Stop me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that, uh, you can't teleport information in this way.Scientists have set a new record in sending information through thin air using the revolutionary technology of quantum teleportation - although Mr Spock may have to wait a little longer for a Scotty to beam him up with it.
A team of physicists has teleported data over a distance of 89 miles from the Canary Island of La Palma to the neighbouring island of Tenerife, which is 10 times further than the previous attempt at teleportation through free space.
The scientists did it by exploiting the "spooky" and virtually unfathomable field of quantum entanglement - when the state of matter rather than matter itself is sent from one place to another. Tiny packets or particles of light, photons, were used to teleport information between telescopes on the two islands. The photons did it by quantum entanglement and scientists hope it will form the basis of a way of sending encrypted data.
The teleporters used in Star Trek are said to have been based on the idea of quantum entanglement and the latest study demonstrates that elements of the phenomenon could have a practical use in the real world.
However, quantum entanglement has so far been carried out only on the simplest forms of matter and scientists believe that a fundamentally new approach will be needed if it can ever be used for teleporting people or even non-living objects.
Robert Ursin of the University of Vienna said the latest experiment in quantum entanglement shows its potential as a means of communicating sensitive information via satellites using quantum cryptography, that could effectively deploy an uncrackable security code.
"We really wanted to show that this can be done in the real world and our dream is to go into space and try it there. This was a feasibility study funded by the European Space Agency," Dr Ursin said yesterday. "In principle, such experiments may in future be used for teleporting information between places, but our system is not capable of transporting matter," he said.
"We think Star Trek is really very good science fiction but I'm afraid teleporting people is not possible with current technology. But we could use some scheme to teleport information."
Albert Einstein described quantum entanglement as "spooky action at a distance" and it relies on the fact that two photons can be created in such a way that they behave as a single object, even if they are separated by large distances. In behaving in this way they are acting as a teleportation machine because any changes to one causes similar changes to the other. The way this is done is via a third photon, which is teleported from the photon in the transmitting station to the photon in the receiver.
In the process, the third photon becomes entangled with the transmitting photon and so carries its quantum information to the receiving photon, which interacts with the third photon in such a way that it becomes identical to it - hence the information is successfully transmitted.
The study is published in the journal Nature Physics.
"Breakthrough brings 'Star Trek' teleport a step closer
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You can't use it to send messages faster than light. You can, however, use it to encrypt a message that moves at c or less.McC wrote:Stop me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that, uh, you can't teleport information in this way.
And why the hell does everyone start harping about fucking Star Trek when quantum teleportation comes up? It's not as though it's like beaming shit up, nor did Roddenberry invent the fucking concept of matter teleportation anyway, for crying out loud.
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Because "Beam me up Scotty" and Star Trek teleportation is the most commonly known concept to even non Trek fans that gives them a somewhat vague idea of what is being talked about.Lord Zentei wrote:And why the hell does everyone start harping about fucking Star Trek when quantum teleportation comes up? It's not as though it's like beaming shit up, nor did Roddenberry invent the fucking concept of matter teleportation anyway, for crying out loud.
So quit your whining about how Trek didn't invent the concept or isn't exactly what the accomplishment is. Anyone of significance already knows that.
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So it's a quantum fax.
This would, if I'm reading this right, be good for information beign transmitted to, say, Mars rovers for near-realtime operation. Unless this 89-mile range limit is absolute, in which case it's a <shrug>.
This would, if I'm reading this right, be good for information beign transmitted to, say, Mars rovers for near-realtime operation. Unless this 89-mile range limit is absolute, in which case it's a <shrug>.
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Oh, look. The little newbie is trying to be a big'un.Bubble Boy wrote:Because "Beam me up Scotty" and Star Trek teleportation is the most commonly known concept to even non Trek fans that gives them a somewhat vague idea of what is being talked about.
So quit your whining about how Trek didn't invent the concept or isn't exactly what the accomplishment is. Anyone of significance already knows that.
Fuck the hell off, you odious little turd.
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And there's a huge fucking difference between TPing some 1s and 0s and doing the equivalent with the mass-energy of even a teacup of water. You'd need TP equipment that can handle energy densities normally found at the center of a detonating nuclear weapon if you're talking about mass/energy conversion.Lord Zentei wrote:And why the hell does everyone start harping about fucking Star Trek when quantum teleportation comes up? It's not as though it's like beaming shit up, nor did Roddenberry invent the fucking concept of matter teleportation anyway, for crying out loud.
SECONDED!Lord Zentei wrote:Oh, look. The little newbie is trying to be a big'un.Bubble Boy wrote:Because "Beam me up Scotty" and Star Trek teleportation is the most commonly known concept to even non Trek fans that gives them a somewhat vague idea of what is being talked about.
So quit your whining about how Trek didn't invent the concept or isn't exactly what the accomplishment is. Anyone of significance already knows that.
Fuck the hell off, you odious little turd.
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Naw, that would be FTL radio: you can't transmit any information faster than c, which means you will always have a few minute lag time to Mars.Coyote wrote:So it's a quantum fax.
This would, if I'm reading this right, be good for information beign transmitted to, say, Mars rovers for near-realtime operation. Unless this 89-mile range limit is absolute, in which case it's a <shrug>.
It would mean that you can send ultrasecure transmissions, though.
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It was a rhetorical fucking question, you idiot.Vaporous wrote:Hey look, the old timer is ignoring a valid point for no reason.
He's right. They always bring it up because its the line everyone knows. Thats why.
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Brushing his post based purely on the fact that he has less posts than you is stupid as hell. Are you somehow somebody because of your post count?
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Bubble Boy has a perfectly good point. The fact that Trek gets credited (mostly by Trekkies) with inventing things it patently didn't is annoying. However Trek undeniably popularised many sci-fi concepts outside of sci-fi fandom (at least in the US), to the point that the most common mental image of teleportation is the Trek transporter. Fanatical Trek-hating denial of that is just stupid and random newbie-phobia makes it even more idiotic.
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This is something that I see happen here all the time when an article is posted mentioning "trek like technology" and it gets real annoying.
I recall a article was posted (watched the show on discovery too) with some military guy speaking talking about how the ultimate goal was a non-lethal weapon that doesn't have any repercussions. Some people here hates trek so much that they started posting flaming post about what an blithering idiot the guy is. These people seem to fail to realize that unlike here, most people don't take it that serious and that it is very likely that Star Trek is the only scifi show that he is familiar with.
I recall a article was posted (watched the show on discovery too) with some military guy speaking talking about how the ultimate goal was a non-lethal weapon that doesn't have any repercussions. Some people here hates trek so much that they started posting flaming post about what an blithering idiot the guy is. These people seem to fail to realize that unlike here, most people don't take it that serious and that it is very likely that Star Trek is the only scifi show that he is familiar with.
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No: I'm not brushing aside his post because of his postcount. I'm brushing his post aside because it is stupid, and my calling him a newbie is a result of that.ArmorPierce wrote:Brushing his post based purely on the fact that he has less posts than you is stupid as hell. Are you somehow somebody because of your post count?
Firstly, it was a rhetorical question I asked, as should have been painfully obvious, and as I have incidentally already pointed out. Second, take a closer look at the actual rhetorical question that was asked:
Emphasis added. So, this point:And why the hell does everyone start harping about fucking Star Trek when quantum teleportation comes up? It's not as though it's like beaming shit up, nor did Roddenberry invent the fucking concept of matter teleportation anyway, for crying out loud.
Is bullshit: my point was precisely that it does not give them a vague idea of what is being talked about. Neither can he complain about agressiveness, since his post set the tone for the exchange.Because "Beam me up Scotty" and Star Trek teleportation is the most commonly known concept to even non Trek fans that gives them a somewhat vague idea of what is being talked about.
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Incidentally, here's a PDF on the experiment.
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You know what annoys me? That Star Trek teleportation is mentioned at all. Those scientists did not teleport matter or at least energy. They teleported information. At best, their invention can be called an ansible. Yet those journalists are yelling "teleportation". Of course, that sounds more spectacular to the average Joe. Who cares it's not accurate.
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You know, its misrepresenting stuff like this that gets trektards thinking their tech is realistic. Call me when they can move mass around like that, not just data.
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Oh for fuck's sake. Can you guys disengage for five seconds and ignore the words "Star Trek"? You're acting like a bunch of inbred children.
On topic, they're doing this at STL propagation? That's definitely not made clear in the article. The impression given (and granted, this is more than likely due to bad, over-hyping journalism) is that it's an instantaneous effect. Of course, across 89 miles, the transmission speed at slightly-less-than-c would seem instantaneous.
On topic, they're doing this at STL propagation? That's definitely not made clear in the article. The impression given (and granted, this is more than likely due to bad, over-hyping journalism) is that it's an instantaneous effect. Of course, across 89 miles, the transmission speed at slightly-less-than-c would seem instantaneous.
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If we're supposed to ignore it, may I suggest not putting them in the fucking thread title?McC wrote:Oh for fuck's sake. Can you guys disengage for five seconds and ignore the words "Star Trek"? You're acting like a bunch of inbred children.
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Do you see the quotes around the thread title? It's the damn title of the article. Write the journalist a scathing e-mail if you don't like it, but quit derailing the thread.Darth Servo wrote:If we're supposed to ignore it, may I suggest not putting them in the fucking thread title?
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I thought quantum physics like this particular example meant distance wasn't a factor? I was under the impression one of the key attractions for this type of research was that it could provide instantaneous communications not limited by distance. Like someone else mentioned previously, possibilities like real time control over a Mars rover and such.McC wrote:On topic, they're doing this at STL propagation? That's definitely not made clear in the article. The impression given (and granted, this is more than likely due to bad, over-hyping journalism) is that it's an instantaneous effect. Of course, across 89 miles, the transmission speed at slightly-less-than-c would seem instantaneous.
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Right, that's what I was gathering the implication to be. Problem is, something like that still violates relativity (or can, anyway) as far as I understand it (which isn't very far, admittedly).Bubble Boy wrote:I thought quantum physics like this particular example meant distance wasn't a factor? I was under the impression one of the key attractions for this type of research was that it could provide instantaneous communications not limited by distance. Like someone else mentioned previously, possibilities like real time control over a Mars rover and such.
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