles and its 55mm cannon at multiple targets while its in humanoid form.

Less money? Why the fuck should I care about money when it comes to developing new technology? Plus the Harrier is an archaic piece of shit that has killed and injured more of its own pilots than most other craft in service from mechanical failures.

The fact remains that while by todays standards Veritech fighters are impractical, they would still be far more advanced and more capable than anything we have in the air today.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2003-01-07 10:59pm

Ug, not Very-tek. Anything but Very-tek.

Icehawk · Post by **Icehawk** » 2003-01-07 11:02pm

Whats wrong with that? I actually though it sounded fine. I think its alot better than "Variable fighter" or "Robo-technology" And the I in Veritech isnt meant to be pronounced that strongly as though its was a Y.