Female version of DickStar found!

[MKSheppard]

Do you know ANYTHING else about these people? Believe it or not, people make stupid mistakes and some times they pay for it with their lives.

Ok, then I should stick my hand into a plugged in blender to get that last
piece of food out of there....yeah...

There are some things you just don't do.

[Stormbringer]

Do you know ANYTHING else about these people? Believe it or not, people make stupid mistakes and some times they pay for it with their lives.

Since when are we obligated to feel sorry for the idiots that kill themselves with their own stupidity? They didn't think what they did through and paid for it. I feel no sorrow and minimal sympathy for these people for the simple reason: they should have known better. We have a brain for a reason and it's not to keep our heads from caving in.

[Alyeska]

THAT IS FUCKING DIFFERENT! Shooting someone who waves a gun in your store is JUSTIFIED.

So there are two standards eh?

One for us peons and another for COPS?

Fuck that. Anyone who walks in with a mask and a gun not expecting
to be dropped is a total fucking moron.

I did not say that. When you shoot an unknown person, that is justified. When you know what the whole thing is about and mock the cop who screwed up and make statements that she should have died and that her child is an idiot is INSULTING AND DEGRADING and proves that your a fucking idiot. ANYONE who insults a cop for a mistake, even a stupid one like this with the taunts you and the others are making make me angry. I am joining that honorable profression and I can't stand the likes of you poking at people who put their lives on the line to keep you safe.

[MKSheppard]

ANYONE who insults a cop for a mistake, even a stupid one like this with the taunts you and the others are making make me angry. I am joining that honorable profression and I can't stand the likes of you poking at people who put their lives on the line to keep you safe.

Do I see a cop throwing themselves in front of me to keep people from
shooting me? No. They're still public servants and get all the kool
NFA toys in their trunks. Fuck that shit.

[Ted]

ANYONE who insults a cop for a mistake, even a stupid one like this with the taunts you and the others are making make me angry. I am joining that honorable profression and I can't stand the likes of you poking at people who put their lives on the line to keep you safe.

Actually, in the US, they are not there for the protection of people, but for the protection of property.

[Alyeska]

Do you know ANYTHING else about these people? Believe it or not, people make stupid mistakes and some times they pay for it with their lives.

Since when are we obligated to feel sorry for the idiots that kill themselves with their own stupidity? They didn't think what they did through and paid for it. I feel no sorrow and minimal sympathy for these people for the simple reason: they should have known better. We have a brain for a reason and it's not to keep our heads from caving in.

They should have known better. Indeed they should. Doesn't stop smart people from making dumb mistakes. Depending on the situation, the situation can indeed be funny. But finding it *funny* when a cop forgets to indentify herself and is shot, then INSULTING her AND her child is not acceptable. The circumstances of the people who went ice fishing did not check the ice thickness, did not pay attention to the temperature, and probably didn't even note the time of year. That is a combination of idiot mistakes. This police officer made a SINGLE mistake, something we all do. We ALL forget something at some point. This officer was unlucky that THIS is when she forgot somtehing and she nearly paid for it with her life. Insulting and demeaning her for a mistake that did NOT harm other people really pisses me off. Dragging her CHILD into this makes it all the worse.

[MKSheppard]

Actually, in the US, they are not there for the protection of people, but for the protection of property.

Yep. the first police forces were started in the 1840s/1850s after the
great nationalist uprisings all over Europe to keep the inner city peons
in line....

[Alyeska]

ANYONE who insults a cop for a mistake, even a stupid one like this with the taunts you and the others are making make me angry. I am joining that honorable profression and I can't stand the likes of you poking at people who put their lives on the line to keep you safe.

Actually, in the US, they are not there for the protection of people, but for the protection of property.

Really. Then why can you call the police when your life is in danger? Why do police prevent murders from commiting crimes? Ever hear of the term "To Serve and Protect". They are serving and protecting the people.

[MKSheppard]

Snip Drooling Cop Drivel

Yeah Yeah Yeah

Please tell me how the police did their job here in maryland when an FBI
agent shot a teenager in the face with an M-4 Carbine for the crime of
unbuckling his seatbelt and WALKED.

Cops walk away from shit that would have all of us in the slammer for
2 to 5.

Hell, I refer to the Prince George's County Police as Nature's way of keeping
the Black Man down, since they've shot 4 people in the last week or so...

[Alyeska]

ANYONE who insults a cop for a mistake, even a stupid one like this with the taunts you and the others are making make me angry. I am joining that honorable profression and I can't stand the likes of you poking at people who put their lives on the line to keep you safe.

Do I see a cop throwing themselves in front of me to keep people from
shooting me? No. They're still public servants and get all the kool
NFA toys in their trunks. Fuck that shit.

Some cops DO put themselves in the line to protect others. Other cops merely shoot the individual. The only cops directed to take a bullet are Diplomatic Protection Service and Secret Service agents when it comes to their principles. They are public servants protecting YOU. How long do you really think you would live if all the cops just disapeared?

[Alyeska]

Snip Drooling Cop Drivel

Yeah Yeah Yeah

Please tell me how the police did their job here in maryland when an FBI
agent shot a teenager in the face with an M-4 Carbine for the crime of
unbuckling his seatbelt and WALKED.

Cops walk away from shit that would have all of us in the slammer for
2 to 5.

And OJ Simpson walked away as well. Shit does happen, it is not nice, nor is it funny, but it happens.

[MKSheppard]

How long do you really think you would live if all the cops just disapeared?

Pretty damn long once I strung up the first couple of Looters from our tree
in the front yard with a sign hanging off them saying LOOTERS WILL BE SHOT WITHOUT WARNING.

[Ted]

Actually, in the US, they are not there for the protection of people, but for the protection of property.

Really. Then why can you call the police when your life is in danger? Why do police prevent murders from commiting crimes? Ever hear of the term "To Serve and Protect". They are serving and protecting the people.

The US Supreme Court ruled last year that the police forces are not for the protection of people, but for the protection of property.

[MKSheppard]

And OJ Simpson walked away as well. Shit does happen, it is not nice, nor is it funny, but it happens.

Ah, but you forget how EVERY shooting a cop does, will ALWAYS be ruled
a "Good Shoot" by the Board of Review, even shit like Amidilou Diallo, for
fucks sake they found BULLET exit wounds on his fucking FEET....

Worst that can happen to a cop if they shoot someone is they get unpaid
leave for a week at most, and then they're back at work.

For us other peons its a different matter.

[ArmorPierce]

Methinks that MKShepperd is a anarchist

[Alyeska]

And OJ Simpson walked away as well. Shit does happen, it is not nice, nor is it funny, but it happens.

Ah, but you forget how EVERY shooting a cop does, will ALWAYS be ruled
a "Good Shoot" by the Board of Review, even shit like Amidilou Diallo, for
fucks sake they found BULLET exit wounds on his fucking FEET....

Worst that can happen to a cop if they shoot someone is they get unpaid
leave for a week at most, and then they're back at work.

For us other peons its a different matter.

Every cop has walked? Hardly. Many cops have been punished for even outright murder. New Orleans had a big problem with corrupt cops and they finally locked a lot of them away. There is somewhat of an oldboy network but police agencies are trying to change this and nail the bad cops or the ones who fucked up and killed someone in the process.

[Ted]

Methinks that MKShepperd is a anarchist

Thats what the government wants you to think anarchy is.

In fact it'snot like that at all.

[MKSheppard]

Every cop has walked? Hardly. Many cops have been punished for even outright murder.

Oh bullshit. The list of incompetent cops killing people goes on and on.

Here in the area, the Prince George's County KKKops are notirious.

They once shot a black woman who was having a seizure.....INSIDE HER LOCKED CAR. and no one was fired or imprisioned because of that...

[Alyeska]

Actually, in the US, they are not there for the protection of people, but for the protection of property.

Really. Then why can you call the police when your life is in danger? Why do police prevent murders from commiting crimes? Ever hear of the term "To Serve and Protect". They are serving and protecting the people.

The US Supreme Court ruled last year that the police forces are not for the protection of people, but for the protection of property.

Then the Supreme Court is wrong. If what the Supreme Court said was true, then that would mean the police would never inestigate murderers, rapists, etc... The fact that the Police enforce the law as it pertains to human saftey is a clear indication that the job of the police is to enforce the law and protect the people.

[MKSheppard]

Methinks that MKShepperd is a anarchist

I'm just a hard core conservative right winger.....

[Alyeska]

Every cop has walked? Hardly. Many cops have been punished for even outright murder.

Oh bullshit. The list of incompetent cops killing people goes on and on.

Here in the area, the Prince George's County KKKops are notirious.

They once shot a black woman who was having a seizure.....INSIDE HER LOCKED CAR. and no one was fired or imprisioned because of that...

Lets see. Did I claim that all cops are punished? Nope. So shut the fuck up Shep. I said cops DO get punished and that police agencies are trying to punish them more often to get the corrupt ones out. There is still a problem, and it likely will continue to exist for a very long time. But your claim that corrupt cops are never nailed for their crimes is clearly a false one.

All I have seen you do in this thread is demonize the police. You laugh at the injurred cop, insult her child, and claim that the police is nothing but an old boy network that always lets its own get away scott free. Your a freaking conspiracy nut and you have no evidence nor any rationale argument for your side.

[MKSheppard]

Your a freaking conspiracy nut and you have no evidence nor any rationale argument for your side.

http://www.hrea.org/lists/hr-headlines/ ... 00584.html

AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL rips into the PG County Police Dept' in that screed.

[Alyeska]

Your a freaking conspiracy nut and you have no evidence nor any rationale argument for your side.

http://www.hrea.org/lists/hr-headlines/ ... 00584.html

AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL rips into the PG County Police Dept' in that screed.

And do you have evidence that 100% of bad cops have walked away? Do you have evidence that every single police force in the US is corrupt? That link is meaningless because it does not support your claims.

[aerius]

Actually, in the US, they are not there for the protection of people, but for the protection of property.

Really. Then why can you call the police when your life is in danger? Why do police prevent murders from commiting crimes? Ever hear of the term "To Serve and Protect". They are serving and protecting the people.

The US Supreme Court ruled last year that the police forces are not for the protection of people, but for the protection of property.

It's not as simple as that. As I understand the ruling the police are not required to assist you when you call for help. The effect of the ruling is that you can't sue your police department when they don't respond to your call for help, and that they can't be held liable for damages caused by the criminal. In effect it got rid of some frivolous lawsuits where the "victims" had been crying wolf or were known criminals and the police didn't feel they needed to respond to them.

You could interpret it to mean that the police don't have to respond to you at all, but it's generally understood that the cops still have an obligation to deal with your calls for help.

[MKSheppard]

http://story.herald-citizen.com/newssto ... +%5bcr=gdn

Mary Jo Denton
Herald-Citizen Staff

It was the most traumatic experience the Smoak family of North Carolina has ever had, and it happened yesterday afternoon as they traveled through Cookeville on their way home from a vacation in Nashville.
Before their ordeal was over, three members of the family had been yanked out of their car and handcuffed on the side of Interstate 40 in downtown Cookeville, and their beloved dog, Patton, had been shot to death by a police officer as they watched.

What was their crime?

There was no crime.

But a passerby with a cell phone apparently assumed a crime had occurred when a wallet flew from a car on Interstate 40 near Nashville.

That citizen called police and inadvertently set in motion what would make it the most horrible vacation the James Smoak family of Saluda, North Carolina, has ever had.

Today, the Smoak children and their parents were still weeping over what happened to them in Cookeville.

By today, they had also filed complaints with two police agencies, prompting internal investigations, they had met with Tennessee Highway Patrol Capt. Randy Hoover, and they were on their way to talk to Cookeville Mayor Charles Womack.

Because official internal investigations are underway at the Tennessee Highway Patrol and at the Cookeville Police Dept., the Herald-Citizen was unable to get details of those two agencies' accounts of the incident.

But the Smoak family willingly told their story to anyone who would listen; they hope by doing so that something might be done to prevent it from happening to another family.

James Smoak, 38, who was traveling in the family station wagon with his wife, Pamela, their 17-year-old son, Brandon, and the family's two pet bulldogs, Patton and Cassie, had lost his wallet after stopping for gas as they left Davidson County on Wednesday afternoon.

But he didn't know he lost it. Apparently, he had placed it on top of the car while pumping gas, and it flew off somewhere on the highway a short time later.

Not knowing his wallet was lost, he and his family traveled on, heading east on their way home to North Carolina.

A few cars behind James and Pamela's station wagon, his parents and the two younger Smoak children were traveling in the elder Smoak's car.

Just a few miles east of Cookeville, James Smoak began to notice that a THP squad car was following him, though the officer was not pulling him over, just staying behind him, changing lanes any time Smoak did, moving in and out of traffic each time Smoak did.

"It was obvious he was looking at me, not at other vehicles, and I'm thinking I must have done something (in my driving), but I don't know what," Smoak said today.

When Smoak reached the 287 exit area in Cookeville, three other police cars suddenly appeared, and the trooper then turned on blue lights and pulled the Smoak car over.

"I immediately pulled to the side, and expecting him to come to the window, I started reaching for my wallet to get my license and it was not there," Smoak said.

About that time, he heard the officer broadcast orders over a bullhorn, telling him to toss the keys out the car window and get out with his hands up and walk backwards to the rear of the car.

Still not knowing what he was being stopped for, Smoak obeyed, and when he reached the back of the car, with a gun pointed at Smoak, the trooper ordered him to get on his knees, face the back of the car and put his head down.

When he did that, the officer handcuffed him and placed him in the patrol car. Then the same orders were blared over the bullhorn to "passenger" and Pamela Smoak got out with her hands up, was ordered to the ground, held at gunpoint, and handcuffed. Next, Brandon was ordered out and handcuffed in the same way.

Terrified at what was happening to them for no reason they knew, the family was also immediately concerned about their two pet dogs being left in the car there on the highway with the car doors open.

"We kept asking the officers -- there were several officers by now -- to close the car doors because of our dogs, but they didn't do it," said Pamela Smoak.

And as the officers worked in the late evening darkness, their weapons drawn as the Smoaks were being handcuffed, the dog Patton came out of the car and headed toward one of the Cookeville Police officers who was assisting the THP.

"That officer had a flashlight on his shotgun, and the dog was going toward that light and the officer shot him, just blew his head off," said Pamela Smoak.

"We had begged them to shut the car doors so our dogs wouldn't get out, and they didn't do that."

As the dog was heading out of the car toward the officer, "we had yelled, begging them to let us get him, but the officer shot him," she said.

Grieving for their dog and in shock over their apparent arrest for some unknown crime, the family could only wait. At one point, one state trooper did tell them they "matched the description" in a robbery that had occurred in Davidson County, Pamela Smoak said.

The ordeal went on for a time after that, the family terrified and in grief over the dog.

Finally, after a time, someone in authority figured out that the officers here had stopped and were holding the very family that someone in Davidson County had assumed had been robbed, though how that assumption grew to the authorization for a felony stop, James Smoak cannot understand, he said today.

"Finally, they asked me my name and I told them my name, date of birth, and other information, and they talked by radio to someone in Davidson County and finally realized that a mistake had been made," he said.

"A lady in Davidson County had seen that wallet fly off our car and had seen money coming out of it and going all over the road, and somehow that became a felony and they made a felony stop, but no robbery or felony had happened," Pamela Smoak said.

"Apparently, they had listened to some citizen with a cell phone and let her play detective down there," said James Smoak.

"Here we are just a family on vacation, and we had to suffer this."

When the officers did discover the mistake, "they said, 'Okay, we're releasing you and we're sorry,'" Smoak said.

As soon as Brandon was released from the handcuffs, he rushed over to the dead dog and began to cry, Smoak said.

And that's when one of the most infuriating parts of the ordeal happened, according to James Smoak.

"I saw one of the THP officers walk over to the city officer who had shot the dog and grin," he said.

He reported that to the supervising officer, THP Lt. Jerry Andrews, and Andrews "was very nice, very professional," Smoak said.

"He told me the officer was not laughing, but I know he was," said Smoak.

Smoak's parents had come along behind the other car and had seen all the commotion and stopped too, and now all three children were crying over their pet dog, as they were still doing today.

The Smoaks gathered the body of their pet and went to a motel here to spend the night. But they didn't get much rest, and at one point, James Smoak became so upset he had to go to the hospital for medical treatment.

They also worked throughout last night to contact all the authorities they could in order to lodge their complaints about what had happened.

Today, Beth Womack, a THP spokesperson in Nashville, told the H-C that an Internal Affairs investigation is underway and that every effort will be made to "find out exactly what happened and why."

"As I understand it, a report was made in Davidson County to our officers that this car had been seen leaving at a high rate of speed and that a significant amount of money had come out of the car and someone became suspicious," she said.

An internal investigation is also underway at the Cookeville Police Dept., Capt. Nathan Honeycutt told the H-C today.

James Smoak wonders about the logic of "a robber who would be tossing the money out of the car."

He also wonders about police procedure that would "take this insinuation from a citizen" and "turn it into what happened to us."

"Out there after they handcuffed us at gunpoint and put us in the police cars, they did not ask for ID, and later on, they actually released us just on my word about my identity, with only the confirmation by radio from an officer in Davidson County who was looking at my lost wallet and the ID in it down there," he said. "What if I actually had been a robber and not just a family man on vacation?"

His children hope they never come to Tennessee for another vacation.

"Poor Patton," said 13-year-old Jeb Smoak. "When he was killed out there, it was the first time I ever saw my brother, Brandon, cry. Brandon is the toughest person I've ever met, and he cried."

The other dog, a puppy named Cassie, was "trembling all over" after the ordeal, Jeb Smoak said.

"She's being real quiet today. She knows we're all grieving."

James Smoak, though still deeply upset today, said he understands that "the officer will say the dog was coming after him."

But it could all have been prevented, didn't have to happen, he is convinced.

In addition to telling his family's story to Capt. Randy Hoover, who "was very nice and very professional," and to a Cookeville Police official last night and to Mayor Womack today, Smoak also plans to tell his lawyer, he said.

"And I also want to tell it to the Tennessee Department of Tourism," he said.

Published January 02, 2003 11:54 AM CST

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