[40k] Imperial Guard vehicle sizes

RazorOutlaw · Post by **RazorOutlaw** » 2007-06-02 07:57pm

I know, another 40k thread. I had read in an earlier thread about a scene from one of the books about the Sabbat Crusade where Guard Basilisk's attracted a lightining bolt and were subsequently blown up. The scene also mentioned how a treeline went up in flames.

Now in my mind I'm imagining these gigantic vehicles who's barrels poke out above the canopy of the jungle if they're going to attract a bolt. I figure they've got to be close to a story or two in height just for the chassis, with the barrel making up the rest of the height. Yet looking at modern self-propelled artillery pieces, the chassis doesn't look higher than ten feet or less.

I really don't think Dawn of War would qualify as an accurate representation of size. The look certainly. Wikipedia didn't yield any information and not having the Codex, I figure it's information is fairly accurate. Does anybody have any ideas?

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2007-06-02 08:30pm

It's about the size of a modern tank, if you want the dimensions, then find a copy of the Imperial Armour books from Forgeworld.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2007-06-02 09:22pm

As mentioned, it's not much different in size than any normal real-life vehicle. Guard armor is heavily inspired by WWII vehicles and is in many respects nearly identical, so just look at any WWII SPG.

And for the record, DoW's scale is way out of whack.

RazorOutlaw · Post by **RazorOutlaw** » 2007-06-02 09:26pm

Well then my guess was close. Ten feet seems to be correct not counting the barrel extended towards the sky.

andrewgpaul · Post by **andrewgpaul** » 2007-06-03 06:36am

From Imperial Armour vols 1, 2:

Leman Russ: hull 7.08m long
Baneblade: hull 13.5m long
Chimera: hull 6.60m long*

Despite the actual miniature being 120mm long compared to the Leman Russ being 116mm long. Maybe the length includes the hull lascannon, or maybe Forgeworld fucked up again.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2007-06-03 09:40am

That's it? 13 meters? That's kinda small for a giant wank tank.

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2007-06-03 11:40am

Shroom Man 777 wrote:That's it? 13 meters? That's kinda small for a giant wank tank.

Baneblade's are the high end of mass produced, normal tanks.
Super tanks are a separate "Class"

Lost Soal · Post by **Lost Soal** » 2007-06-03 11:57am

DEATH wrote:
Shroom Man 777 wrote:That's it? 13 meters? That's kinda small for a giant wank tank.
Baneblade's are the high end of mass produced, normal tanks.
Super tanks are a separate "Class"

No their not, Baneblades are a Super Heavy Tank and can only be properly produced at a few forgerworlds, although some others will make their own inferior copies.

They are probably the most mass produced of the super heavies by virtue of being all 'all rounder' in design while others are more specialised towards anti-titan or infantry work.

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2007-06-04 03:20am

Baneblades may be called "superheavies", but they are downright tiny next to an Ordinatus or an Imperial command vehicle. They also show up in far greater numbers.

Now, as for what you consider wank... Keep in mind that the humble Leman Russ can fire a shell equivalent to a modern battleship cannon's. And according to the codex, its battle cannon is considered to be less effective against (Imperial or Chaos) armor than its lascannon.
A superheavy tank is meant to take on other armor or even Titans while withstanding the kind of punishment that would kill Leman Russes.
So we're already knee-deep in "wank", although this actually seems to be consistent with the materials technology that the Imperium demonstrates in its ships, hives, and space fortifications.

It's the ordinatuses (?) who are the giant wank tanks. They blow up mountains.

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2007-06-04 10:58am

Lost Soal wrote:
DEATH wrote:
Shroom Man 777 wrote:That's it? 13 meters? That's kinda small for a giant wank tank.
Baneblade's are the high end of mass produced, normal tanks.
Super tanks are a separate "Class"
No their not, Baneblades are a Super Heavy Tank and can only be properly produced at a few forgerworlds, although some others will make their own inferior copies.

They are probably the most mass produced of the super heavies by virtue of being all 'all rounder' in design while others are more specialised towards anti-titan or infantry work.

A new intermediate design has been produced as well by the Lucius forgeworld, and presumably the chassis isn't a unique custom build one, because the Imperium just doesn't mass produce that sort of thing, and the Macharius was meant to be a "Baby'Blade"

I wish they hadn't nixed the Hellion missile racks for superheavies, they were a cool, if slightly dangerous idea.

andrewgpaul · Post by **andrewgpaul** » 2007-06-04 12:46pm

They haven't 'nixed' the idea; they just haven't made a model for that one. The Stormblade in IA1 is a different pattern to the old 2nd edition Space Marine-era vehicle.

The Baneblade is about 2x the length and 2x the width of a Leman Russ tank, and substantially taller. They made a remote control 1/6-scale one for Gamesday last year; it barely (with about an inch either side) fitted into a Ford Transit van. There's videos on the internet somewhere, take a look.

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2007-06-04 02:43pm

andrewgpaul wrote:They haven't 'nixed' the idea; they just haven't made a model for that one. The Stormblade in IA1 is a different pattern to the old 2nd edition Space Marine-era vehicle.

The Baneblade is about 2x the length and 2x the width of a Leman Russ tank, and substantially taller. They made a remote control 1/6-scale one for Gamesday last year; it barely (with about an inch either side) fitted into a Ford Transit van. There's videos on the internet somewhere, take a look.

No mate, the " Imperium/Ad-mech" have apparently nixed the idea

Epic Armageddon states that Hellion missile racks were withdrawn, along with the big arse heavy missile that came with them because the missiles tended to all go off at once if the tank took a hit

Lost Soal · Post by **Lost Soal** » 2007-06-04 03:05pm

white_rabbit wrote:
andrewgpaul wrote:They haven't 'nixed' the idea; they just haven't made a model for that one. The Stormblade in IA1 is a different pattern to the old 2nd edition Space Marine-era vehicle.

The Baneblade is about 2x the length and 2x the width of a Leman Russ tank, and substantially taller. They made a remote control 1/6-scale one for Gamesday last year; it barely (with about an inch either side) fitted into a Ford Transit van. There's videos on the internet somewhere, take a look.
No mate, the " Imperium/Ad-mech" have apparently nixed the idea

Epic Armageddon states that Hellion missile racks were withdrawn, along with the big arse heavy missile that came with them because the missiles tended to all go off at once if the tank took a hit

So did the Terminator Cyclone Missle Launcher at one point.

andrewgpaul · Post by **andrewgpaul** » 2007-06-04 03:09pm

Aye, right enough. I forgot.

Meh, my epic Armoured force still fields 3 of them. No half-mechanical heretics are going to take them away.

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2007-06-04 03:11pm

Lost Soal wrote:
white_rabbit wrote:
andrewgpaul wrote:They haven't 'nixed' the idea; they just haven't made a model for that one. The Stormblade in IA1 is a different pattern to the old 2nd edition Space Marine-era vehicle.

The Baneblade is about 2x the length and 2x the width of a Leman Russ tank, and substantially taller. They made a remote control 1/6-scale one for Gamesday last year; it barely (with about an inch either side) fitted into a Ford Transit van. There's videos on the internet somewhere, take a look.
No mate, the " Imperium/Ad-mech" have apparently nixed the idea

Epic Armageddon states that Hellion missile racks were withdrawn, along with the big arse heavy missile that came with them because the missiles tended to all go off at once if the tank took a hit
So did the Terminator Cyclone Missle Launcher at one point.

Yeah, but the Terminator cyclone missile launcher wasn't likely to take out the nearest Titan/Hive City block if it accidentally went off

Lost Soal · Post by **Lost Soal** » 2007-06-04 03:17pm

Pah, a city block can be replaced. Those multiple suits of Terminator armour which get obliterated when the missles detonate can't.

Cykeisme · Post by **Cykeisme** » 2007-06-04 03:18pm

Brother-Captain Gaius wrote:And for the record, DoW's scale is way out of whack.

The vehicles are all too small, are they?

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2007-06-04 04:02pm

Cykeisme wrote:The vehicles are all too small, are they?

Extremely undersized, yes.

fusion · Post by **fusion** » 2007-06-04 11:26pm

I have a question: does anyone have a pic to either a Imperial command vehicle or an Ordinatus? My Google-fu is weak.

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2007-06-05 12:19am

fusion wrote:I have a question: does anyone have a pic to either a Imperial command vehicle or an Ordinatus? My Google-fu is weak.

Here is a Capitol Imperialis. There's a much better description of one in His Last Command, but at least this is a good picture.

This picture shows an imperial Leviathon. Not quite as big, but still impressive.

I can't quite find a pic of an ordinatus, but one is described (extensively...) in Iron Hands.

Lost Soal · Post by **Lost Soal** » 2007-06-05 01:52am

Here you go.
Just scroll down slightly for the other two.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2007-06-05 05:18am

the Ghostmaker incident, when 14 basilisks were wiped out by an Eldar-incited warp storm gone out of control, was actually in a jungle, not a forest. The basilisks in question were in a "dry creek bed" when they wre struck by lightning, so they were technically out in open space.

Neverminding that, Basilisks have some pretty effing long barrels (7-9 meters IIRC) plus the height of the chassis itself (another 3-4 meters)