Heliocentricism - the latest atheist conspiracy

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2007-05-28 03:10pm

Wolfowitz may be down now, but history will remember him as a Promethean figure, languishing as a martyr for helping us all.

How does someone type that and keep a straight face?

CubicleGestapo · Post by **CubicleGestapo** » 2007-05-28 03:46pm

7) The Bible not only flatly states scores of times (HERE) and in several ways (HERE) that the earth does not move, it actually has a built-in geocentric assumption–sun rise, sun set–from beginning to end. (One scholar, a geocentrist and mathematician, is cataloguing some 2000 (!) of these.)

I wonder if he also believes that the world is flat.

Strangly, the few YEC that I do know IRL don't actually go this far. I can call them YEC since they believe the earth is young (eg Satan or God placed the fossils, etc), but they willingly accept that the earth is spherical, rotates on its axis, and revolves around the sun.

I didn't realize there were still people at this extreme end on the Fundie side.

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2007-05-28 10:14pm

Relax people, the internet gives a microphone to even the greatest of morons. Remember that Timecube guy?
None of this means that this represents even a minor portion of the American population.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2007-05-29 03:44am

The Retard wrote:It seems clear that it may occasionally be convenient to assume that the calculations of Copernicus and Kepler were mathematically sound. However, for both moral and theological reasons, we should always bear in mind that the Earth does not move. If it moved, we would feel it moving. That’s called empiricism, the experience of the senses.

You will only feel motion if you're accelerating. Is this moron seriously suggesting that your car stops moving if you turn on cruise control?

Post by **Surlethe** » 2007-05-29 07:16am

Durandal wrote:You will only feel motion if you're accelerating. Is this moron seriously suggesting that your car stops moving if you turn on cruise control?

But according to the Copernican Heresy, the Earth is accelerating around the Sun. Since we obviously don't feel such an acceleration, the Copernican Heresy must be wrong, right?

Edit:

Sisyphus wrote:“As someone who has a very string background in math and physics I am completely stupefied.”

That tends to be an unfortunate side effect of studying these phony sciences too extensively.

This has got to be satire. Nobody in his right mind would call mathematics a "phony science".

R. U. Serious · Post by **R. U. Serious** » 2007-05-29 08:05am

I am amazed that there are people who are unsure whether this is satire. There's a lot of clues in the text that this is indeed the case. And there's been plenty of "personas" on the web in blogs and wherever else, that use satire to ridicule the right wing, so this isn't even that innovative. And yeah, of course the author is not going to admit to it being stire in the comments -just like a Colbert won't talk out of character on his own show.

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2007-05-29 10:08am

Surlethe wrote:
Sisyphus wrote:“As someone who has a very string background in math and physics I am completely stupefied.”

That tends to be an unfortunate side effect of studying these phony sciences too extensively.
This has got to be satire. Nobody in his right mind would call mathematics a "phony science".

Doesn't the bible say that pi is 3? Ergo: mathematics is false

kheegster · Post by **kheegster** » 2007-05-29 02:49pm

It's so difficult to tell if it's satire or not, simply because the far-right fundies have gone way beyond the point of self-parody. Compare the OP with the famous Intelligent Falling article in The Onion.

Their arguments are virtually indistinguishable.

Kuroneko · Post by **Kuroneko** » 2007-05-29 05:31pm

Surlethe wrote:But according to the Copernican Heresy, the Earth is accelerating around the Sun. Since we obviously don't feel such an acceleration, the Copernican Heresy must be wrong, right?

According to Newton, yes; according to Einstein, no, since the Earth is inertial. Come to think of it, that does look like a mighty suspicious cover-up...

General Trelane (Retired) · Post by **General Trelane (Retired)** » 2007-05-29 07:38pm

. . .the evidence for speed-of-light retardation. . .

Well, at least he got that part right. His blog got retarded at light speed alright.

I too wondered if he was satirizing, but it's just too similar to what real-life fundies say.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2007-05-29 07:44pm

Kuroneko wrote:According to Newton, yes; according to Einstein, no, since the Earth is inertial. Come to think of it, that does look like a mighty suspicious cover-up...

Well, we see that science is perfectly fallible; who are you to take the self-contradictory statements of two of the greatest prophets of science over the consistent Word of God?

... wait, you say that according to Einstein a frame set on the Earth's surface is actually non-inertial? Next, you'll be saying that the surface of the Earth is open and compact, in direct contradiction to scriptural revelation!

Setesh · Post by **Setesh** » 2007-05-30 12:40am

kheegster wrote:It's so difficult to tell if it's satire or not, simply because the far-right fundies have gone way beyond the point of self-parody. Compare the OP with the famous Intelligent Falling article in The Onion.

Their arguments are virtually indistinguishable.

Didn't Colbert and Stewert say this about neo-cons at one point, IIRC something they put out as an over the top joke was actually put forth by some GOP hardliners as serious.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2007-05-30 12:59am

Surlethe wrote:But according to the Copernican Heresy, the Earth is accelerating around the Sun. Since we obviously don't feel such an acceleration, the Copernican Heresy must be wrong, right?

Oh. My. God. My entire education in the field of physics has just been blown away. It's all a giant conspiracy!