Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice (Un-shrunken Spoilers Herein)

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Starglider wrote:I haven't read any of her books but this woman does sound like a delusional obsessive fanfic writer rather than any sort of professional. Is there some political/contacts reason why she got the job? Were there seriously no better or at least sane writers prepared to take it on? Has anyone done an honest FAQ on her yet?
Her first book honestly was a good read. It was tightly written and from the perspective of a Clone Trooper. A little grandiose for the character, but nothing compared to her further works. No Mand'oa wanking and the characters came off as something you could see in the movies as backgrounders.

Later on she goes into the *3 million* number because it was handed to her, from on high. She never once makes any contention(even though she claims she was a professional military journalist) and then when fans start to complain...well you get Talifan and such not. Wayne Poe and a few others here have had far more intimate battles with the hag and can explain in further detail.

As to why does she still writes? Because Sheep still buy and praise her.
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Amen. Republic Commando was a fantastic book. But she let the that praise from that single work go straight to her head, got up on a high horse, and then just started to muck about trashing everything in sight.
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Kuja wrote:Amen. Republic Commando was a fantastic book. But she let the that praise from that single work go straight to her head, got up on a high horse, and then just started to muck about trashing everything in sight.
Careful, there's (IIRC) three Republic Commando books, I think you mean Hard Contact?
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Three? Jesus fuck. I can't wait for the Animated Clone Wars series to completely overwrite her 3 million clones and "It was all a fake war!" bullshit.
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Clearly, if Jacen wanted to kill Mara in a cool way, he should have used Boba Fett. And then Fett could have killed Lumiya for Luke.

Hell, why not just make it "Mandalorians vs Jedi" I mean its not as if Ben wasn't jealous of Mandalorian kids in "Bloodlines" - make Fett into the Punisher of the Star Wars universe!
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Wait, when/why was Ben jealous of Mando boys?
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Connor MacLeod wrote:Clearly, if Jacen wanted to kill Mara in a cool way, he should have used Boba Fett. And then Fett could have killed Lumiya for Luke.

Hell, why not just make it "Mandalorians vs Jedi" I mean its not as if Ben wasn't jealous of Mandalorian kids in "Bloodlines" - make Fett into the Punisher of the Star Wars universe!
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General Schatten wrote:
Kuja wrote:Amen. Republic Commando was a fantastic book. But she let the that praise from that single work go straight to her head, got up on a high horse, and then just started to muck about trashing everything in sight.
Careful, there's (IIRC) three Republic Commando books, I think you mean Hard Contact?
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:Wait, when/why was Ben jealous of Mando boys?
Because their Spartan Warriors touch them in naughty places. :P
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So, Mara Jade - the only apparently good character in the EU minus Grand Adm. Thrawn - is dead.

I'm more and more content with my own decision to stop buying this crap and get rid of what I have minus Zahn and illustrated/technical guides.
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As an aside, I now know R2 will survive LOTF because he is presented to Cade Skywalker in 137 ABY as an old servant of his family. I know connecting everything left and right is frowned upon by virtually everyone here, but this is one thing I liked, since R2's the fairy tale teller, being present to record everything. Now he gets yet another chance.
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VT-16 wrote:As an aside, I now know R2 will survive LOTF because he is presented to Cade Skywalker in 137 ABY as an old servant of his family. I know connecting everything left and right is frowned upon by virtually everyone here, but this is one thing I liked, since R2's the fairy tale teller, being present to record everything. Now he gets yet another chance.
I strongly believe that he's on the "Never kill" list.
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Well, according to GL in The Making of Star Wars Revenge of the Sith, he has to survive until 104 ABY, when he retells the Skywalker story to the Keeper of the Whills, so I guess he's cleared to appear later on as well. :P
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They killed Mara Jade? DAMN THEM! :evil: :evil: :evil:

She deserves to live, I tell you. [/i]
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Personally i dont give a flying fuck about Mara Jade. I never took to any of teh EU characters and watching the EU crash and burn only means nothing to me. I never cared for it anyway, it's only recently i find i cant stand it at all.

What i hate is KT Jelly's retarded worldview becoming more and more clear, and it disturbs me that i can now understand her bullshit better in hindsight. It's like suddenly finding you can understand why a dung beetle eats shit.

This...
But then I see Vader as a tragic character who's been betrayed by everyone, and I can't help thinking of the Jedi as self-serving unelected elitist spoon-benders making whoopee on Republic taxpayers' credits. It's an iconoclastic journo world-view. Believe me, Order 66 was long overdue. I have a couple of Jedi that I don't want to shoot on sight, but they're my own creations, so I could make them a little humbler and more aware of the consequences they create for others.
And this...
Boba Fett was sheer bloody joy to write, of course; my Mando boys never let me down. Getting into Jedi heads was that much harder. But I swore I could get into the most repellent characters' heads and see them as they see themselves, so I had to. I still wouldn't trust the Jedi Council with my wallet, let alone with running my country, but you won't spot that in the books. I keep my spoonbenderist views to myself.
Make things like Odds, and the "Jedi+Sith+Palps=OMG Evrybdy FITE FITE FITE!" bullshit somehow make sense in hindsight.

Yes i can understand the story now. She really, truly did watch the movies and think the Sith were the good guys, she really actually did believe the war was somehow on a small scale (perhaps she thought the battles in the film were the only ones that were waged), and she really does think that the Jedi and Palpatine were conspiring together. It's really NOT something she made up to cover her ass, she is just that fucking delusional.
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The only interesting thing about all this, is that after stalling for 5 books, there's finally an all-out war between the former "hero worlds" of the galaxy, and on top of that Luke's struggling with the loss of his wife, basically failing to let go of his attachment to her and having it cloud his judgement. For all his attempts at rebuilding the Jedi Order, he's doing a shoddy job of leading by example.

I guess I like seeing a bittersweet end to his endevours. It just won't have a fairy tale ending, and that's a nice bit of realism, no matter how much they wank Force-powers or make up a new enemy every two years.
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VT-16 wrote:The only interesting thing about all this, is that after stalling for 5 books, there's finally an all-out war between the former "hero worlds" of the galaxy, and on top of that Luke's struggling with the loss of his wife, basically failing to let go of his attachment to her and having it cloud his judgement. For all his attempts at rebuilding the Jedi Order, he's doing a shoddy job of leading by example.

I guess I like seeing a bittersweet end to his endevours. It just won't have a fairy tale ending, and that's a nice bit of realism, no matter how much they wank Force-powers or make up a new enemy every two years.
KT probably loves to destroy our favourite characters.
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:
VT-16 wrote:The only interesting thing about all this, is that after stalling for 5 books, there's finally an all-out war between the former "hero worlds" of the galaxy, and on top of that Luke's struggling with the loss of his wife, basically failing to let go of his attachment to her and having it cloud his judgement. For all his attempts at rebuilding the Jedi Order, he's doing a shoddy job of leading by example.

I guess I like seeing a bittersweet end to his endevours. It just won't have a fairy tale ending, and that's a nice bit of realism, no matter how much they wank Force-powers or make up a new enemy every two years.
KT probably loves to destroy our favourite characters.
Really, have a mentioned just how much i adore Corran Horn. Pilot, Jedi master and all round bad-ass. Please don't kill my beloved Corran Horn Ms Traviss, especiall not by lowering him an inch at a time into molten copper.
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Lord Pounder wrote:Really, have a mentioned just how much i adore Corran Horn. Pilot, Jedi master and all round bad-ass. Please don't kill my beloved Corran Horn Ms Traviss, especiall not by lowering him an inch at a time into molten copper.
LOL!!!

Now if I said my favorite character of all time was Boba Fett, that would really put her in a quandary!
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Lord Poe wrote:
Lord Pounder wrote:Really, have a mentioned just how much i adore Corran Horn. Pilot, Jedi master and all round bad-ass. Please don't kill my beloved Corran Horn Ms Traviss, especiall not by lowering him an inch at a time into molten copper.
LOL!!!

Now if I said my favorite character of all time was Boba Fett, that would really put her in a quandary!
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But then I see Vader as a tragic character who's been betrayed by everyone, and I can't help thinking of the Jedi as self-serving unelected elitist spoon-benders making whoopee on Republic taxpayers' credits. It's an iconoclastic journo world-view. Believe me, Order 66 was long overdue. I have a couple of Jedi that I don't want to shoot on sight, but they're my own creations, so I could make them a little humbler and more aware of the consequences they create for others.
Two other as-yet-unmentioned points of utter retardation stick out here.

First, she refers to the Jedi as spoonbenders. AFAICT, that's a reference to real-like hucksters who fake having psychic powers to sucker the gullible into trusting them, usually in tandem with arguments that these powers were granted by God or gives them some other insight into the future. Unless I missed something in the movies and books, the Jedi actually have these abilities. That doesn't mean they should automatically be regarded as trustworthy, but comparing them with the likes of Uri Geller is just fucking ridiculous. Maybe Traviss thought that all those "Making of Star Wars" specials were in-universe and Jedi only defeat their enemies with the trickery of that mysterious government agency ILM.

Second, she later complains about these self-serving, elitist, arrogant characters being hard to write. I'm not sure how you can argue that the guys who put their powers at the beck and call of elected officials and placed themselves in danger's way for the good of the people for 25 millennia are selfish assholes, but I guess that's why I'm not a professional writer. Anyway, I'll stipulate to the arrogant and elitist charges to some extent, but Jesus, protagonists who suffer this sort of hubris yet are sympathetic are staples of literature going back to goddamn Ancient Greece. It's especially understandable in the context of members of an order that have been successfully defending an entire galaxy for 25,000 years and are guided in part by an ability to see the fucking future. How hard can it be to grasp that frame of mind, especially when there are so many real-life and fictional examples to draw inspiration from if your muse is wanting?

I don't have any huge ax to grind on this issue. I actually liked the first Republic Commando book, Hard Contact, a great deal; it captured the feel of the soldiers very well (in particular reminding me of various SAS accounts and biographies). Even the second (Triple Zero) wasn't bad, though the Mando'a fanboyism was already becoming apparent. The latter was why I skipped any following books -- it didn't take Jedi precognition to see that the Mandalorian worship was going to drown out the previous high points of the writing to the point of becoming inadvertent parody, particularly when the author conflates making up funny new words with creating a unique, fully realized culture. So reading these reviews of the latest Travissty wasn't a fucking shock, but it's disappointing all the same.

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Maybe she's sleeping with David Brin?
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If she said its hard to write Jedi and greatly dislikes them, I don't see how she should be allowed to write novels that are primarily based on jedi. Did whoever hired her fail to think about that?
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Caius wrote:If she said its hard to write Jedi and greatly dislikes them, I don't see how she should be allowed to write novels that are primarily based on jedi. Did whoever hired her fail to think about that?
Since when did the opinion of fans ever matter? They cater to the mass market, not the more discerning bunch.

And with stupidity plaguing the main forums like TF.N, I do not think she will be removed anytime soon.
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I find it amusing she complains about writing about "elitist Jedi" given the way she writes Mandalorians.
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