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Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-05-19 10:50pm

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I know its an old subject and yadadadada, but if you watched some of the episodes, you would know that the Enterprise D's phaser drilled throught the planets surface at a very fast speed, so if the Enterprise's power is 3.6 Gb and the slave 1's is 3000 (at least) that how come the planets don't explode. The firepower would be big enough that if a blow that missed and hit a planet will drill a hole to the planet's core and detonate all the magma.If the Star Destroyers are that strong, them why do ships that are pretty damn small even dare to go against multiple miniships vs multiple super big ship. And in Star Wars Attack of the clones, the seismic charge or whatever it is DID NOT destroy all the asteroids in the field. Second, if Luke and Obi-wan Kenobi can use the force, why don't they just use the force and cause and imbalance of overload in the Deathstar's or Stardestroyers power core. Darth Vader isn't on all the star destroyers. And in Star Wars IV A New Hope, Darth Vader DIDN'T EVEN KNOW that Obi-wan Kenobi was on the Deathstar. In Star Wars VI The Return of the Jedi or something, one of the ships crashed into the bridge of a stardestroyer. If the Star Destroyers shields are that strong, there shouldn't have been any hull damage to the ship. So the only conclusion is that the power measurements between Star Trek and Star Wars is not calibrated, or you might have been underrating Star Treks phaser power. And what the hell were those things that were loading clonetroopers on to and the end of Star Wars II Attack of the Clones. And where the hell were all those Jedi's. Surely out of the at least thirty in a big Jedi HQ must have been able to stop Anakin from his rampage in Star Wars III. You're probably not going to post this up are you. And are there even inertial dampeners on Star Wars, because if there isn't, ( especially when Obi-Wan Kenobi's on the miniscule ship) how come the crew of those ships aren't turned to mush. Why destroy entire planets when you can just bombard the planets to use as extra bases. Yeah I don't think there is anything else. (GO STAR WARS[although i have defied the force])I am just pointing out truthfully about these ... possible mistakes.

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Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-05-19 10:56pm

Hotmailer wrote:Prepare for a very long e-mail.

I know its an old subject and yadadadada, but if you watched some of the episodes, you would know that the Enterprise D's phaser drilled throught the planets surface at a very fast speed, so if the Enterprise's power is 3.6 Gb and the slave 1's is 3000 (at least) that how come the planets don't explode. The firepower would be big enough that if a blow that missed and hit a planet will drill a hole to the planet's core and detonate all the magma.

If the Star Destroyers are that strong, them why do ships that are pretty damn small even dare to go against multiple miniships vs multiple super big ship. And in Star Wars Attack of the clones, the seismic charge or whatever it is DID NOT destroy all the asteroids in the field.

Second, if Luke and Obi-wan Kenobi can use the force, why don't they just use the force and cause and imbalance of overload in the Deathstar's or Stardestroyers power core. Darth Vader isn't on all the star destroyers. And in Star Wars IV A New Hope, Darth Vader DIDN'T EVEN KNOW that Obi-wan Kenobi was on the Deathstar.

In Star Wars VI The Return of the Jedi or something, one of the ships crashed into the bridge of a stardestroyer. If the Star Destroyers shields are that strong, there shouldn't have been any hull damage to the ship. So the only conclusion is that the power measurements between Star Trek and Star Wars is not calibrated, or you might have been underrating Star Treks phaser power.

And what the hell were those things that were loading clonetroopers on to and the end of Star Wars II Attack of the Clones.

And where the hell were all those Jedi's. Surely out of the at least thirty in a big Jedi HQ must have been able to stop Anakin from his rampage in Star Wars III. You're probably not going to post this up are you.

And are there even inertial dampeners on Star Wars, because if there isn't, ( especially when Obi-Wan Kenobi's on the miniscule ship) how come the crew of those ships aren't turned to mush.

Why destroy entire planets when you can just bombard the planets to use as extra bases. Yeah I don't think there is anything else. (GO STAR WARS[although i have defied the force])I am just pointing out truthfully about these ... possible mistakes.

Oh... dear?

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2007-05-19 10:59pm

Let's break this down a tad...

Prepare for a very long e-mail.

I know its an old subject and yadadadada, but if you watched some of the episodes, you would know that the Enterprise D's phaser drilled throught the planets surface at a very fast speed, so if the Enterprise's power is 3.6 Gb and the slave 1's is 3000 (at least) that how come the planets don't explode.

The firepower would be big enough that if a blow that missed and hit a planet will drill a hole to the planet's core and detonate all the magma.If the Star Destroyers are that strong, them why do ships that are pretty damn small even dare to go against multiple miniships vs multiple super big ship?

And in Star Wars Attack of the clones, the seismic charge or whatever it is DID NOT destroy all the asteroids in the field.

Second, if Luke and Obi-wan Kenobi can use the force, why don't they just use the force and cause and imbalance of overload in the Deathstar's or Stardestroyers power core. Darth Vader isn't on all the star destroyers.

And in Star Wars IV A New Hope, Darth Vader DIDN'T EVEN KNOW that Obi-wan Kenobi was on the Deathstar.

In Star Wars VI The Return of the Jedi or something, one of the ships crashed into the bridge of a stardestroyer. If the Star Destroyers shields are that strong, there shouldn't have been any hull damage to the ship. So the only conclusion is that the power measurements between Star Trek and Star Wars is not calibrated, or you might have been underrating Star Treks phaser power.

And what the hell were those things that were loading clonetroopers on to and the end of Star Wars II Attack of the Clones. And where the hell were all those Jedi's. Surely out of the at least thirty in a big Jedi HQ must have been able to stop Anakin from his rampage in Star Wars III.

You're probably not going to post this up are you? And are there even inertial dampeners on Star Wars, because if there isn't, ( especially when Obi-Wan Kenobi's on the miniscule ship) how come the crew of those ships aren't turned to mush? Why destroy entire planets when you can just bombard the planets to use as extra bases? Yeah I don't think there is anything else. (GO STAR WARS[although i have defied the force])I am just pointing out truthfully about these ... possible mistakes.

It still doesn't make any sense, but it's at least a tad more readable.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-05-19 11:04pm

Uh-oh. I shall add analysis to make my redundant breakdown less useless.

Ignoring the 'detonating magma' part for now, he thinks that Force users should be able to destroy the Death Star with their minds. He thinks that the A-wing crash shows weak shields because it damaged the hull. He doesn't seem to know what a troop transport is, and is incredulous that Anakin could have purged the Jedi temple alone. These are all characterised as Mike's 'errors'.

He doesn't know if SW has inertial dampers, because if there isn't all the main characters would be dead. And he seems to be serious. Also planetary bombardment is bad because you need the planet for bases.

Scottish Ninja · Post by **Scottish Ninja** » 2007-05-19 11:31pm

Incoherent mess with no sense of purpose; just rambles on from point to point. Class "shotgun" method of debating.

I know its an old subject and yadadadada, but if you watched some of the episodes, you would know that the Enterprise D's phaser drilled throught the planets surface at a very fast speed, so if the Enterprise's power is 3.6 Gb and the slave 1's is 3000 (at least) that how come the planets don't explode.

I have little idea what he's referring to here. Note how he just says "some of the episodes". Perhaps if we were actually provided with a source we could properly deal with this.

The firepower would be big enough that if a blow that missed and hit a planet will drill a hole to the planet's core and detonate all the magma. If the Star Destroyers are that strong, them why do ships that are pretty damn small even dare to go against multiple miniships vs multiple super big ship?

Thanks, I needed a little bit more stupid in my day. As for the fighter points - they don't; they go up against other fighters, and can also hit smaller, weaker, point targets on capital ships, like sensors and comms arrays.

And in Star Wars Attack of the clones, the seismic charge or whatever it is DID NOT destroy all the asteroids in the field.

No one's claiming that it did. It destroyed a sufficient amount for us to put a high value on its destructive properties.

Second, if Luke and Obi-wan Kenobi can use the force, why don't they just use the force and cause and imbalance of overload in the Deathstar's or Stardestroyers power core. Darth Vader isn't on all the star destroyers.

The Force isn't exactly all-powerful - certainly not enough to move around super-dense matter in quantities enough to destroy reactors.

And in Star Wars IV A New Hope, Darth Vader DIDN'T EVEN KNOW that Obi-wan Kenobi was on the Deathstar.

ANH Script wrote:INTERIOR: DEATH STAR -- CONFERENCE ROOM.

Darth Vader paces the room as Governor Tarkin sits at the far
end of the conference table.

VADER: He is here...

TARKIN: Obi-Wan Kenobi! What makes you think so?

VADER: A tremor in the Force. The last time I felt it was in the
presence of my old master.

Yeah, right.

In Star Wars VI The Return of the Jedi or something, one of the ships crashed into the bridge of a stardestroyer. If the Star Destroyers shields are that strong, there shouldn't have been any hull damage to the ship. So the only conclusion is that the power measurements between Star Trek and Star Wars is not calibrated, or you might have been underrating Star Treks phaser power.

Did he miss the whole "entire fleet blasting the Executor and knocking out its bridge shields" part?

The Return of the Jedi or something

Probably.

And what the hell were those things that were loading clonetroopers on to and the end of Star Wars II Attack of the Clones.

Troop transports! Acclamator-class troop transports! What kind of a dumb question is this? What is he trying to prove?

And where the hell were all those Jedi's. Surely out of the at least thirty in a big Jedi HQ must have been able to stop Anakin from his rampage in Star Wars III.

Actually, pretty much all of the ones who might have been able to defeat the person who was just about the most powerful Force user in the galaxy were off, ya know, leading troops in the field.

And are there even inertial dampeners on Star Wars, because if there isn't, ( especially when Obi-Wan Kenobi's on the miniscule ship) how come the crew of those ships aren't turned to mush?[/quote.

Of course there are inertial dampeners. That's why the crews aren't turned to mush. Good job answering your own question.

Why destroy entire planets when you can just bombard the planets to use as extra bases?
Several reasons - one, it can take a very long time to batter down planetary shields; two, the Death Star was primarily a terror weapon. Destroying planets was intended to bring the others into line. Three, it takes a vast amount of troops to actually secure a planet, and you still can't land them until the shield's down.

Yeah I don't think there is anything else. (GO STAR WARS[although i have defied the force])
Except he didn't exactly have anything in the first place.

I am just pointing out truthfully about these ... possible mistakes.

The only person making mistakes is him. And I think he wanted "moronically", not "truthfully", with his woeful understanding of the movies.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-05-19 11:35pm

Scottish Ninja wrote:
I know its an old subject and yadadadada, but if you watched some of the episodes, you would know that the Enterprise D's phaser drilled throught the planets surface at a very fast speed, so if the Enterprise's power is 3.6 Gb and the slave 1's is 3000 (at least) that how come the planets don't explode.
I have little idea what he's referring to here. Note how he just says "some of the episodes". Perhaps if we were actually provided with a source we could properly deal with this.

There is an ep where they drill a hole down some kilometers. The weapons are specially modified for the job, and it takes some time (Geordi counts out the depth as they go).

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2007-05-20 12:09am

Some Idiot Kid wrote:so if the Enterprise's power is 3.6 Gb and the slave 1's is 3000 (at least) that how come the planets don't explode. The firepower would be big enough that if a blow that missed and hit a planet will drill a hole to the planet's core and detonate all the magma

Hmm... Pardon me for a moment.

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Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-05-20 12:14am

Remember, the Enterprise's power is 3.6 gigabytes.

TC Pilot · Post by **TC Pilot** » 2007-05-20 12:31am

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2007-05-20 01:19am

Stark wrote:Remember, the Enterprise's power is 3.6 gigabytes.

Gigabits, sir.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-05-20 01:24am

phongn wrote:Gigabits, sir.

Dammit! I fail SI units!

I was... er... just trying to help him talk up the numbers?

I don't understand why he lists several items that are what he considers problems with the movies, not any analysis. How is that Mike's fault?

Jericho Kross · Post by **Jericho Kross** » 2007-05-20 02:26am

Some people just don't get a fucking clue do they?

TC Pilot · Post by **TC Pilot** » 2007-05-20 02:33am

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2007-05-20 03:06am

Post this fucker's address, Mike!!

Starglider · Post by **Starglider** » 2007-05-20 10:48am

That did cause me to realise one thing I hadn't previously; the 'rapid repeat off-axis low-power shots' capability of the DSII would be good for quickly taking out strong planetary shields without damaging the surface too badly, as well as potting capships. So it's not solely a terror weapon.

CaptHawkeye · Post by **CaptHawkeye** » 2007-05-20 11:28am

how come the crew of those ships aren't turned to mush?

Ah, so he's going to casually ignore SoD. I've encountered quite a few people on Gamespot who like to think that because Star Trek "explains" its technology, it is more realistic. And therefore better than Wars' tech which they claim is "magic".

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2007-05-20 11:35am

So from that we can basically extrapolate that Slave 1 with it's 3000 gigs can hold more porn than the E-D, hell my PSP holds more porn than the Enterprise apparently.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-05-20 03:45pm

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:Post this fucker's address, Mike!!

Seconded. I'd love to shove this tards stupidity back in his piehole. The bit where he thinks magma will "detonate" is priceless.

Yuri2356 · Post by **Yuri2356** » 2007-05-20 04:54pm

so if the Enterprise's power is 3.6 Gb and the slave 1's is 3000 (at least) that how come the planets don't explode. The firepower would be big enough that if a blow that missed and hit a planet will drill a hole to the planet's core and detonate all the magma

So, if 3000 Gigabits can blow up a planet, then... oh no... There's enough memory in my house to blow up the Ocean!

Post by **NecronLord** » 2007-05-20 06:40pm

Now; where did we put those estimates of R2D2's memory capacity?

Cao Cao · Post by **Cao Cao** » 2007-05-20 07:04pm

Moron wrote:Second, if Luke and Obi-wan Kenobi can use the force, why don't they just use the force and cause and imbalance of overload in the Deathstar's or Stardestroyers power core. Darth Vader isn't on all the star destroyers. And in Star Wars IV A New Hope, Darth Vader DIDN'T EVEN KNOW that Obi-wan Kenobi was on the Deathstar.

Yeah man. They should like fly around Matrix style and.. and shoot fireballs from their hands and lazers out of their eyes!
And they should be able to crush Star Destroyers with a thought and EAT planets for breakfast. But they don't, so Jedi are LAME! I don't care that this doesn't have anything to do with anything.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-05-20 11:14pm

Because I have a few minutes to kill...

The latest trektard wrote:Prepare for a very long e-mail.

412 words isn't that long. I wrote far more in a standard school essay years ago.

I know its an old subject and yadadadada, but if you watched some of the episodes, you would know that the Enterprise D's phaser drilled throught the planets surface at a very fast speed, so if the Enterprise's power is 3.6 Gb and the slave 1's is 3000 (at least) that how come the planets don't explode. The firepower would be big enough that if a blow that missed and hit a planet will drill a hole to the planet's core and detonate all the magma.

Magma doesn't "detonate". Stop watching so much Star Trek and start paying more attention in science class. Have you even gotten that far in school yet or are you still working on learning your multiplication tables?

If the Star Destroyers are that strong, them why do ships that are pretty damn small even dare to go against multiple miniships vs multiple super big ship.

Fighters don't. Not with out their own multiple big-ships backing them up.

And in Star Wars Attack of the clones, the seismic charge or whatever it is DID NOT destroy all the asteroids in the field.

Who said it did destroy "all" the asteroids. Just all the ones within the planar blast radius.

Second, if Luke and Obi-wan Kenobi can use the force, why don't they just use the force and cause and imbalance of overload in the Deathstar's or Stardestroyers power core.

Show us where an ISD's power core is that unstable. Once again, stop basing arguments on Trek precidence where staring at the warp core the wrong way can make the thing go boom.

Darth Vader isn't on all the star destroyers. And in Star Wars IV A New Hope, Darth Vader DIDN'T EVEN KNOW that Obi-wan Kenobi was on the Deathstar.

Out-right lie. Relevant quotes already provided by another member.

In Star Wars VI The Return of the Jedi or something, one of the ships crashed into the bridge of a stardestroyer. If the Star Destroyers shields are that strong, there shouldn't have been any hull damage to the ship.

The shields were DOWN. Try watching the movie with your eyes and ears instead of your ass.

Imperial officer: Sir, we've lost our bridge deflector shields.

So the only conclusion is that the power measurements between Star Trek and Star Wars is not calibrated, or you might have been underrating Star Treks phaser power.

Or you are an uneducated moron who doesn't even know what power is.

And what the hell were those things that were loading clonetroopers on to and the end of Star Wars II Attack of the Clones.

Acclamator troop transports.

And where the hell were all those Jedi's. Surely out of the at least thirty in a big Jedi HQ must have been able to stop Anakin from his rampage in Star Wars III.

They kind of had their hands full dealing with the large numbers of clone troops Anakin brought with him.

You're probably not going to post this up are you.

Why shouldn't he? Mike makes it policy to post retarded email like yours for the mocking.

And are there even inertial dampeners on Star Wars, because if there isn't, ( especially when Obi-Wan Kenobi's on the miniscule ship) how come the crew of those ships aren't turned to mush.

Um, maybe because there ARE inertial dampeners on SW ships?

Why destroy entire planets when you can just bombard the planets to use as extra bases.

To send a message to the rest of the galaxy to not mess around with the authorities.

Yeah I don't think there is anything else. (GO STAR WARS[although i have defied the force])I am just pointing out truthfully about these ... possible mistakes.

Then I'm sure you won't mind us pointing out truthfully the idiocy about your email.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2007-05-20 11:23pm

Yuri2356 wrote:
so if the Enterprise's power is 3.6 Gb and the slave 1's is 3000 (at least) that how come the planets don't explode. The firepower would be big enough that if a blow that missed and hit a planet will drill a hole to the planet's core and detonate all the magma
So, if 3000 Gigabits can blow up a planet, then... oh no... There's enough memory in my house to blow up the Ocean!

Ha, I laugh at that. The memory in my iMac is enough to blow up the sun itself!

Invictus ChiKen · Post by **Invictus ChiKen** » 2007-05-21 01:53am

Mike this made my brain go 'splody...

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2007-05-22 01:29pm

Maybe when he said "detonate the magma" he was actually talking about NDF but just used the wrong terminology.

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